Topic: Guitar Care for my JBLP

Do I need to have a humidifier in my case?  (Dry air during winter) If so, is one better than another?

Also, should I take it to the guitar shop for adjustments?  Someone said the neck was slightly warped, someone said the strings set too high, someone said it needs new strings, etc.....I don't know anything about any of it and I am willing to do whatever is needed, BUT I also don't want my guitar messed up either.

Any ideas, suggestions, and or thoughts appreciated.

                   thanks,  Patty

"I'm not nice to any guitar!"      lol
                 Joe Bonamassa 05-03-12

JBLP CHILD #184

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Hi Patty,

sometimes there are too many "someones" who think they know all.
If you like to play your guitar but you don't like to bother with the technical aspects
then I only can advice you to bring your guitar to a thrustful guitar shop and tell them
to give it a proper setup (fresh string and a string height adjustment to YOUR preference) and
play the axe! smile

All the best
Alex

...it's a musical journey
www.u2-experience.de

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I agree with Alex.  A "proper" setup is a subjective thing.  If you're not sure how to do it yourself then a trustworthy music store can help you.  It's a fairly easy operation but you could do damage if not done correctly.

I like my necks fairly straight (no bow) and a low action so I measure the strings at 1/16" at the twelth fret and then adjust the truss rod so that there's no buzz or fret noise.  All my guitars are setup exactly the same except for my Avion AV-4 which is for slide work.  There the action is set fairly high.

Good luck, Patty.

4 (edited by Guitgator 2008-12-01 13:48:35)

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Heck...just have a guitar tech (or any competent player) check it out and make sure the truss rod is set properly (I seriously doubt it's "warped" as one person put it....they may be seeing the natural relief in the middle of the neck which is GOOD) being it's a custom-shop guitar from Gibson, those folks tend to set things up before they stuff the guitar in a box.......put some light (.10 or .11 first string) set of strings on it and by all means hang it on a wall hangar and be proud of it....even if you don't play.  Stay away from guitar polishes with carnuba wax in them since they tend to build up over time.

what's the point of keeping it in a case?

"why isn't the number "11" pronounced "onety one"???....S. Wright.

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Hi Patty. I don't believe for one second that neck has any warp to it whatsoever.
As stratovari says, "sometimes there are too many "someones" who think they know all."
and sometimes they don't have your best interests at heart.
That's a very high quality instrument and I'd take it to a reputable shop for a proper setup.
It's not expensive and in some cases you may even be able to get the tech to allow you to hang around so you can see what he's doing and do it yourself next time.
I just wouldn't mess around with the neck relief if you're not experienced. You don't want to screw up the truss rod or the neck. You can learn to do everything else yourself, setting up the action(string height), string changes, etc..
Electric guitars aren't nearly as reactive to humidity changes as acoustics are so if your house is humidified for the winter you shouldn't have a problem.
I don't think it would hurt to put a proper guitar humidifier in the case's small storage compartment but don't put it anywhere on the guitar itself. Too much humidity can affect the electronics and if it wets the finish it could stain it or worse.
That's a great guitar and if you're still not sure I'm sure the tech that sets it up for you can properly advise you on how to keep it in good shape over the winter.

Re: Guitar Care for my JBLP

pattyluvsjoe wrote:

Do I need to have a humidifier in my case?  (Dry air during winter) If so, is one better than another?

Also, should I take it to the guitar shop for adjustments?  Someone said the neck was slightly warped, someone said the strings set too high, someone said it needs new strings, etc.....I don't know anything about any of it and I am willing to do whatever is needed, BUT I also don't want my guitar messed up either.

Any ideas, suggestions, and or thoughts appreciated.

                   thanks,  Patty

The rule of thumb is if you are comfortable, then so is your guitar. If you keep your home at a relative humidity of 60 to 65% your guitar (and furniture) will do just fine.

Not sure who this "someone" is thats telling you all this. Are you using the guitar? Did you start taking lessons? If your not taking lessons and not playing it don't worry about it. If you do use the guitar take it to a reputable guitar shop and have the adjustments made.

It's best to keep the guitar in it's case when your not using it.

Don't worry. Be happy! Bet that "someone" is just a wee bit jealous!

Stay Safe
me

7 (edited by JohnTB 2008-12-02 04:42:55)

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If you're playing the guitar Patty treat it like you would a bicycle... TLC keeps everything in good shape uno? Oil the neck etc etc

I think the best thing for you to do is keep plucking away and have fun thats what a guitar like that commands of you smile

I personally change strings when im giggging and playing alot (which is rare atm) every 2 weeks, right now I havent changed the strings on my main guitar for 6 month and there still fine to play on.

As for humidifiers I've never used one and tbh I dont know anybody who has whom I could ask... I think spider is 100% correct if youre comfortable then youre guitar will be.

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Here are some top tips for caring for your axe

1.    Do not let children near it. There is nothing better that a 3 year old likes, than the sound of an axe through a Marshall falling ,that is why they do it again and again and again and again (breaks down sobbing uncontrollably )


     
2.    Do not let some one show you their “The Who” or “Jimmy Hendrix” impression. This will invariably lead to your axe being set on fire or sticking through the middle of your amp. Both affect  playability.


3.    Do not let Joe Bonamassa play your axe!!!!!  If you do you will be left thinking why do I have this and will probably say “you may as well keep it Joe” You will regret this latter.  Instead just say “Joe I love you dearly but go and play your own”

     
4.    Wood floats, a guitar is made of wood but this dose not mean you can float your axe. My pillow has feathers but it can’t fly


      5.  If you are having a party make sure your axe is tucked away safe. Under the influence of drink people who have never picked up a guitar think they are an expert. They will play anything to hand Brooms, the cat or just plain air. If they see your axe they will think “that will do for me “ next thing there is a horrible  crash half way through Rainbows “since you’ve been gone “ and  some one will say “good job it wasn’t something  valuable like the TV



Hope this helps and you and said axe have a long and happy life together

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Stevie Boy wrote:

Here are some top tips for caring for your axe

1.    Do not let children near it. There is nothing better that a 3 year old likes, than the sound of an axe through a Marshall falling ,that is why they do it again and again and again and again (breaks down sobbing uncontrollably )


     
2.    Do not let some one show you their “The Who” or “Jimmy Hendrix” impression. This will invariably lead to your axe being set on fire or sticking through the middle of your amp. Both affect  playability.


3.    Do not let Joe Bonamassa play your axe!!!!!  If you do you will be left thinking why do I have this and will probably say “you may as well keep it Joe” You will regret this latter.  Instead just say “Joe I love you dearly but go and play your own”

     
4.    Wood floats, a guitar is made of wood but this dose not mean you can float your axe. My pillow has feathers but it can’t fly


      5.  If you are having a party make sure your axe is tucked away safe. Under the influence of drink people who have never picked up a guitar think they are an expert. They will play anything to hand Brooms, the cat or just plain air. If they see your axe they will think “that will do for me “ next thing there is a horrible  crash half way through Rainbows “since you’ve been gone “ and  some one will say “good job it wasn’t something  valuable like the TV



Hope this helps and you and said axe have a long and happy life together

Stevie...I totally agree and this has to be some of the funniest but best advise to give someone.  I particularly like #3, that got a belly laugh out of me.....

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Stevie Boy wrote:

Here are some top tips for caring for your axe

1.    Do not let children near it. There is nothing better that a 3 year old likes, than the sound of an axe through a Marshall falling ,that is why they do it again and again and again and again (breaks down sobbing uncontrollably )


     
2.    Do not let some one show you their “The Who” or “Jimmy Hendrix” impression. This will invariably lead to your axe being set on fire or sticking through the middle of your amp. Both affect  playability.


3.    Do not let Joe Bonamassa play your axe!!!!!  If you do you will be left thinking why do I have this and will probably say “you may as well keep it Joe” You will regret this latter.  Instead just say “Joe I love you dearly but go and play your own”

     
4.    Wood floats, a guitar is made of wood but this dose not mean you can float your axe. My pillow has feathers but it can’t fly


      5.  If you are having a party make sure your axe is tucked away safe. Under the influence of drink people who have never picked up a guitar think they are an expert. They will play anything to hand Brooms, the cat or just plain air. If they see your axe they will think “that will do for me “ next thing there is a horrible  crash half way through Rainbows “since you’ve been gone “ and  some one will say “good job it wasn’t something  valuable like the TV



Hope this helps and you and said axe have a long and happy life together

LOL xD!!!! You are the men!!! xD

JB jr

"but if heartaches were nickels...I'd be the richest fool alive"

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lol  lol  lol  lol  lol  lol  lol  Can't see thru the tears because Stevie Boy....  lol  lol  lol  lol  has offered such sound advice..... lol lol  lol  lol  #3........ lol  lol  lol.....  "Joe, I love you dearly.... lol  lol  lol  lol   ...but go play your own"  lol  lol  lol  What a classic line, I will never forget your response  wink


I really appreciate all of you guys advice.  My "Joe" does come out of the case everyday to be played and does return to the case for rest....I wouldn't ever leave it lying out for fear now of one of Stevie Boy's possible dilemna's..... EXCEPTION TO #3  You all know good & well that I WOULD let Joe play it BUT then I would say, "Joe I love you dearly, but go play your own!"  lol  lol  lol  lol  lol  lol  lol  lol

                                                                                          pattyluvsjoe wink

"I'm not nice to any guitar!"      lol
                 Joe Bonamassa 05-03-12

JBLP CHILD #184

Re: Guitar Care for my JBLP

The only thing I would add is to keep it somewhere that the temperature and humidity will remain fairly constant. This means don't stick it next to a radiator or in the airing cupboard (not that you would I'm sure smile ).

Another thing is that if you're putting it away for a few months I'd be tempted to loosen the strings a little too, just as you would if you were transporting it somewhere.

I've ignored most of my own advice at home though and hung my electric guitars on the wall in the living room. They look too good to be shut away in the case. My acoustic lives in a case with a humidifier though.

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Not trying to step on anyone's toes here, but whether it's going to be stored without playing it or not( I have a feeling you'll be playing it Patty smile ) it's not a good idea to take the tension off the neck. Guitar necks are designed to keep tension on them once they're strung up and the truss rods are properly set. Taking the tension off for any length of time can cause problems, especially if there are temp. changes. If your guitar is tuned to 440 and you're going to ship it, store it or even keep it in a cold trunk for awhile keep it at 440 to keep the neck stable.
"If" on the other hand you decide to loosen up the strings for any length of time(days or weeks) take the tension off the neck by loosening the truss rod so it doesn't form a permanent backbow or a warp.
Good quality electric guitars can take quite a bit in the way of temp and humidity changes and may go out of tune over time if not played but it's important to keep the tension on the neck. If you're not going to play it for a number of weeks just take it out every week or so and make sure it's in tune before returning it to it's case or hanging it back on the wall.

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Re: Guitar Care for my JBLP

Slidewinder wrote:

Not trying to step on anyone's toes here, but whether it's going to be stored without playing it or not( I have a feeling you'll be playing it Patty smile ) it's not a good idea to take the tension off the neck. Guitar necks are designed to keep tension on them once they're strung up and the truss rods are properly set. Taking the tension off for any length of time can cause problems, especially if there are temp. changes. If your guitar is tuned to 440 and you're going to ship it, store it or even keep it in a cold trunk for awhile keep it at 440 to keep the neck stable.
"If" on the other hand you decide to loosen up the strings for any length of time(days or weeks) take the tension off the neck by loosening the truss rod so it doesn't form a permanent backbow or a warp.
Good quality electric guitars can take quite a bit in the way of temp and humidity changes and may go out of tune over time if not played but it's important to keep the tension on the neck. If you're not going to play it for a number of weeks just take it out every week or so and make sure it's in tune before returning it to it's case or hanging it back on the wall.

Thanks for the info, I've wondered about this subject.
I guess it really doesn't make sense to loosen the strings when you think about it. Why would the guitar/neck react differently because it's not being played vs. played frequently?

I have to go tune up my classical guitar now!

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Hi Ken. It's not so much whether it's being played or not. It's more that wood, being organic, can shift over time when exposed to everyday stress, temperatures and humidity. The tension going in one direction from the strings and the other from the truss rod keeps the neck stable and although I've seen cases of warping on a properly maintained neck it's pretty rare. Both tensions tend keep an even balance along the neck. I'm sure everyone who plays and has kept their guitars either hung up or in the case has gone to pick up their properly tuned guitar days or weeks later and found it out of tune. That's just shifting because of the wood itself reacting to surrounding temp and humidity changes, and even strings, being metal will expand and contract slightly adding to the mix but the tension still remains relatively stable.
I've heard all kinds of theory's as to why a neck warps but I think it's just the inherant grain patterns settling in the wood, whether in the fretboard or back. Necks that I've seen "heat pressed" tend to rewarp over time about 50% of the time and personally I think shaving is a better treatment for warping, assuming the warp isn't too prominent. I've never seen a shaved neck rewarp.
When I was first learning yeeaarrs ago I worked in a shop along side a luthier who also built violins and that's another whole story in itself but he explained his theories about inherant wood properties in guitar necks and although I can't say I believed everything I heard at the time he's been proven right time and time again.
Today I'm an electro-mechanical tech(electronically based equip. with lots of moving parts) which is why I fix amps and anything else I can get my hands on but I still love working on guitars and still build and repair electrics in my spare time.
Sorry about the long rambling post but I still tend to get carried away when talking about guitars. I'll shutup now.

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Some interesting thoughts on this topic. I think it's best to leave it strung and in tune. De tuning for long periods without releasing tension in the truss rod is sure to allow the neck to take a backward set. Taking the truss rod tension off will allow the wood to move anyway it want to. So in my thinking leaving it strung with tension in the rod is a bit like keeping a tennis racket in a press.  But I'd consider restringing at least every 6 months. Continually tuning up to 440 will eventually harden the strings and put more tension in them imho.

Re guitar hangers - be careful - The JB and for that fact most Gibsons are finished in Cellulose lacquer. Cellulose continues to dry/shrink/harden for years after painting ultimately leading to the cracked finish on aged guitars. But I recently saw a 2004 57 RI Goldtop that had been hanging in the shop for a long time. The black foam on the hanger had reacted with the finish and taken the finish away completely on both side of the headstock. I've also seen the same on the body with guitar stands. Apparently this is far more likely to happen in the first couple of years while the finish is still relatively soft. One solution might be to put some material like the case lining over the foam. Personally I just hang Fenders (new ones with synthetic finish) on the wall. Keeping the guitar cased is a great buffer against rapid temperature and humidity changes anyway.

The main thing is to enjoy that guitar!!!!

Sorry for long answer!!

Pete

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I usually say if YOURE comfortable, then your guitar is comfortable. For me that goes along with temperature and humidity.

- Nic from Detroit... posting on JB's Forum since 6-2-2006
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Judging by the responses on here I think I will change my ways and keep the strings tuned in the future. Thanks for the tip!  smile