Topic: Talking about Dylan

This morning, ironing my shirts, I was listening to Dylan´s new album "Tell Tale Signs". It´s brilliant, even when it "only" consists of unreleased left-overs, alternate versions and life performances. Thinking if it is musically correct to talk about His Bobness in this forum I used "Search" and saw that Eva was trying to start a discussion about the "I´m not there" movie (with no reactions) and Angela reporting about a concert which left her "tangled up in blue" (with hardly any reactions).

As I´m about the same age, Dylan was an important part of my life´s soundtrack right from his beginnings. I lost him for some time when he became desperately Christian, which might have been okay for him personally but not for his music. Looking at his last CDs - Love and Theft, Time Out Of Mind, Modern Time -they were all top. And he gives us - maybe together with guys like Neil Young or Robert Plant - a model for getting older in dignity, which is found quite often in the blues scene, but not in Rock and Pop in general. Meaning that he doesn´t rest on his laurels (I hope it´s correct English), but stays mentally fresh and creative, refusing -as so many do- to play bad copies of his early hits.

In short: the new album is worth listening to.
Günter

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Love "Shelter from the Storm" and "Tangled Up in Blue" that was already mentioned.

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Evas Dad

I went and saw Bob Dylan last year, maybe the year before, in the UK.

I have the male version of your Eva - a son who is a music nut, has a vast collection of CDs and goes to concerts more frequently than he goes to university! Like me,he loves the legacy Sixties Dylan stuff and talked me into going to see Bobby D.

On my plastic, of course.

What a weird concert - lots of 'Love And Theft' tracks, super tight band who were superb and BD really struggling with the singing, in my opinion.It sounded like he was losing his voice.

The most disappointing thing was that Dylan didn't say a word to the audience, played his set and left.He seemed to be just going through the motions - if that is normal for him , he should not bother. I can't believe he needs the £30 ticket price more than me. I felt ripped off.Perhaps it was a bad night, but I read a few other poor reviews from that tour.

This was not the Bob Dylan we knew at the heart of a cultural revolution, this was the Dylan with the low golf handicap.

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Hey Eva's Dad.  In yet another of the vast universe of co linky dances (aka cowinkydinks to some) I happen to be listening to Blood On the Tracks as I first read and now type in response to your post.  A fantastic album.  Bob Dylan never lost me in his "Christian" outing phase.  In fact he drew me completely in and garnered my greatest respect to do what HE thought he must (He always HAD, but I had never seen him in the light the older folks & kids had, i.e. saying what must be said, period).  Damn the critics and arm chair managers.  He brought me to the realization that I had ALWAYS taken Bob Dylan for granted.  Something I Never have done since.  Only one word sums him up beginning to end-amazing & fascinating (so I can't count).  AHHHHH here comes Lily, Rosemary, & the Jack of Hearts....still gets my juices flowing and gets the goosebumps tingling at some point.

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Rocket wrote:

Blood On the Tracks
Rocket

Yes, you are right, it´s a fantastic album and together with Blonde on Blonde and Slow Train Coming one of my favourites of earlier times.
Günter

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crossroads wrote:

The most disappointing thing was that Dylan didn't say a word to the audience, played his set and left.

It is the same with Van Morrison, another grumpy old man. But I have decided not to take it personal. Strangely enough I think that both can´t live without their audiences and both hate this fact. So we should have mercy. As to the "singing" - we all know that Dylan´s expressions are not always what you normally call "singing", in special in live performances. But in his last albums he is "singing" rather well.
Günter

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Hello Eva's Dad, Gunter!!  The answer my friend is blowing in the wind...:)

I had to dig out my old post, I saw Dylan almost 2 years ago as part of my 5oth birthday celebration!   Overall, I'm glad I saw Dylan, what I regret is that I never saw him back in the day.  Similar to Crossroads, for a man that is such an incredible poet, I was very surprised that he had no interaction with the audience.  And he mumbles a little and is unclear sometimes.  In addition, I was disappointed I didn't get to hear him play guitar.

Shortly after that concert, there was a thread on the Clapton site and my friend derekiseric, who is very witty and a man of few words, had mentioned he had seen Dylan several times.  In a live performance, you just never know...he's seen some GREAT shows and some where Bob mumbled most of the show.  Then a little while later I read an interview in Rolling Stone from Ringo Starr.  He spoke about seeing Bob in a performance and going backstage during intermission.  Dylan said to Ringo, "Is there any song you want me to play?" and Ringo mentioned one and everyone except Ringo started laughing, Dylan had already played it!!! (the mumbling factor again)  I have to tell you, I laughed so hard when I read that. Thinking about some of the interviews I've heard of Dylan, sometimes he is a little antagonistic.  Being interviewed isn't his favorite thing to begin with, so my sense is he is a deep thinking eccentric artist, which is one of the reasons he is capable of such incredible lyrics and he pours his emotions into the music. Some artists just aren't as comfortable with the audience.  We all have to accept the good with the bad sometimes... big_smile  And I think you're right about Van also, some of the same factors apply.

With all that being said, very few artists come close to Dylan when it comes to songwriting, he is superb!!!  And Blood On The Tracks and Blonde On Blonde are my 2 favorites, especially powerful lyrics.  At your advice, I will check out his last album. smile

And bringing this all back to Joe, back in April Joe featured Dylan songs on the Cup of Joe.

Theme:  The Blues Plays Bob Dylan

1.  Johnny Winter ~ Highway 61 Revisited

2.  Leon Russell ~ It Takes Alot To Laugh, It Takes A Train To Cry

3.  Kenny Wayne Shepherd ~ Everything Is Broken from 10 Days Out, which Joe thinks is just stellar!

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Hi Angela,

interesting post and psychological chracter study. Agree with all except the "mumbling factor". If you don´t get the song Dylan is playing, it´s the "deconstruction factor". Like Joe he seems to hate to repeat himself - I appreciate it very much.

I must confess that I´ve never heard about a thing like "Cup of Joe" - it sounds highly interesting. May I ask for some more information?

Günter

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i love dylan, and think he is one of the perfect songwriters(him, townes van zandt, neil young, tom waits, leonard cohen, nick cave, shane macgowan, john prine, surely others i am unaware of).  i have heard his recent live performances range from bad to worse.  his voice as it is now is intolerable to me.  it was always unique but now he sounds like a bad impersonation of what he once was, and to me it is downright shameful that he doesn't talk in concert.  if youve seen bb king live lately, you know what i mean.  it is not disputable, king is past his musical prime, but he is still great and has stories to beat all and he will tell them.  dylan is past his prime to and should follow bb's lead, in my opinion.  if you have lived the life he has, at this point  your shows should involve some stories.  i would not pay to see him live, as it would be paying to lay my eyes on him, not to enjoy the show.  i personally think if he isn't going to put on a good live show he should stop performing live, but i will admit he has earned the right to pretty much do whatever he wants.

that said, my dad played me blood on the tracks a long time ago, i love it(tangled up and lily rosemary... being two of my fav songs ever), i havent heard even 20% of his material but am sure i have heard more than most people my age.  the guy is a god in music.  to be studied for generations.  possibly the best songwriter ever born.  his legacy is going to last as long as the human race, maybe longer if any other literate life comes after us, i truly believe that.  one of, if not the, most important musicians of the modern era.

so that is about what i can contribute on the discussion.

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Hello Gunter,  (sorry, I don't know how to get the 2 dots on top of the "u" ) wink

My mumbling comments only pertain to live Dylan, I can understand him on recordings.  I forgot to ask you how many times you've seen Dylan perform and when?

The Cup of Joe pertains to Joe's satellite radio DJ spot on Sirius Radio daily, Monday thru Friday at 12:00PM (noon) eastern standard time, 9:00AM pacific time.  He has a theme and plays three songs, its only about 15-20 minutes long, but most enjoyable. Here's the link to conversations about the show.
http://www.jbonamassa.com/forum/viewtop … 97&p=1

Gunter- you may appreciate this story.  My oldest child/son is a 19 year old college student who is studying Physics, he's a brilliant writer and used to write poetry and short stories when he was younger going back to elementary school.  He had a teacher in high school for an honors level creative writing class.  He learned a lot from her, but was often frustrated by her high demands & all her comments scribbled all over his papers.  He didn't understand at the time that she was trying to improve his skill and her goal was to get him to be less wordy and be more like Bob Dylan, who rules when it comes to saying what he wants to say in the least amount of words!! She had only been out of college a few years and when I met her on back to school night I told her how interesting it was that she connected with Dylan, etc.  By coincidence, I had just read an article about Kevin Bacon (when he is not acting) and his brother, about writing songs, who also referenced Dylan exactly how she had...the most powerful lyrics in the least amount of words, its easier said than done.  She wanted a copy of the article. Her teaching style often referenced examples of Dylan's lyrics & his way with words!

Suhl- yep, Dylan = the perfect songwriter.  I would love to know how many times Dylan has been covered?  If we just look at one song...All Along The Watchtower....just that one song in an artist's career speaks volumes!!  Dylan's legacy definitely will be studied for generations!

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Nice story, Angela.
I have seen Dylan live only once in the late sixties-quite a time ago. For me it was a historical event because he was singing in Nürnberg in the remainings of the Reichsparteitag -  the former meeting place of the Nazi idiots. (Maybe you have seen the Riefenstahl movies.) And Bob was standing right at the place where Hitler made his speeches. I experienced it as a kind of exorcism.
Günter

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Hi Gunter,

WOW, what an amazing experience for you to see Dylan in such a place!! It must have felt surreal, just really remarkable and seems fitting for Bob Dylan to deliver such an emotional performance to compliment that type of setting!!!!

About Dylan venues - The venue where we saw Bob is to be torn down in the spring, which really saddens me, since it holds the dearest memories of most of the concerts I ever attended back in the day.  It is still used for smaller concerts and our minor league hockey team. Bigger arenas have been built all around it and it will be replaced with a big shopping site. If you ever saw the Rocky movie, there was a Rocky statue for many years on the steps of this venue...its a long story, the statue was homeless for many years and it has since been moved to the steps of our beautiful Philadelphia Art Museum, which was in the movie. (which makes me sing "I Know Where I Belong" every time I see it or reference it...I'm a singin'...:)) Anyway, I just bought this poster on line for a Christmas present of a historic Cream concert that was held at this venue, the Spectrum.  I could not believe when I read in one of Clapton's book that this particular concert was the best of the Cream's tour, he went on to comment how his guitar solo was perfect, etc. (you know how these perfectionist guitarists are, they are their own worse critics wink )

http://www.allposters.com/-sp/Cream-His … 76884_.htm

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