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eva wrote:

.... 75 Euros to see Eric Clapton in Munich in August ?

I have never seen him play live, so I think it´s about time I go and see him when he´s playing so near my hometown - but 75 Euros is a lot of money for a seat where I probably won´t be able to see too much of Mr.Clapton wink.
That´s nearly the price of 3 Joe shows (front row!) ....

I´m sure someone saw him not too long ago - so I would be thankful for some advice ! smile

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The only way I would pay $116 to see Clapton is if he signed my guitar. I doubt that would ever happen. That's why I would never pay to see him. At least Joe is good enough to talk to his fans. We're the reason you're where you're at Clapton. Don't forget that.

56 Reply by Deezer (edited by Deezer 2008-06-03 13:39:17)

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You shouldn't Eva!

The only way to get rid of these absurd prices is not to go anymore. We discussed this about 2 years ago on this forum and as I said then:

I love their music but I'm not their sponsor, how good they may be.
We then talked about The Eagles, same story.

Saw them live 3 times, a few years ago they came back to holland and asked prices from starting 100 euro's. They didn't want to play in stadiums anymore, smaller venues Ahoy 10.000 seats but wanted the same amount of money.
I want more at my job but I don't get it so why they. Just because it's  music or because they became moneymachines!

The band always says the high price is because of the promotor and the promoter says because of the band!!!!!!!!! You're not fooling me.

I can afford it but then I prefer unknown or not so famous bands who make good music.

Saturday I go to the Bluesfestival in Schoeppingen and I see - Stoney Curtis, Walter Trout,
Danny o'Bryant and 3 more bands for 20 Euro.

Even if it's Clapton!
July 4 th I see his Bluesfather John Mayall, who I think had more influence to the blues then Clapton, he wrote more, started earlier, was his teacher, sings better.
Clapton can play very well guitar but for me thats it!

I think they like him more in the USA than in Holland. Last Ahoy show wasn't even sold out, prices to high!

PS. John Mayall costs 30 Euro in a 600 venue!!!!!!!!!!and his guitarplayer Buddy Whittington is as good as Clapton, who can play but makes standard CD's, not more not less!

Andre Wittebroek

But in  your example with the Eagles, you got to see them before. We're talking about people who have never seen this particular legend. Would I pay 100 bucks to see Clapton. You bet your butt I would. And again, this is coming from someone who is clearly not that big of a Clapton fan ("Buddy Whittington is as good as Clapton, who can play but makes standard CD's, not more not less!")

Anyone who questions Clapton's character has to look at what he's doing with his Crossroads Centre, and where all that money from the Crossroads Guitar Festival is going. We have to understand this: can you imagine Joe going out to sign stuff at a show where he just played in front of 20,000 people? He would be there until 4 in the morning. This is why comparing Joe to Clapton is just not a fair comparison. Joe is starting to play bigger areas, but if he got up into the arenas Clapton's playing: A) I would be very proud of him, but B) I guarantee you there will start being some sort of limitation on a meet and greet.

And if the best reason is that it costs too much, then she needs to go.

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Dear Deezer,

I was a Clapton fan in the  Bluesbrakers and Cream time. I still have the first 2 Lp's with the Bluesbrakers and the Cream LP.s
I bought the Lp's just after releasing so I know what i'm talking about.
After that he got addicted to drugs, alcohol etc. very sad for him but his musical time for me stopped then too.
He came back with Ocean Boulevard and I bought it too, because it was Clapton, but it was not my cup of tea anymore, the blues was gone.
Cocaine, After midnight very nice JJ. Cale songs. I had all JJÇale Lp's and then he started to cover them but I still like the JJ. Cale version much much better.

Since then Clapton as a bluesmusician was over for me. I know a lot of people disagree. they might be right, but this is my opinion.
Stoney Curtis, Albert Cummings. Joe Bonamassa etc. give me much more pleasure to listen to than Clapton.
Dynamic music!

I still like and play Clapton but the Clapton in his earlier years.

Sorry, just my opinion.

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The point is....people my age who like this stuff did not have the great opportunity of seeing these greats back in the 60s and 70s. I didn't get to see BB in his prime. Led Zeppelin in their prime. Clapton in his (perceived) prime. I wish I could've been around back then. But I wasn't. I got to do some catching up to do. There are a lot of people that share your opinion, and that's fine and dandy. But in my opinion, you're missing some of his best playing in years. The Crossroads stuff proves that he still has the fire and the licks to be just as potent as he was back in the day. If not better. The thing I've always loved about Clapton is that he follows his muse. This is a guy who has changed his sound so much. You don't change your sound as much as he has to sell records. Everyone knows that to sell records is to put out the same thing everytime, to go on a formula. Clapton's never done that. In fact, sometimes he's done the opposite of what people thought he should've done. People say he sold out, I disagree. He just follows where his muse takes without caring what anyone thinks. This guy I think is just as happy playing in a pub with a group of people as he is playing in front of stadiums. Who would've been in the pubs playing even if he never made it as a musician back in the 50s.

I tend to really like to see musicians cover a wide variety. This is why I like Derek Trucks and Joe Bonamassa. They cover such a wide variety of music. Clapton has done the same. Clapton would've bored me a long time ago if he had stayed the same as he was with Mayall and Cream.

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I paid £65 per ticket to see EC at the RAH last time around and £110 per ticket to see the Eagles at the 02. I'm far from rich but it was money well spent as far as I'm concerned.

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andre wittebroek wrote:

You shouldn't Eva!

The only way to get rid of these absurd prices is not to go anymore. We discussed this about 2 years ago on this forum and as I said then:

I love their music but I'm not their sponsor, how good they may be.
We then talked about The Eagles, same story.

Saw them live 3 times, a few years ago they came back to holland and asked prices from starting 100 euro's. They didn't want to play in stadiums anymore, smaller venues Ahoy 10.000 seats but wanted the same amount of money.
I want more at my job but I don't get it so why they. Just because it's  music or because they became moneymachines!

The band always says the high price is because of the promotor and the promoter says because of the band!!!!!!!!! You're not fooling me.

I can afford it but then I prefer unknown or not so famous bands who make good music.

Saturday I go to the Bluesfestival in Schoeppingen and I see - Stoney Curtis, Walter Trout,
Danny o'Bryant and 3 more bands for 20 Euro.

Even if it's Clapton!
July 4 th I see his Bluesfather John Mayall, who I think had more influence to the blues then Clapton, he wrote more, started earlier, was his teacher, sings better.
Clapton can play very well guitar but for me thats it!

I think they like him more in the USA than in Holland. Last Ahoy show wasn't even sold out, prices to high!

PS. John Mayall costs 30 Euro in a 600 venue!!!!!!!!!!and his guitarplayer Buddy Whittington is as good as Clapton, who can play but makes standard CD's, not more not less!

Andre Wittebroek

Funny you´d mention that, Andre - I had exactly the same discussion with my Dad when I was at home this afternoon.
He says he would go with me, but that he doesn´t want to support those irrationally high ticket prices. He says that there´s a kind of "magical border" of 50 Euros that he would pay for a ticket, but not more in any case.
I also think that the big Stars who have all the money anyway shouldn´t have such high ticket prices - yes, Clapton has the Crossroads Center, but anyway...

But I do agree with Deezer that we want to get the opportunity to see a "legend" play, because we´re both born too late to see so many of the "legends" play - so I would rather pay the prize once and see Clapton than not doing it just as a matter of principle.
I´m not paying these ticket prizes for anyone and not all the time - I payed it for Paul McCartney and didn´t regret it and I think it would be the same with Clapton.

What a discussion! smile

Eva

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I can't remeber the exact prices but the Eagles came through a few years ago $300.00. I didn't go. Not that big of fan. It sold out. Must of been enough people that would.

McCartney came through a couple of years later. $250.00 I paid it. Was worth the price of admission.

Clapton both times I saw him of late under $100.00 I thought it was a bargain.

For whatever reason you might have to not pay the price for any show is always a good enough reason. There is so many factors involved that go into pricing. If the market won't bare it they can't charge it. So Andre is right about that. But individuals will always be the ones that decide.

I would like to boycott ticketmaster service charges that is the real injustice of it all. If I want to go to a show though I have to pay them. The artist has little say because it is the venue or promoter that picks the ticketing service.

The reality of it all is everyone has a tremendous investment in the tours and the ticket prices have to cover the expenses. It is an expensive world we live in. There is a profit motive too. The profits are not quite the windfall that people think they are.

For the promoter for every winner of a show odds are they are going to have a loser. For the artist it is there best chance to profit if they are signed to a major label.

One thing Clapton has going for him is his fan base is older with more disposable income. I bet most of his crowd in the US would attend very few concerts in a year. Maybe just one.

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.......and it appears that the days of break-even tours to promote money earning album sales have been reversed. In todays download market-place an artist's latest release is often available free in a Sunday supplement and as a result it's now the tour that has to be the money spinner. Maybe it's the wonder of the www. world that we live in?

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Maybe if these losers wouldn't download crap illegally and actually pay the artists? I say if they make good music, they should get rich doing it. No problem here with that.

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Yes, people should pay for the music whether by album purchase or legal download, but Clapton has made enough from album sales over the last 40 or so years to not need to rip off his fans with expensive ticket prices.
For that price I'd expect a couple of decent support acts too.

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If the demand is there. Like gas prices, if you don't like it, don't go. Simple supply and demand. Me? I say that it is worth it. But that's just my opinion. This is not a question of whether an artist is rich or not. This is a question of supply and demand.

By the way, jim's previous post is dead on.


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EC had Robert Cray as support when I saw him at RAH and The Eagles did two sets....so they kind of supported themselves smile

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Yes, people should pay for the music whether by album purchase or legal download, but Clapton has made enough from album sales over the last 40 or so years to not need to rip off his fans with expensive ticket prices.
For that price I'd expect a couple of decent support acts too.

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gsj wrote:

EC had Robert Cray as support when I saw him at RAH and The Eagles did two sets....so they kind of supported themselves smile

Greenose wrote:

Yes, people should pay for the music whether by album purchase or legal download, but Clapton has made enough from album sales over the last 40 or so years to not need to rip off his fans with expensive ticket prices.
For that price I'd expect a couple of decent support acts too.

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Something else I thought of. Even without Derek Trucks, you're still paying to see Eric Clapton AND Doyle Bramhall II, one of the most criminally underrated artists of our time. Not to even mention Robert Randolph as the opening act.

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Deezer wrote:

Something else I thought of. Even without Derek Trucks, you're still paying to see Eric Clapton AND Doyle Bramhall II, one of the most criminally underrated artists of our time.

Right again Deezer.  WE certainly got a LOT of bang for our buck - E.C., Robert Cray, Derek Trucks, AND Doyle Bramhall II (hubbahubba) and a slew of other TOP NOTCH band members - TRULY the cream of the crop.  Here's Doyle Eva:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doyle_Bramhall_II   (links to website and myspace page are at the bottom)


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Better yet....

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Deezer wrote:

If the demand is there. Like gas prices, if you don't like it, don't go. Simple supply and demand. Me? I say that it is worth it. But that's just my opinion. This is not a question of whether an artist is rich or not. This is a question of supply and demand.

By the way, jim's previous post is dead on.


"The reality of it all is everyone has a tremendous investment in the tours and the ticket prices have to cover the expenses. It is an expensive world we live in. There is a profit motive too. The profits are not quite the windfall that people think they are." - jim m

Like gas prices?  Oh no, not the same analogy at all.  Unfortunately, gas is how most people have to get to work and make a living.  And it isn't supply and demand that is driving gas prices up.  A concert is not a necessity, it is a pleasure. 

The cost of a concert ticket is part of the equation when it comes to supply and demand.  With Bluesman's help, Eva is going to go to the Eric Clapton concert.  That was very kind of Bluesman and I hope she has an incredible time.  But wouldn't it be better if she didn't even have to ask the question of whether to go because the ticket price is so high and not even for a good seat?  Plus that is the cost for one ticket, what about her friends if they wanted to go?

The Eagles started this mess of high ticket prices.  Believe me, they were not worth it.  I was lucky enough to to see the bands I loved when concert prices were inexpensive.  2 people could go.  I wish it was like that for the kids of today.  At least they have Ozzfest, where they get a whole day of bands.

Garth Brooks was an artist at the top of his popularity who rewarded his fans with low ticket prices.  I will always appreciate that about him. Because he did that, whole families were able to attend his concerts.  And he added all kinds of special effects, he gave you a show that was included in his ticket prices. 

It really is up to the individual to see if it is worth it to them.  For me it's not.  As a whole I see alot better artists and shows for reasonable prices than the higher end prices.  As evidenced by Joe Bonamassa.  He allows all his fans to get a chance to see him.  And see him a number of times. The great thing is we do have choices and I'll tend to chose artists I don't think overcharge me for a ticket.

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