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hey guys and girls. So I've been in the studio with my band lingo recording a cd with john keane (widespread panic, rem, indago girls) and I just thought it was cool that john blends amp just like joe. It sounds amaising.
Peace. Dylan
so who are you? did you post an intro?
nice to meet u
Yeah Nic, I don't get it either. Um welcome...
yea i posted an intro about last week. so i am new to the forum. but nice to meet you guys .im a jb fan and guitar player which seems to be about everyone here. ha. but thanks for the welcomes.
Dylan
well lingo -
I JUST BOUGHT a Line6 Toneport UX2
The Gearbox software connects online for presets....it can copy VanHalen, Metallica, Hendrix, Creme... etc! its so great. Its much like a toy because you can dial up tones you've heard before...and its pretty believable. But aside from that, you can dial up a 58 bassman, a 1990 JCM 800, or any cabinet you can think of....along with some legendary pedals. It sounds great through headphones.
I haven't brought it into garageband yet. But I have high hopes for it. All i need to do now is get a better microphone, since the one I have is very crappy - any suggestions?
SM 58
SM58 for vox take the grille off for guitars n stuff (thats the only dif between the 58 and 57)
All i need to do now is get a better microphone, since the one I have is very crappy - any suggestions?
Basically the SM57 is the industry standard for micing amps and drums (but it can be used for vocals) and the SM58 is the standard for vocals...
I got a Beta 58
I got a Beta 58
Hey how is that? cheaper? well?
Hell no....more money! But I pay trade prices only 
gsj wrote:I got a Beta 58
Hey how is that? cheaper? well?
SM 58
In the words of Orleans' song,..."still the one". The most widely used, durable, great sounding, not exhorbitantly priced (as in "cheap", yes, by price only, but this is world class value) pro dynamic mic, period. That's Shure SM-58, cardioid (means mostly what is right in front & center of the mic gets in, other sounds are attenuated and effectively "stay out"). Versatile and does the job whether in the garage, on the stage, doing live stage recording, or studio. Top that!!!
Get several. Don't graduate to anything else for vocals until you've used one. You can ALWAYS sell one used.
They are great for micing instruments too-drop the midrange -3dB around 5kHz and and slightly boost at 6.3 or/and or 8 khz to accentuate the highs a bit, and greatly boost (+6dB to +10dB) at 12.5kHz and 16kHz & you'll do alright.
Conversely, also it is ok to use an SM-57 for vocals. If you're going to get deep throated or screeechy screamy or metal demon mega dB's going through it, though, use an inline -3db pad (attenuator) or a selectable one. 100 Hz will likely need about a +3dB boost unless you have a very very deep singing voice. These are given assuming a graphic EQ. To tailor with parametric EQ you'd better be an expert !!!
The betas are pricey and mostly about isolation of off-axis sound (super cardioid pattern). Mic placement (always a big part of the sound) can go a long way to make up the differences if you are budget minded.
Rock On & Keep the Faith,
Rocket
"There the same mic the 57 and 58 but with different heads,
"Bruce Bartlett07-29-2000, 20:31
I was a microphone engineer at Shure.
The SM57 and SM58 are essentially the same, except that the SM57 was intended mainly for instruments and the SM58 for vocals. The SM58 has a ball grille that acts as a pop filter. The two mics have the same proximity effect at the same miking distance.
Because of its smaller grille, the SM57 lets you get closer to it for more bass boost. But if you are 2 inches from the diaphragm in either mic, they have the same bass boost.
They have a slightly different response at high frequencies because of the acoustical effects of the different grilles.
Hope this helps..."
I had an argument about this a while back with someone I was playing with.
Used the beta 58a at open mics always seems louder then the rest can't say I noticed anything else but then again noisey pubs arnt the best place to base opinions.
i was talking about vocals....not micing amps.
i'm getting good guitar sounds.
It's impossible to get exactly the same response with different screens...extremely and essentially similar, indeed, but yes the proximity effect is purely a function of the cardioid polar patterns reinforcing the bass freq's and distance which has an accessibility and overtone aspect that will still color things different, of course low frequencies much less so, negligible even. SO, given that an SM-57 lets the mic get closer to the sound source for proximity bass boost, conversely being equidistant AWAY from a sound source would/should presumably back off on the boost to the same degree, but not entirely true... even though internally they have essentially the same element-diaphragm, and windings, and yoke. The physical differences are in the cases and grills, overall weight (mass) and a very slight impedance and sensitivity difference make for differing response also. Hence the opposing normal uses: SM-57, intruments; SM-58, vocals. Peace and good luck!
Rock On Keep the Faith,
Rocket
P.S.-My EQ recommendations for reverse usages more or less assumes use of a set of one kind, i.e. ALL SM-58'S or ALL SM-57 for the vocal & instrument setup of a sound reinforcement application or studio ("garage", "home, or "semi-pro", "demo", etc ) recording or a single use situation for one "track" or "take" of a recording
There the same mic the 57 and 58 but with different heads,
"Bruce Bartlett07-29-2000, 20:31
I was a microphone engineer at Shure.The SM57 and SM58 are essentially the same, except that the SM57 was intended mainly for instruments and the SM58 for vocals. The SM58 has a ball grille that acts as a pop filter. The two mics have the same proximity effect at the same miking distance.
Because of its smaller grille, the SM57 lets you get closer to it for more bass boost. But if you are 2 inches from the diaphragm in either mic, they have the same bass boost.
They have a slightly different response at high frequencies because of the acoustical effects of the different grilles.
Hope this helps..."
I had an argument about this a while back with someone I was playing with.
Used the beta 58a at open mics always seems louder then the rest can't say I noticed anything else but then again noisey pubs arnt the best place to base opinions.
"i was talking about vocals....not micing amps.
i'm getting good guitar sounds.
Then SM-58 hands down!
"SM 58 again and still. That's a lot of science Rocket. Thank you.
NPB_EST.1979 wrote:i was talking about vocals....not micing amps.
i'm getting good guitar sounds.
Then SM-58 hands down!
you're now ahead of me on the top 10 list. dang it!
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