1 (edited by mattt 2016-09-28 11:46:40)

Topic: Best single amp for a Bonamassa tone ?

Hi fellow JB fans

Short version : title says it all, what amp would you recommend to get in the ballpark of Joe Bonamassa's Marshally tone (think Royal Albert Hall) ?

Longer version : I really love JB's tone, and I think it's the tone I've always been after, even before I heard him play. I know tone is in the fingers and that he used to have a 4 amp rig.
Still I think I've managed to get quite close, with a cleanish amp and pedals. Strangely enough, I've tried (and bought) quite a few amps, including a 100w Jubilee reissue, and a Mini Jubilee, (and a Bogner Shiva 20th , and a Marshall YJM100 etc.) and was often disappointed by the results.
The best combination I've got so far is an Egnater Tweaker 15 and a Tone City Model M pedal (Marshall in a box). I've never been able to get as good a sound fom the big names above.

So which single amp would you recommend ? I'm currently looking at Carol Ann amps (or maybe Ceriatone Dumble clone OTS mini, but they're pretty much impossible to find in my country.
Thanks a lot for your answers.
Ps : I also posted this question on TheGearPage forum

Re: Best single amp for a Bonamassa tone ?

you'll need to read the sticky thread in this section called: Joe's Big Reverbicated Sound
http://forum.jbonamassa.com/viewtopic.php?id=1377

but if you're trying to get RAH 2009 (he has do other video's there now like RAH2013)
don't forget that he used a lot of Fulltone Supratrem on that as well.

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(If only I had 1% of Joe's guitar talent)

Re: Best single amp for a Bonamassa tone ?

If it's the 2009 RAH tone you are after, the quick answer would be you need 2 amps, Marshall style and Fender style. That way you get a fuller overall tone and the differences in characteristics add to the tonal quality...
Speaking from experience, as this era is also my favourite, I have got close with a Marshall JCM1 and Fender Champ. I've tried TS-808, Mesa Tone Burst, MXR FET Drive, the list goes on, they all get you in that ball park. I also have Egnator Tweaker 15's and I had the Ceriatone ODS Mini, good amps but didn't work for me...!
Closest I've got lately is on the Line 6 Helix, pairing a Hiwatt with a Dr Z Route 66, then using an external Overrated Special to drive the modelled amps.
Just wrap this up for now, I recently got the mini Jubilee head and I have on order a Satin from Carol Ann, will run my Van Weelden Royal Overdrive into the Satin. Will be interesting to see if that big works...!!!
Hope this helps...?

JB shows: Newcastle 2015, Hammersmith nights 3&4 2015, Calling Festival 2014, Newcastle 2012, Bridlington 2010
Guitars: Gibson Custom Shop Les Pauls; Skinnerburst #018 (Aged), Texas Burst (Heavy Aged), Fender Custom Shop Strat '63 Relic
Amps: Mini Jubilee Head, Carol-Ann Satin

Re: Best single amp for a Bonamassa tone ?

Cheers guys
Thanks for your replies.
I'm not aiming for the 2009 RAH in particular, I only mentioned this as opposed to his more recent tweed rig, which also sounds awesome, but I personnally prefer his Marshall setup.
I'd like to avoid multiple amp setups if I can, cause I often have to move my rig around for gigs and rehearsals, but I don't have a roadie (and I'm definitely not built like one lol)
I've heard some good Helix tones on youtube.
R8 Lemonburst, let us know how it goes with your new amps, should be sweet !
Thanks again
Matt

Re: Best single amp for a Bonamassa tone ?

Hi

Joe live at Rockpalast , concert is mostly a Jcm 900 Dual reverb  all the way easy if you know how but he can make any amp sound good smile

"Everybody's entitled to my opinion. wink

Re: Best single amp for a Bonamassa tone ?

SOFTMC wrote:

Hi

Joe live at Rockpalast , concert is mostly a Jcm 900 Dual reverb  all the way easy if you know how but he can make any amp sound good smile

Really a JCM 900?
Clean channel on full blast boosted with a TS?

Re: Best single amp for a Bonamassa tone ?

It's largely in the hands, I tend to sound like me whatever I play into. Joe sounds like Joe whether he's playing his Jubilee's or Tweed's.

I concentrate on the playing side of things ~ note choice, vibrato etc and work out from there. A Fender combo of good quality with a good OD pedal should get you ballpark area, budget usually plays a factor! This was my attempt:

https://soundcloud.com/mini-forklift/kossoff-cop-off

Have fun and good luck!

Re: Best single amp for a Bonamassa tone ?

Well first off

I would guess JCM 900 LEAD CHANNEL with some delay he also uses a budda( which I have also) but 900 sounds very like a Jubilee with more focused mids

JIMSTY nice clip man hard to nail those big vibrato  bends good job

Joe infuariates me his contol of vibrato it is insane

We are not worthy LOL

"Everybody's entitled to my opinion. wink

Re: Best single amp for a Bonamassa tone ?

SOFTMC wrote:

JIMSTY nice clip man hard to nail those big vibrato  bends good job

Thank you, appreciate the kind comments. Joe is a huge source of inspiration to play, play, play and then when the wife goes out I should probably play some more.

Re: Best single amp for a Bonamassa tone ?

To get something akin to the pre-Fender tone you really must have reverb and delay. Without that it will never be close even if you are tonally in the ballpark. Use of the controls on the guitar (including pickup selection) also has a big part to play.

11 (edited by jbyrd1 2016-09-30 08:51:21)

Re: Best single amp for a Bonamassa tone ?

I will never understand the chase for "someone else's tone". And to say you got closer with an Egnater than with the list of Marshall's you put up.....LOL.

Not trying to be a jerk, but you need a reality check. Chasing somebody else's tone is an exercise in futility. First off, you could play through Joe's rig, and you won't sound like Joe. That means you have to try and find the rig that will make YOU sound closest to Joe, which can only be judged by your own ears.

In other words, you are asking a question that nobody can answer but yourself. My honest, realistic advice would be, settle for close. Stick to your Egnater. You aren't going to get "that" sound without spending THOUSANDS.

The other thing is this. The more you spend on quality amps, the more it brings out YOUR sound. A rig like Joe's accentuates EVERYTHING you do as a player with your hands and volume/tone controls. In other words, the more you spend, the FURTHER AWAY you will probably get from what you are after, hence your result so far. Take your Egnater, and then go plug into a vintage Marshall 1/2 stack. That Marshall will let you know what you REALLY sound like, because if you are sloppy, you WILL here it, unlike your Egnater. It will accentuate the volume/tone adjustments, and also whatever (good OR bad) that you are doing with your hands.

Again, saying you are chasing Joe's $150,000 tone (amps/guitar), and an Egnater Tweaker has been the closest thing you have found tells me you need to save your money.

Find YOUR tone, and embrace it. Not knocking the Egnater in general by the way.....decent amps!

I want to make sure this part of my response stands out.... In other words, the more you spend, the FURTHER AWAY you will probably get from what you are after, hence your result so far.

12 (edited by helrazr84 2016-09-30 15:26:14)

Re: Best single amp for a Bonamassa tone ?

mattt wrote:

Hi fellow JB fans

Short version : title says it all, what amp would you recommend to get in the ballpark of Joe Bonamassa's Marshally tone (think Royal Albert Hall) ?

Longer version : I really love JB's tone, and I think it's the tone I've always been after, even before I heard him play. I know tone is in the fingers and that he used to have a 4 amp rig.
Still I think I've managed to get quite close, with a cleanish amp and pedals. Strangely enough, I've tried (and bought) quite a few amps, including a 100w Jubilee reissue, and a Mini Jubilee, (and a Bogner Shiva 20th , and a Marshall YJM100 etc.) and was often disappointed by the results.
The best combination I've got so far is an Egnater Tweaker 15 and a Tone City Model M pedal (Marshall in a box). I've never been able to get as good a sound fom the big names above.

So which single amp would you recommend ? I'm currently looking at Carol Ann amps (or maybe Ceriatone Dumble clone OTS mini, but they're pretty much impossible to find in my country.
Thanks a lot for your answers.
Ps : I also posted this question on TheGearPage forum

Your Egnater is absolutely fine. Try it with a Tube Screamer or a Fulldrive 2, add a bit of reverb and some delay but keep them low in the mix since you're only using a single amp. Use the effects loop. Learn some of his widely used licks and you'll get it. Most if not all guitar players want to sound like their favorites and from there you gain an understanding of your instrument and what you can make it do. Ignore anyone who tells you otherwise. Even someone who has played for 25 years can still learn something by exploring something or someone new.

jbyrd1: You obviously have nothing to offer the OP so go back to the mylespaul forum. You of all people are hardly in a position to tell someone to "find YOUR tone". Especially considering you've owned a Jubilee, Caro-Ann and every Collector's Choice Les Paul under the sun- yeah keep telling people to find their own sound. In fact seeing your videos, I'd say you'd be just fine with an off the shelf Marshall and save yourself a lot of $.

Re: Best single amp for a Bonamassa tone ?

helrazr84 wrote:
mattt wrote:

Hi fellow JB fans

Short version : title says it all, what amp would you recommend to get in the ballpark of Joe Bonamassa's Marshally tone (think Royal Albert Hall) ?

Longer version : I really love JB's tone, and I think it's the tone I've always been after, even before I heard him play. I know tone is in the fingers and that he used to have a 4 amp rig.
Still I think I've managed to get quite close, with a cleanish amp and pedals. Strangely enough, I've tried (and bought) quite a few amps, including a 100w Jubilee reissue, and a Mini Jubilee, (and a Bogner Shiva 20th , and a Marshall YJM100 etc.) and was often disappointed by the results.
The best combination I've got so far is an Egnater Tweaker 15 and a Tone City Model M pedal (Marshall in a box). I've never been able to get as good a sound fom the big names above.

So which single amp would you recommend ? I'm currently looking at Carol Ann amps (or maybe Ceriatone Dumble clone OTS mini, but they're pretty much impossible to find in my country.
Thanks a lot for your answers.
Ps : I also posted this question on TheGearPage forum

Your Egnater is absolutely fine. Try it with a Tube Screamer or a Fulldrive 2, add a bit of reverb and some delay but keep them low in the mix since you're only using a single amp. Use the effects loop. Learn some of his widely used licks and you'll get it. Most if not all guitar players want to sound like their favorites and from there you gain an understanding of your instrument and what you can make it do. Ignore anyone who tells you otherwise. Even someone who has played for 25 years can still learn something by exploring something or someone new.

jbyrd1: You obviously have nothing to offer the OP so go back to the mylespaul forum. You of all people are hardly in a position to tell someone to "find YOUR tone". Especially considering you've owned a Jubilee, Caro-Ann and every Collector's Choice Les Paul under the sun- yeah keep telling people to find their own sound. In fact seeing your videos, I'd say you'd be just fine with an off the shelf Marshall and save yourself a lot of $.

Actually, the advice I gave the OP is helpful and accurate. I told him to stick with his Egnater, just like you did, and if you knew anything about high end amps, you would know that what I said about them is absolutely accurate, and pertinent to the OP.

You are correct....I have and do own several amps and Les Paul's. I enjoy playing all of them, and don't buy them to sound like someone else. I experiment to find MY tone.....the tone I like best.

I couldn't care less what you think of our videos, and you are right.....an off the shelf Marshall would absolutely be fine. I happen to like my custom made Friedman BE better than any off the shelf Marshall's I currently own at the moment, but thank you for your input. Lol

14 (edited by ZeyerGTR 2016-10-02 07:34:32)

Re: Best single amp for a Bonamassa tone ?

I've tried (and bought) quite a few amps, including a 100w Jubilee reissue, and a Mini Jubilee, (and a Bogner Shiva 20th , and a Marshall YJM100 etc.) and was often disappointed by the results.

If you've tried all those and have been disappointed I'm not sure we can offer much realistic help.  I'm not saying this to be snarky or negative, but those are all high quality amps that are in the ballpark.  Don't forget the tone you hear on RAH is through microphones, mixing and mastering.  In other words, if you took the exact amps Joe played on that gig, with the exact settings and played it in your studio it would sound different to your ears than the recording.  On top of that, he plays with the tone controls on his guitars a lot.  It's also a fact that everyone hears a little differently - what *I* think is exactly like Joe's tone might not be what you think, etc.  With all that that in mind, maybe its a matter of learning to understand exactly what it is about his tone you like, find gear that's in the ballpark, and then spend a lot of time with the EQ and gain to dial in what you hear.

These online courses may help, although with the caveat that while I love Scott Henderson and trust his experience on this, I have not personally watched them:
https://www.mymusicmasterclass.com/prem … erclass-1/
https://www.mymusicmasterclass.com/prem … erclass-2/

15 (edited by DougH 2016-10-02 07:18:10)

Re: Best single amp for a Bonamassa tone ?

My thinking is, how many people can put a 100w guitar amp in their house at volume dial at the 6 on the dial of 10, just at the edge of break up with a 4x12 or even a 2x12 with 300w EV speakers

That would be around the spot Joe plays. And the power tubes are starting to work
If you play at "bedroom " levels they'll never sound right

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(If only I had 1% of Joe's guitar talent)

Re: Best single amp for a Bonamassa tone ?

Try to find a used small chassis 25/50 silver jubilee. Either that or an old Budda SD45 or SD80.

Amp: Firebird Musical Amplifiers
Guitars:62 LP SG , 02 FB VII, JB FB I, 76 Electra Omega, 64 Firebird V, 73 LPC, 61 Custom Tele, 59 and 60 Melody Maker
Effects: Mythos Chupacabra, Strymon Deco/Flint

Re: Best single amp for a Bonamassa tone ?

I was shopping for a combo a couple days ago, and although I ended up with a Marshall dsl 40c, I tried a PRS combo (I believe it was a 30 watter). And as soon as I heard its tone, I thought "Joe".

Re: Best single amp for a Bonamassa tone ?

Joe could play through an old Line 6 modelling amp and it would send amazing. The sound is so much about the interaction between the player and the instrument.

I saw Joe play with the old Fender tweed amp setup a while back and for the encore he played ‘All Aboard”, after the keyboard solo he started the song up again with a very metallic harmonic sound that you would never expect out of an old Fender amp, but Joe got it to sound almost like a Mesa amp! This is my clip of it, - I was stood at the front of the stage so infant of the PA, - sound from his amp: https://youtu.be/jexpzNGADBg

Good luck now whatever you decide, post up some clips when you have it sorted.

My YouTube channel with plenty of my Joe's videos dating from 2009 inc his first Hammersmith Odeon ones:
http://www.youtube.com/ian916fun