1 (edited by eva 2007-10-19 05:37:00)

Topic: Sitting at Joe´s concerts

Hey everybody,

I just thought I´d bring this up, because Joe mentioned it after the Paradiso gig ... he said that he´d like to do more shows where people are sitting, maybe play in theaters or just at any locations where people can sit down, so they can really listen to the music.
What do you think ?

I thought about it when I saw Popa Chubby play in Nürnberg yesterday and was standing more than 3 hours (with my feet still hurting from my 4 days Amsterdam....). Popa was great (as usual he tried to kill the soundman for not putting up the volume high enough), but I was starting to get a little bit tired after 2  and a half hours and would have given a lot for a nice seat to sit down a while....

I think that people just listen in another way if they sit - in Germany it´s common to sit in Blues concerts, but not in Blues-Rock concerts.. smile
If I had the choice I think I´d prefer to sit (you can still jump up...) and really let myself "fall into the music"  - but otherwise: if it´s Joe who´s playing up there I could stand for 2 days wink.

To sit or not to sit - that´s the question!

Greetz, Eva

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I think I'll prefer Joe playing the theaters where I can sit.

"There is nothing to it.  You only have to hit the right notes at the right time and the instrument plays itself."---Johann Sebastian Bach

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No  sitting!!!
I want to stand, shout, jump,move, dance etc. I always prefer to stand. If you want to sit then go the the opera!
I'm 54 and still can stand for 5-6 hours. No problem.

If you have problems with standing o.k. but for me Rockers or Bluesrockers stand!!

Eva music I posted today.

Andre Wittebroek.

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hi eva good question .......
i have talked with Andre wittebroek in Amsterdam about the seat gigs in Amerika and we both
wonder about how the people can sit at a Joe concert???
i mean ok its more comfotable for the people who can not stand so long Time

but in aother way it kills the atmospare its like you sit down and watch a Movie
i more like to interakt with the beat ....not Dancing like Michael Jackson.......lol....no
but just wip with the beat


second: i think when you sit in the middle of the row you disturb others a lot when you go to the toilet or get a beer at the bar......

i mean in amsterdam you had both seats at the balcony and standig places in front of the Stage
this is mabye the best Mix

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Viele grüße
Geko

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Good point Eva.  Personally (even though my feet were aching and sore after Amsterdam) I would always prefer to stand, to be able to move around, dance and really get into the music.  I always think that sitting makes you feel you have to be still so as not to disturb anyone next to you or behind/in front of you but standing this doesn't seem to be a problem.  And sitting means you can't march!  wink 

As Geko said, the best solution is having both sitting and standing so people can choose. 

I stand up for standing up at shows!  But in other 10 years or so I might change my mind ...

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I'm with Joe on this. I believe he is a spectator sport. Granted every GA ticket sold at a stand up venue could be a front row ticket if you want to be there bad enough. I would rather pay for my spot and not have to elbow people out of the way.

I'll be 50 soon and have recently stood in excess of 3 hours at a GA show Stray Cats, The Pretenders, and ZZ Top. Didn't make it to the end. Knees and feet were killing me. Sorry not much of a dancer. If I was we were packed like sardines and you couldn't move except to adjust the weight distribution. Couldn't leave for a beer or a pee because there would of been no way back in. I told myself. This is the last time I'm doing this.

I appreciate the fact that Joe thinks of the audience. We put down chairs in a GA room at the last show. Still left standing around the perimeter for those that wanted to work close down the side. Next time in will be all seats.
The back row will only be 18 rows from the stage. Not a bad seat in the house. I have never had anyone complain there were chairs down.

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I've seen him both ways and I prefer to stand.  You need to be able to move a little when you're listening to Joe.  I have tickets to see him in Tampa and Orlando.  Both shows are reserved seating only.  Don't get me wrong.  I'm sure they will be  great shows.  It's just not the same.  neutral

Susan

"Listen to the melody cause my love is in there hiding"

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SIT.  I don't enjoy general admission anymore.  Two concerts that I attended with the kids, Green Day and Red Hot Chilli Peppers, I stood the entire time, but still would not have wanted to be in general admission pressed against the stage. I like a little space and hate the feeling of being 'trampled underfoot'.  If no one else is movin' and groovin' around me, I move from my seat and go to the side out of everyone's way.

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We like both. Seems like different concerts totally. The crowd in the standing venue seems to get more lively, and we've seen Joe feed off of that and it seems the level of intensity raises. We've also enjoyed the sitting shows, for the above mentioned reasons.

A combination venue or structure would satisfy both.

We went to a standing show several years ago to see a notoriously late starting artist (Guns N Roses) at The Joint inside Hard Rock LV.  Axel came out a couple hours late, so we only made it through about 4 songs before we had to leave due to pain from standing on the slanted concrete. No room to move or breath and a fight to get a drink or go to the restroom. About $800 worth of tickets out the window. Wouldn't do it again.

Something in the mid of these extremes is probably right for us.

PC

“A friend is someone that will help you move............a TRUE friend will help you move the bodies." -- anon

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Much prefer to sit, especially is there's an opening act before the main show.  Some concerts even tho you have a seat, like the Stones, everyone stands the whole while
but at least I have a chair to put my coat and purse down on.  It seems that no matter
where I stand there is someone taller right in front of me.  As Roy mentioned, Shank
Hall is perfect if you get there very early to grab a chair and table in front of you for
drinks etc. 
Jaci

Lose your dreams and you will lose your mind.  Mick Jagger

11 (edited by suhl 2007-10-19 10:16:24)

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you ask me, sitting kills the atmosphere and cripples the energy, almost no exceptions.  yeah the sound coming the stage isnt changed, but the environment is.  for me my feet hurting is a small price to pay for that.  plus after spening many eight hour work days on my feet it isnt as bad.  as for joe wanting more sitting venues i dont know what he means.  maybe i could see where he is coming from since he plays at standing room venues and they set up tables and chair or just chairs.  the exception for when sitting is ok is when it is all reserved seating and is in a theater.  beyond that id rather boogie at a concert than sit there as if i was at a movie theater.  i see where people are coming from on the sitting but dont understand it.  to me a concert is an experience and is worth a little sacrifice of having your feet and/or legs hurt.  i dont have a big problem with other people sitting at concerts except if the person behind you wants to sit and you want to stand, neither of you are doing anything wrong really but you come off looking like a jerk.  now joe playing three hours, that id be willing to sit for id love a longer show from him

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I agree that some sort of hybrid seating/standing arrangement might be good, if folks would only honor it. At the recent Indy show, which was a general admission rib and music festival, reserved seats were available for $20 extra. I sprang for it and wound up on the front row, which was really cool until the music started and people with seats further back lined up against the stage. What was most troubling is that many seemed to be more interested in having someone take their pic with Joe in the background or just talk and generally make the scene, (or step on my wife's foot). It was almost as if at times Joe was looking past the front row for a connection with the audience because many of them weren't really engaged with the music, though I don't know how you can be that near Joe and not be totally caught up in the heat of the moment.

I'm a fairly fit 54-year-old who can and will stand if necessary, but too often I'm having to stand simply because others seem to be there for reasons other than soaking up Joe's genius. And that's fine--there's a place for everyone for sure, and pople process and enjoy concerts differently. But maybe, if you want to talk over the music, take pix, and hang out, do that away from the front of the stage so that those who came to zero in on the music can. 

Blessings,
Larry

"...play skillfully and shout for joy." Psalm 33:3b (honest, it really says that)

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For me, it depends on the venue. Since Joe doesn't alter his set list, different venues offer different experiences. The Harrisburg show was in a very nice theater..the seats were comfy and you could chair dance! These venues tend to have better behaved audiences which allows you to hear every little note. It was a beautiful show! I'm so used to standing (I'm a dancing fool) that I assume I'll have to suffer for my fun...Ram's Head Live in Baltimore is a rowdy place. This time they have seats where you normally stand but it's general admission which means I'll have to get there at dawn! But, as I age, I would rather go to fewer shows because I'd rather pay for V.I.P. when it's an option such as blues festivals, because you get the best seats with the least amount of hassles...Cathy

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I like the idea of having both seats and standing. Personally, I'd rather have the option of a seat because standing for any length of time gets to me.  It's tough being an old fogey. (:

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Interesting topic Eva, glad you brought it up. It seems that Joe draws from a very diverse audience. Having been to both seated and stand-up shows, I have mixed feelings.
Pros and cons of each:

GA or stand-up shows - pros: you can usually get the spot near the stage that you want. You also get to be close to the artists and experience the music by being able to see the expressions and emotions as it comes out in the music. For me, being a visually detailed person and a photographer, this adds an extra dimension to the show and is what I try to capture in my photos. I think this is why DVD's of the live shows are so popular. I think you connect with the energy of the artists when you are up close and personal. 

The negative side of the GA or stand-up shows: I am short, if I am not in the very front, I can't see. All of the stand up shows I have been at have allowed the drinks to flow free all evening. I can tell you that I do not enjoy having beer and other drinks slopped all over me because some drunk insists on holding their drink over their head while pumping thier arms up in the air. As a few who have attended some shows with me know, I am very protective of my camera! I am ashamed to say what would happen to the poor person who dumped their beer on my camera! sad Hopefully this will never be an issue, as I am not a fighter. Also it seems that at a standing show, by no choice of your own, you wind up mashed into the stage because someone  who did not arrive early enough thinks that they are entitled to be at the stages edge. I think it is rude; I get in line early to get a prime spot in front of the stage and then once the show starts some think that they can just work their way to the front. At a couple of shows I was pushed forward so much that my knees were actually over the stage by several inches. It provided some unique angles for photos, but was almost too close! I could have tuned Joe's guitar for him while he was playing it!

Seated shows - pros: The audiences seem to be much better behaved or well mannered. It almost seems to me that the seated shows draw a different type of audience. You have a guaranteed seat. If you cannot get in line early it is not a problem. At a seated show, everyone has a good view of the stage. Seated shows generally allow all ages which is nice for those of us who have kids and want to see Joe.

The negative side of the seated show: You don't get the intimate experience of the artist as they experience what they are playing. You don't get to see the expressions and the emotions. This to me adds another dimension to the music. Also, the audience seems to be a bit more passive. Although you might have a good view of the stage, if your tickets are for the balcony, unless you bring binoculars, I think you miss out on a dimension of the music.

My husband and I experience shows/concerts differently. I prefer to be at the edge of the stage. He prefers to be in the back somewhere. I tell him that I experience the music and he listens to the music.

Just my observation but the stand-up shows tend to draw more of the beer drinking, screaming, chatty, rowdy type of crowd who are out for a good night of drinkin' and dancin' and the seated shows tend to draw a better behaved more (for a lack of better words) sophisticated crowd. Maybe it is related to the availability of alcohol at the shows?

I did not get to go to the Davenport show but from what Patty told me they had these awesome big monitors set up so that everyone had a close-up view of the stage. Now that would be the best of both worlds, a seated show and a closeup view that the spot at the edge of the stage provides.

In the photos of the past couple of shows that I have photographed from the side of the stag I have noticed that at the standing shows the audience is into the music. Maybe because the audience can move around more? The audience at the seated shows have a glazed over look, maybe they are just in awe?

Possible solution? Maybe to have a primarily seated show with standing behind and to the sides of the seated areas but with some big screens of monitors that allows the audience to experience the up and close feeling?

~Rhonda

"I don't think obsessions have reasons, that's why they're obsessions....National Geographic likes their pictures in focus..." Robert Kincaid

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Sorry the above post was so long.

On a related note regarding photographing a show.... I am very self conscious about not blocking others view of the stage when photographing. If it is a seated show and I am in the area between the first row and the stage, does it bother people when I pop up to photograph? Sometimes it is a quick snap while other times it takes a minute due to needing to correct a camera setting because of the change in the lighting?

I have been wondering about this lately. Any feedback would be appreciated!

Thanks,

~Rhonda

"I don't think obsessions have reasons, that's why they're obsessions....National Geographic likes their pictures in focus..." Robert Kincaid

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Tough call. Do I consider my feet which at my age start aching after about an hour of standing or do I go with my brain which wants to be right up front experiencing the sound and sight of Joe?

I'd have to say that if Joe wants to do more theaters, then I have to work harder to get front row seats. big_smile

I'm just saying.

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photogal wrote:

Possible solution? Maybe to have a primarily seated show with standing behind and to the sides of the seated areas but with some big screens of monitors that allows the audience to experience the up and close feeling?

The way Toad's Place was set up last night was similar to this and I liked it. They had the seats in the middle with standing behind it and (I think) to the sides of it with a big screen behind the stage.  The lounge, which was next door to the concert area, had tv screens everywhere. The screens all showed the stage so I'm guessing you could watch the show from there.