Topic: Surfing the Net about Sloe Gin

Hey Everybody,
           I was just surfing the net about Sloe Gin and was noticing that some people love it and some people think Ive gone soft.  I pose this question cause it confuses me and Kevin ( not to speak for him , just refering to his Blog).  Is there no room for growth in the Blues?  Strings on a blues song? Wow what a sin!!!  That seems to be such a bone of contention.  Remember "The Thrill is Gone" had tons of Strings. Thats a classic blues song for the ages.   I could easily sing 2 verses and solo for 80 bars and sing three more lines and call it a song.  Really?  will that warrent a 5 star rating.  Maybe, I cant rip people off like that.. Recording  Sloe Gin has opened my eyes to musical possiblities beyond being the 80 bar solo guy.  Melody and songs are a big part of it too.  Somebody must like it ( 10,000 in  3 weeks) I honestly pose the question to the fourm does growth mean something? or should I just make blues deluxe vol 2 thru 60?
My next project will be a live record with my KILLER band and then will be making a world blues album.  Going around the world and recording blues tracks.  I love the way Sloe Gin came out.  I very proud of the work Kevin and I have done.  I m honestly confused about what people expect out of me.  Honestly and not to sound pretentious,  I can easly just rip over standard blues and call it a day..Thats second nature for me  and umteenth others ..   But Ive never been one to take the easy way out..  I know this will start quite a thread..
Joe Bonamassa

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Joe, I guess lots of folks like their Blues tried and true. I myself don't feel Sloe Gin is over-produced or that you were trying to be too mainstream. What I like about your music is that you dont try to duplicate or stay in the frame work of your previous albums. I feel each and everyone of your works are fresh in the way they're produced and performed. You can't please everyone so you gotta please yourself. Can't wait for the Live album !!     Keep it real .......... JBrules/ Paul

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Well I like the new album, and a lot of others with me as Sloe Gin's doing well in the charts.
I guess some people cant cope with the fact that you're continuing to grow as a musician. If you would keep on doing the same for years then you would indeed be a stuck-in-ways bluesboy as you describe yourself in your album booklets. wink You could keep soloing like a madman on each song, but that wouldn't do any good for the song itself.
A good player can go and impress people with some of the most crazy guitar playing, but it's a great player who knows when not to play and focus on the bigger picture.
The new album has a nice variety of styles and I'm really impressed with the production and overall sound, ever since I first heard Ball Peen Hammer on the radio when the album wasnt even released yet.

We have just one world, but we live in different ones.

4 (edited by ohiodawg13 2007-09-16 04:48:44)

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Thicken your skin and don't let the critics get under it. You are an artist with a wealth of talent, actually you got an overdose of it somehow. Growth is part of the artistic process, DaVinci didn't sit around painting the Mona Lisa over and over did he? As much as I love Blues Deluxe, that one's in the books. I always felt ripped off when bands would hit gold with a tune or a whole album and then come back with a modified version of it as their next release. There was probably a lot of label pressure involved in that. Personally I'm always hoping to hear your next level with each new release. I dig the covers you do, but when you & Mike collaborate it always knocks me out, Richmond is the latest example. Just follow your heart and let it flow. So when are you gonna release your bluegrass blues disc????? See you in the City maybe Tue., Thur. for sure.

                                                                                         Opinions are like a-holes
                                                                                         everybodies got one,

                                                                                         J Dawg

PS thanks for givin' a damn about your fans input.

What is success? Is it do yo' own thang, or is it to join the rest?   -Allen Toussaint

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hey joe,

i think that may be you knew that some critics would be rude because of the new sound of this album, but it must always be hard to face it. Despite of the number 1 in the charts, despite all the support of your fans, despite of hte growing number of people coming to your concerts.
I can undersstand it. Some critics are frustrated musicians , lol.

hey! remember clapton's album " Pilgrim". and remember his MTV unplugged album. The second one was made only of classical Blues and was a huge sale! Critics didn't undertand the first one. What to say? That's always like this.

Sloe gin is a GREAT album, and i like it much better than one of your first Blues album....and i'm a blues guy!    once i read that you were the 21 st century Blues guy....man you're on your way!

see you next time in Paris!


Lionel, from paris, France. ;-)

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Hey Joe,

That´s just the way things go - start something new and you´ll have to face the people that are used to the old stuff and can´t open their minds to something else.

"Sloe Gin" has often been compared with the Beatles´ later work on this forum - and think about what they had to go through when albums like "Sgt. Pepper" or the "White Album" came out. They were considered to be completely insane for publishing music that doen´t go like "Dadada I love you so" ...  wink .  Same with the Blues.

But Joe, you are one of the very few musicians that have the love and soul to keep the Blues alive! If they all keep on going the same old way the Blues will die out some day ... "Sloe Gin" has made me happy and made me cry - and I don´t give a f*** on the question if strings are allowed to exist in a Blues Song, if this song can bring me to tears.
Something that doesn´t grow won´t stay alive for very long - so I hope your music keeps on growing for a lot of years to come and maybe you´ll be a wise Bluesman when you´re 60 wink .

Thank you for your fantastic music, Joe!

Eva

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Joe, not to worry. I LOVE Sloe Gin, and the rest of the CD too. I am blown away by your cover of "Seagull" as well.

People always seem to want their favorite artist to keep making the same CD over & over.  Let me tell you that I don't. (FWIW the same thing purportedly pissed off Jimi Hendrix, all people wanted was a remake of Purple Haze and Foxy Lady.)

I *enjoy* the growth and variety of your different CD's. Each one of them is unique and demonstrates how you've grown musically over the years. Even my wife (who I think has a thing for you!!) commented on how your music has grown over the years.

From where I sit you've gotten where you are by doing things your way, so keep it up. Your real fans (like myself) always appreciate your newest CD. Like any new CD it may take a couple listens to get the feel, but I assure you that I like each & every one of them. Strings, heck yeah! Piano, organ? Heck yeah! I was at the Ft. Wayne show last December and I thought the string section was an excellent addition.

I was in Indy on Sept 3rd and I'll be in Muncie next month too. My wife & I can't wait. And speaking of my wife- she likes the "new" country and sappy stuff from un-named singers. But since I've been taking her to your shows she's a really big fan of yours. "You & Me" is stuck in her CD changer, right along with Faith Hill & Tim McGraw. (I TOLD YOU!)

Well, it's off to finish brewing my 11 gallons of Brown Ale.. Just e-mail me if you want me to bring some to the Muncie show.. (a serious offer).

Keep doing what you're doing- we love it!. Everyone's an armchair rock star & critic. Some of us appreciate growth & variety.  Rock on, Joe!

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One of the basic principals of designing things for consumer consumption is to design it in such a way that initially public opinion is about half the people love it, and half the people hate it. The thinking is that if everyone loves it initially then the product will have a short total life. If everyone hates it initially, then it won't sell. With the 50/50 split there is enough love to make it sell initially and then over time the other half will grow to love it and this gives the product a long life.

This may be what you have accidentally done here. 

We (Janette and I) don't expect the same things out of you each time. That is one of the best things about your new albums. We never really know what to expect, and each time its not like the last time. Almost like a surprise gift or Christmas morning.....it ups the anticipation. So I guess the thing we expect to be the same is that its going to be different in some ways. And we expect at least one really cool song that at least partially came from Mike Himelstein; you and Mike work well together.

You need to work with people like Tom Dowd and Kevin Shirley (not saying Kevin Shirley is the same as). People that are talented enough to be able to take you to new places and keep things moving forward.

No matter what you read, we believe that you know you've got it right when you look out at the crowd and see the fan reactions when you play your show. I know you got it right because to this day it doesn't matter who I introduce to your music, they become instant fans.

Keep up the good work and enjoy yourself.

PC/JC
big_smile

“A friend is someone that will help you move............a TRUE friend will help you move the bodies." -- anon

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Hello Joe, thanks for asking the forum in what we think about your new CD.  The fact that it has sold over 10K copies so far in the first three weeks speaks volumes.  Some people are going to be stuck on your early music and the early band and not get off the dime.  But that is their mistake not yours.

Your music, is just that, your music.  Whatever direction you would like to go, then the true fans will follow, but there are always going to be critics.  Remember when Bob Dylan went from folk to rock with an electric guitar.  That created such an uproar that he was booed off the stage.  But look where is now and where he has been.  He is a legend. 

Sloe Gin is different but it is not, it is still your music and you have some great songs on there and they all fit together.  Truly one of the best, if not the best CDs by you to date.   Lys and I really have enjoyed it and can't wait to see you guys in Raleigh to see some of the new songs performed live. 

Take care and have fun!!!

Music is good for the Soul...

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Hi Joe

Great that you care enough to put this on here.

I was one of the people who said that it wasn't my favourite JB album on first listening. One of the other things I said was that my experience of music that I immediately like was that I quickly tired of it quite often (but not yours) and music which didn't immediately hit the cerebral cortex in the right spot was to become a loved piece of work........and so it seems with SG. I am listening and finding more as it gets more plays. It's still not my number one favourite JB album (they change with my mood) but it might be one day. You can't expect every new album to be everyones favourite straight away.

I love the melodies and changes in music - it's not all about blistering solos all the time.
I applaud the different things you try and wouldn't ever expect you to do otherwise - such a great talent can't stand still. Keep doing it please.

To put it in perspective, it's in my CD changer most of the time anyway !!

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Growth is everything - doing the same thing over and over is not growth at all. No matter how much you love something it still gets old doing it 200 nights a year. I love Sloe Gin (and think it is your best album to date) but that is not to say I don't love the earlier albums also. Each one represents a step on the journey - they got you to where you are today. One of the things I like about Sloe Gin is the feel of the album from start to finish, as the listener you are on a ride. Today in the music business songs and artists just seem to be disposable commodities, its refreshing to have someone put out a real record. SG reminded me of the days when I would wait patiently for the new albums to come in then take them home and put on the headphones and listen to them from start to finish for hours. I am excited about the live album but I CAN'T WAIT for the next studio album to see the direction it takes.

Last week in Springfield I talked to several people that said they were boycotting the festival because of the "non-blues acts this year", meaning Joe and the North Mississippi All-stars. I thought it was a great show and in having seen Joe umpteen times I was knocked out by the BAND and the how much the SHOW had evolved. To me all the elements were in place now. The mix of material was excellent, there was enough "purist" blues, enough guitar virtuousity (and I am even a guitar player), and plenty of great songs. The interplay between the band members was evident, you got the sense that these guys actually like hanging out with each other instead of it being "just a job".

In short, keep on doing what you are doing!!! You have to be happy first and formost.

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Hey Joe,
       You are one of the most unique individuals I have ever met and that is what I find so appealing about you.  You "march to that different drummer" in life, you take "the road not travelled" and I personally think that puts you in it for the "long haul."  You are like the snowball rolling down the hill and getting bigger and bigger and then pretty soon you are an avalanche.  I have had more "newbies" listen to Sloe Gin than any other of your CD's that I have offered up.  I am getting a wider range of people to listen. 
       So Joe Bonamassa, you keep that chin of yours up and you keep looking forward,  you have done yourself well and I for one, am very proud of your new accomplishment and very,very proud to be a fan of yours. 
       Joe, there's no where else but up.  Sloe Gin IS brilliant!!!!!!
                                                I luv ya' my friend,
                                                             pattyluvsjoe

P.S.  Re-read that quote I put in your card to you, that says it all.

"I'm not nice to any guitar!"      lol
                 Joe Bonamassa 05-03-12

JBLP CHILD #184

13 (edited by mikeb 2007-09-16 11:12:05)

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Joe it is your most accomplished work yet... Kudos to Kevin for his superb work too... I for one will soon be posting a glowing review dude......

You Can Do Anything You Want To Do

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Criticism is just an opinion , it can positive and it can be negative from either side of the fence , i'll do it this way , i'll do it that way ,
I Wonder if people will like this , there's sure to be some that won't
Life is full of yes and no's , wrong and rights , but as individuals we all make our own decisions , That's Life
Joe you've just Released your 7th Solo Album To Worldwide Acclaim , it's gone to No 1 on Various Charts , Billboard , Amazon ahead of other well named artists , That's Positive as in 100,000's of People are Listening to your Songs.
Yes you could have Released another Blues Deluxe or a Standard Blues outting with Endless Solo's , And yes and in the short term maybe instant Success & adolation , But why ? ...... That would be false To yourself and your beliefs , Why cheat on yourself to make the fast buck , Some Have and if it's about the money , then they're happy , but deep down they were made to order for consumption by their moguls for just money and NOT THE MUSIC.
With Sloe Gin and all your albums They each have Their own Backbone and Theme and all add to make a Diverse ( Not Cliched Genre ) Musical Back Catalogue , that people will enjoy and you can bring to a live show
..... Now Sloe Gin is Different in it's Feel yes , Strong Production and Clarity , But not really as in Quality of Songs , And that Folks is Where Sloe Gin is at it's Strongest ....
At the end of the day it's THE SONGS Themselves that make this albums an outstanding piece of work , I Think i'm sure and many would Agree that it's Joe's Most Accomplished Album to Date and was The Perfect Release at the right time , yeah you are gonna get the People who won't adjust to change , but in a more positive way there are the new followers who are looking for something a bit Different and Fresh no matter what type of music.
And your Route to this Place has taken the long road " The Honest Road " No Short Cut's  Touring Constantly ,With your Driving Force
Your love for your music and what you believe to be the right and natural way , No False Ideas , Meeting your Fans , and i've said this before smiling and happy up there on stage is where you're home is , And i Quote " If i Didn't Make a Penny off the Music i'd ,Still do it" (Joe Circa 1993) ..Truest Words.
So Sloe Gin is indeed One of The Finest Music Albums Released in Recent Years By an Artist who's not Generally Known outside of Blues Music Circles , Just look at the Charts (again) for Proof , The Songs and Belief is there on That CD For all to Hear , us fans on this forum all believe like joe in his Genuine genius talent to make albums like this and take us with him on a journey , because bottom line we are all music lovers here and for us all young and middle aged ( careful michael ) lol 
We are enjoying talking here , travelling to shows and spreading the word , That Joe you need not have any doubts that you've made a wrong turn , Opposite Blues is one of the oldest forms of music and you have seemlessly moved it in to 21st Century for all the generations to hear and i'll leave The Last Word To The Great BB King
    "His Potentials are So Great , He Haven't Even Began To Scratch the Surface Yet of What and Where He Can Go , Where He Will Go If He Continues"  Amen

............................... Michael

Joe Bonamassa .......  His Greatest 3 Videos ... IMMHO   After Much Deliberation
3rd ...... Mountain Time / Rockpalast       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h01xa6NMsJo
2nd ...... Sloe Gin       /  Vienna            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRASS8O8ZnE           
1st ....... Blues Deluxe / The Borderline    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnl3E_KLxYg

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joe your album sloe gin is fantastic and i have nearly worn my copy out playing it.
you should be very proud of it.
NEVER pay much attention to chart positions because realy they mean nothing,
look at some of the crap that has top the charts even mr bloby had a number one.
just enjoy makeing music the way you want to and we all will enjoy listen to it.
you cant go wrong.


you rock joe

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Joe,

I am actually working on an article about your new record, so this might be a little spoiler.  But I think your new record is just about perfect, for what it is.  I think that the other records have clearly been you bucking against your talent, the wealth of it...and trying to find a direction for it.  I think your limiting yourself on so many of the previous albums.  I think that the trust that you put in the producer on this record shows just where your going.

That, for those who scrutinize, is a compliment. 

I think that this record, you found someone that you trust, and allowed him to drive the boat for a bit...what happened in that situation is your voice, and your playing were freed up tremendously.  It is clear that this guy is a strong personality, and was able to lead the sessions, because of the departing nature of this music.

I think everyone who thinks criticism is just opinions are tremendously incorrect.  As a CRITIC who has earned his position with a scholarly approach and serious investment in music...criticism for Joe needs to be seen as a discussion.  A true critics voice, should be no differant than Joes girlfriends voice...saying...the strings were too much...or you should never play mandolin...or get a haircut hippie.  But a seriously engaged critic, and review of the track is a voice of someone who is taking the time to present Joe with information, and most of the time comes from a serious place of engagement.  I for one am excited by the chance to write about Joe professionally twice in one month for two differant publications.

I think that this is not Joe's Beatles record.  But I think that it might be a good stepping stone.  I think that listening to Rod Stewarts first record, which I am going to assume is the one that has Street Fighting Man on it as the one your talking about...that is a good start.  But I think that it is a small, non challenging step.  I think it would be interesting, and I told Cathy this, to see where the music goes if Joe goes on a steady diet of the Beatles.  For a long time.  Nothing but the Beatles in the ipod shuffle.  Beatles first thing, beatles over dinner.  A serious look at that song writing progression.

That is what this record signals.  A change in the way Joe writes songs.  I question the Live record as the next record, but those are easier to do than sitting home writing songs for a year with no income.

The well that Joe draws his talent from, and the discipline he has cultivated as a player...those are pretty deep.  I think that this record is a shot across the bow...that Joe is not going to end up a guitar shop hero like Eric Johnson, or Steve Vai.  I think it means that Joe wants to be a songwriter.  Which is better in my opinion.

Seriously, who has coffee.

17 (edited by #1JBFAN 2007-09-16 11:10:50)

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I first saw you on August 16 2006 opening for BB KING and i came away saying who was that Joe Bonamassa guy.I picked up Blues deluxe for the long drive back to IL and i was WOWED,then came You&me and i was blown away.So in the weeks to come i picked up  H T C T,A N D Y ,S I L T, On those earlier cd's i did like some of the songs but not all grabbed me like the newer cd's.I think that if i would have picked up your cd's years ago i might not be a BONAMANIAC AS I AM TODAY.SLOE GIN is AWESOME  i cant take it out of my cd player. I find that i hear things new each time i listen to it and thats what i realy love. I can say there is something for every one on this c d  I guess what i am saying is every c d from your first to SLOE GIN is getting better&better and that you are mixing it up which i like, I love the journey you are taking us on,I think your KILLER BAND IS OUTSTANDING.Seen you guys twice since Rick and Carmine joined up man have they added to the show. And Bogie YOU are kicking major A---!!!!! I just want to thank all you guys for what you do and for putting up with us FANS. Joe keep it going in this direction and we will follow!!! See you at the H O B CHICAGO.
    JON

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Joe, Joe, Joe..lesson#1 Don't read reviews. Or, at the most ,read the ones from people you respect! And, thanks for coming here to ask our opinions...I have to admit that what brought me to you were those long incredible guitar soloes that left me breathless. I'm old and really didn't expect to witness another genius in my lifetime. There are no words to describe the hope for the future of the "blues" that you have given me. Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! I hope you'll continue to "throw a bone" to us guitar freaks ....Sloe Gin..I've said before, this is a resume..Something for everyone..and thus will bring new fans. It's a shame music even has to be labeled. You and I have already discussed my issues with the Blues Foundation, purists, the need for legacy...I'm a warrior for this cause! The "problem" I have is a very polished album does not always translate well into a live show. Being a self admitted guitar wh*re, I miss the 2nd track guitar that's on the CD. Having said that, I was thrilled with the show at Harrisburg. You ALWAYS kill at live shows!!! I also have some technical issues as a listener..There seems to be alot of "rumble" (I don't know proper terms), which causes me to have to take my bass to 0 or below to stop it. I also hear a noise in a few places in Pall Peen Hammer that I don't think belong, but that will teach me to wear headphones.....Like everybody else here, I do not question your choices as you've not given me any reason to. You are the leader!! We believe in you. You have many years to continue to grow. No pioneer has ever had an easy path. Trailblazing is tough! I have an idea for the title to your next song/tour.."Word of Mouth"..that's how you've done it so far and how it will continue.. Again, Thank you a million times over for the music, for your kindness and most of all for HOPE!!!   Cathy