1 (edited by Curby 2012-09-13 10:22:56)

Topic: Fossil fuels, energy, the price of gas

Big Oil never ceases to amaze me.  Tuesday morning they raised the price of gas 20 cents in memory of 9/11 only to drop it back that night.  Now I wake up and turn on the news and they're rioting in the middle ages east over a freaking Internet video and some criminals doubled the price of gas in New Jersey and Pennsylvania.  OMG!!! When is this world going to make it a number one priority to end the addiction to fossil fuels?  This country used to have anti-trust laws, but the oil companies controlling our world are running the show.  Consumers around the world need to contact their legislators and start boycotting these bloodsuckers.  In other words, let that car sit in the drive-way more often and watch the prices go down.

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Of course the other side of the argument is to drill, drill, drill domestically.  Increase domestic supply and prices come down with the competition. It happened with Natural Gas.

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Don't forget our fearless leader's promise to make gasoline and electricity prices rise to those of Europe to wean us off oil and towards other sources. Seems that is one he's keeping. hmm
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Curby, I have done a search on google and on CNN and the only references I can find to $8 gas are historical ones, mostly from 08, and lots of speculation from earlier this year. If you post a title as 'emotive' as "8 Dollars a Freaking Gallon!!!!" you need to substantiate it with facts and a link. If you have one, please post it, or I will amend the title.


RickB wrote:

Don't forget our fearless leader's promise to make gasoline and electricity prices rise to those of Europe to wean us off oil and towards other sources. Seems that is one he's keeping. hmm
Rick

All I'll say before putting my hard hat on is that you know perfectly well (or should do) that heads of governments have precisely zilch to do with the price you pay at the pump. Whoever is in the White House, has no direct influence over the daily fluctuations in price. Over here, where we have national rather than state or regional tax on gas, governments who may wish to increase the tax have to go through the normal legislative process. No government can say, 'listen up, we're increasing the tax by x% overnight'. Of course, they can increase the tax after due process, but the daily fluctuations at the pump are down to oil companies, speculators, and that holy 'market, not to governments or heads of state.

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As an auto industry person, I can attest first hand to the frustration auto producers are feeling for investing big money in alternative proplusion just to have gasoline prices remain stable (random ups and downs by $0.15 -  $0.25 throughout the week is nothing people!) and new car purchasers not change their behavior.  Without a real energy policy, the big auto companies are going to waste billions of dollars and the smaller start-ups are going to continue to go bankrupt.

In the U.S., CAFE laws imposed on the manufacturers don't change people's behavior, only the long-term price at the pump does.

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Remind me what Gallons are again smile

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For us (UK) about 4.5 litres at £1.38 a litre, (US) 3.7 litres at about $3.60 a gallon. Exchange rate today £1 to $1.61. You do the math(s) Brackets are for users of original English.. lol

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From what I read, it was a one-day protest by Lukoil stations in PA/NJ over unfair pricing practices.

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Amsterhammer wrote:

Curby, I have done a search on google and on CNN and the only references I can find to $8 gas are historical ones, mostly from 08, and lots of speculation from earlier this year. If you post a title as 'emotive' as "8 Dollars a Freaking Gallon!!!!" you need to substantiate it with facts and a link. If you have one, please post it, or I will amend the title.


RickB wrote:

Don't forget our fearless leader's promise to make gasoline and electricity prices rise to those of Europe to wean us off oil and towards other sources. Seems that is one he's keeping. hmm
Rick

All I'll say before putting my hard hat on is that you know perfectly well (or should do) that heads of governments have precisely zilch to do with the price you pay at the pump. Whoever is in the White House, has no direct influence over the daily fluctuations in price. Over here, where we have national rather than state or regional tax on gas, governments who may wish to increase the tax have to go through the normal legislative process. No government can say, 'listen up, we're increasing the tax by x% overnight'. Of course, they can increase the tax after due process, but the daily fluctuations at the pump are down to oil companies, speculators, and that holy 'market, not to governments or heads of state.

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Without expanding, I'll point out our national administration's policies towards continental coal and other fossil fuel extraction has had a direct effect on fuel prices here. Agreed this is a touchy subject. I'll say no more. We happen to enjoy the highest gasoline prices in the nation here in San Diego. Near $.50/gal. on average above the reported national figures for no apparent reason than they can get away with it. There are strong feelings on all sides. It is best to leave well enough alone.

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Amsterhammer wrote:

Curby, I have done a search on google and on CNN and the only references I can find to $8 gas are historical ones, mostly from 08, and lots of speculation from earlier this year. If you post a title as 'emotive' as "8 Dollars a Freaking Gallon!!!!" you need to substantiate it with facts and a link. If you have one, please post it, or I will amend the title.


RickB wrote:

Don't forget our fearless leader's promise to make gasoline and electricity prices rise to those of Europe to wean us off oil and towards other sources. Seems that is one he's keeping. hmm
Rick

All I'll say before putting my hard hat on is that you know perfectly well (or should do) that heads of governments have precisely zilch to do with the price you pay at the pump. Whoever is in the White House, has no direct influence over the daily fluctuations in price. Over here, where we have national rather than state or regional tax on gas, governments who may wish to increase the tax have to go through the normal legislative process. No government can say, 'listen up, we're increasing the tax by x% overnight'. Of course, they can increase the tax after due process, but the daily fluctuations at the pump are down to oil companies, speculators, and that holy 'market, not to governments or heads of state.

Warning

This topic is a potential political minefield. Certainly, a discussion about fossil fuels, energy policy and the like, should be possible without trying to score cheap political points. Please bear this in mind and restrain yourselves. The moment this topic shows signs of going south, it will have to be locked. Unfortunately.

Without expanding, I'll point out our national administration's policies towards continental coal and other fossil fuel extraction has had a direct effect on fuel prices here. Agreed this is a touchy subject. I'll say no more. We happen to enjoy the highest gasoline prices in the nation here in San Diego. About $.50/gal. on average above the reported national figures for no apparent reason than they can get away with it. There are strong feelings on all sides. It is best to leave well enough alone.

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Every administrations (both Federal and State) energy policy can affect supply which can lead to price fluctuations

Actually "Big Oil" has less to do with the daily fluctuations than one might think.  Alot of the fueling stations are actually independantly owned franchises and they pay a license fee to use the oil company's name. 
Speculators on the other hand can, and do, drive up the price of the raw material which ultimately gets passed on to the consumer.

I still maintain, flood the market with domestically produced oil, speculators will go find something else to make money on and prices will drop.

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- for fear of this getting political.... oil price and politics? Never!

Those countries that are stockpiling oil are reported as being the cause of the global high prices.... Probably best that I do not mention the names of the 2 countries that are accused of doing this, or the refusal to sign up to the Kyoto agreement.... In the UK we have massive taxes imposed on fuel prices and the annual car tax price unfortunately to combat global warming and leave something for the generations to come. We as a global population need to do something about our dependancy on fossil fuels.

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Amsterhammer wrote:

Curby, I have done a search on google and on CNN and the only references I can find to $8 gas are historical ones, mostly from 08, and lots of speculation from earlier this year. If you post a title as 'emotive' as "8 Dollars a Freaking Gallon!!!!" you need to substantiate it with facts and a link. If you have one, please post it, or I will amend the title.


RickB wrote:

Don't forget our fearless leader's promise to make gasoline and electricity prices rise to those of Europe to wean us off oil and towards other sources. Seems that is one he's keeping. hmm
Rick

All I'll say before putting my hard hat on is that you know perfectly well (or should do) that heads of governments have precisely zilch to do with the price you pay at the pump. Whoever is in the White House, has no direct influence over the daily fluctuations in price. Over here, where we have national rather than state or regional tax on gas, governments who may wish to increase the tax have to go through the normal legislative process. No government can say, 'listen up, we're increasing the tax by x% overnight'. Of course, they can increase the tax after due process, but the daily fluctuations at the pump are down to oil companies, speculators, and that holy 'market, not to governments or heads of state.

Warning

This topic is a potential political minefield. Certainly, a discussion about fossil fuels, energy policy and the like, should be possible without trying to score cheap political points. Please bear this in mind and restrain yourselves. The moment this topic shows signs of going south, it will have to be locked. Unfortunately.

George - It was a front page item on my homepage.  I misspoke, thinking the protest was from consumers not the oil company.  The bottom line here is supply and demand and until consumers actually start practicing energy saving methods then they'll always be at the mercy of the bottom-feeding entrepreneurs.

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If you thought the 'Libor' interest rate-fixing scandal wasn't  bad enough, now a investigation here into the banks and traders thought to have been rigging  the oil pricing as well ! Where will it all end ?

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15 (edited by The RiverCat^-^ 2012-09-13 15:58:56)

Re: Fossil fuels, energy, the price of gas

RickB wrote:
Amsterhammer wrote:

Curby, I have done a search on google and on CNN and the only references I can find to $8 gas are historical ones, mostly from 08, and lots of speculation from earlier this year. If you post a title as 'emotive' as "8 Dollars a Freaking Gallon!!!!" you need to substantiate it with facts and a link. If you have one, please post it, or I will amend the title.


RickB wrote:

Don't forget our fearless leader's promise to make gasoline and electricity prices rise to those of Europe to wean us off oil and towards other sources. Seems that is one he's keeping. hmm
Rick

All I'll say before putting my hard hat on is that you know perfectly well (or should do) that heads of governments have precisely zilch to do with the price you pay at the pump. Whoever is in the White House, has no direct influence over the daily fluctuations in price. Over here, where we have national rather than state or regional tax on gas, governments who may wish to increase the tax have to go through the normal legislative process. No government can say, 'listen up, we're increasing the tax by x% overnight'. Of course, they can increase the tax after due process, but the daily fluctuations at the pump are down to oil companies, speculators, and that holy 'market, not to governments or heads of state.

Warning

This topic is a potential political minefield. Certainly, a discussion about fossil fuels, energy policy and the like, should be possible without trying to score cheap political points. Please bear this in mind and restrain yourselves. The moment this topic shows signs of going south, it will have to be locked. Unfortunately.

Without expanding, I'll point out our national administration's policies towards continental coal and other fossil fuel extraction has had a direct effect on fuel prices here. Agreed this is a touchy subject. I'll say no more. We happen to enjoy the highest gasoline prices in the nation here in San Diego. About $.50/gal. on average above the reported national figures for no apparent reason than they can get away with it. There are strong feelings on all sides. It is best to leave well enough alone.

I know you are also talking about the previous administration.  Let's not forget about them.

We will leave well enough alone.

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16 (edited by Rocket 2012-09-13 16:35:57)

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If it takes fossil fuels to "get away", or whether I should get even further away from fossil fuels...Like this topic (DENIAL!  It is.), I am going Southbound!

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I've adapted the title. wink

We see more and more hybrids and full electro-cars here all the time. There are now at least three charge points in my area - that I know of - that weren't there, say, 18 months ago. There are all sorts of financial incentives to encourage the sale of these vehicles over traditional ones. This looks more or less the way to go, though I understand that a lot of people in the US will somehow have to change or abandon their traditional attitudes about the kind of vehicles they want, or need, to be driving.

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Hybrids are showing up more and more here as well. Pure electric can only be practical in an urban setting for short drives, since the limited range would make them unusable for most in the Western US where commute distances of over 100 miles/day are commonplace. Battery technology is still seeking a solution to extend the range. Electric golf cart style open air buggies (street legal) are now becoming common in my beach community for shopping and beach cruising.  Our famous zoo is installing a number of charging stations in its parking lot.

Huge solar and wind installations are being installed in the desert area on the other side of the coastal mountain range, but are facing fierce opposition from a coalition of environmental and native tribes that want to stop them by filing legal challenges claiming ancient burial ground disturbance and native plant and animal habitat degradation. State law mandates the electric utilities purchase a large percentage of the total load from these sources in a few years. The utility just completed a power line installation to support the transmission of that power, but that too was fought tooth and nail by the back country residents who didn't want the vista marred by the towers.

Bottom line, we all must get ready to give up something for the greater good, and pay a lot more for the energy we consume. Conservation is the easiest path.
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