Re: Joe Paterno

It is hard to suppress seething rage when you see the impact of monsters like this on the vulnerable and innocent children whose lives are forever changed. I had a family member the victim of an attempted assault and could never look the other way. I'd probably end up in jail for taking instant action. My deepest sympathy DKnight.
Rick

Free download from Vienna! http://mbsy.co/bNLR
Lots of unique videos of Joe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwd5vL8fXTw
Buy Joe's merchandise here. http://www.jbonamassa.com/affiliates/id … hp?id=1381

Re: Joe Paterno

dknight16 wrote:
Don&Jocelyn wrote:

If/when you ever find yourself confronted by circumstances beyond your ability to respond, may you be judged by the same standard. 

What a stunning display of a complete lack of empathy... or sympathy. As the saying goes, "Some men you just can't reach."

Some men?  Maybe not.  I was molested by my Jr. High physical education teacher many decades ago.  As you might think, it impacted my outlook on the subject.

Yeah, Paterno won some football games and raised a lot of money for Penn State.  But doing 999 great things does not give you a free pass on even 1 bad thing.  To me, his indifference has become his legacy.  I don't think my opinion will soften with time.  People mean more than football.  Much more.

Yeah, been there with you too dknight16, except for me it was a Catholic priest many years ago when I was a small boy. Over time in my case, the shock and embarrassment turned to extreme anger and then to some guilt. As I became a young man in my early 20's, I actually felt guilty that I had not done something myself to this priest (pedophile). In other words, find him and take him on a nice, long one way ride to the Wisconsin woods. I know, that sounds terrible, but  that anger still burns inside of me even now. However, most know me as an easy going guy.

Should have Paterno done more when it was obvious to him that nothing was being done? Of course! But let's not lose site of the fact that he did take it to the people who he felt were responsible for dealing with this subject. Those who did not act, I hold and should be held as responsible for their actions as if  they were co-conspirators to the act itself much like the Catholic church has had to face recently.

Roy

Joe is the Best!

Re: Joe Paterno

Well said Jane. And to dknight, your post made my heart skip a beat, that is just dreadfully horrible beyond words.  As a fellow JB forum member, I am so sorry for the pain and sorrow you have suffered.  As a parent of 3, its hard to comprehend an entrusted teacher or adult hurting anyone's child. Sending good vibes your way and you are extremely brave & courageous to have the strength to rise above & carry on.

Jane H. wrote:

got to agree with post 18 in this one. Each case has its own circumstances and levels of blame but knowing other vicitms of similar abuse it seems too often that those who should be protectors don't do enough. It compounds the damage and also the living horror of the still vulnerable prey. I hope that the strength of those who can discuss their pain will help others be strong to do all they can to prevent further devastation to people....

StringsforaCURE~Helping cancer patients one STRING at a time.
http://stringsforacure.com/

Re: Joe Paterno

Thanks all for your kind words.  I have to admit I had a heck of an anxiety attack after I made the post.  It's not something I openly share and maybe more surprising to me that I chose an Internet Forum to do it.  But this is a great group of people and I feel like part of a really special community.

I feel a little awkward now for having shifted the focus of this thread.  As BluesMan testified, many of us are out there.  We try to live our lives in the present, but inevitably events unfold that have the ability to take us back.

Let's hope that understanding what happened at Penn State can change the future for someone else because no one can undo the past.

Gibson 60th Anniversary 1959 Les Paul Reissue, Gibson LP Standard Faded CSB, Gibson Gary Moore LP Standard, Epi Joe Bonamassa GT LP, Epi Zakk Wylde LP, Dean Michael Schenker Flying V, Jackson Randy Rhoads V, ESP/LTD George Lynch Kamikaze, EVH Striped Series R/B/W, Fender/Squire John 5 Telecaster, Fender Joe Strummer Relic Telecaster

Re: Joe Paterno

This is a very sensitive subject no doubt.  My brother too was molested by a Catholic priest as a boy and it destroyed his life.  He's still battling his demons and I stopped going to church long ago (which pisses me off cause I liked the religion).  I place pedophiles at the absolute bottom rung of criminal offenders and that creature that worked for Joe Paterno will get his comeuppance.  I'm of the camp that Joe made an awful decision - he didn't do the right thing to stop his predator assistant and he was justly terminated.  That said, he did do enormous good producing a long list of exemplary athletes, was the winningist coach in his sport and Penn State was/is the gold standard of how to run clean great program.  My God....I'm sure Joe wished he could get a do over and handle things differently, but in my mind the good he did far outweighs this.  I forgive him and God bless his soul.  Rest in peace Joe Pa - I'm gonna miss ya next fall and all the falls I got left!

Re: Joe Paterno

Robin714 wrote:

I had an interesting conversation with my boss about this earlier in the week.  I think we all try to "do the right thing". But that can become so subjective.

Being a job that involves reviewing a lot of resumes, I find when I interview people there are frequently omissions of some jobs or extensions of dates of certain jobs.  My boss gets  upset about the idea that someone would lie on a resume.  And feels that they aren't trustworthy in other aspects.  Yet when we discussed the Joe Paterno death and scandal, he was forgiving towards him and justified it as "he was old school".  Personally I believe "doing the rigth thing" is a conscience issue and generation isn't a factor.  Granted, he did report it to his superiors.  But someone witnessed the horfific incident.  It's not like hear·say.  Sandusky was still showing up for work every day and for what ever reasons it was chose by "the powers that be" to ignore the testimony.  smile I could go on.  All I can say is I'm glad there's not a "politics thread" here.   A little spirit's good  but perspective can end up being really controversial. smile

Robin, 2 subjects that are taboo here, politics & religion, I'm sure you can imagine why. 2 subjects I avoid like the plague @ bars.

                                                                                                                  Think Green,

                                                                                                                  J Dawg

What is success? Is it do yo' own thang, or is it to join the rest?   -Allen Toussaint

Re: Joe Paterno

\

dknight16 wrote:

Some men?  Maybe not.  I was molested by my Jr. High physical education teacher many decades ago.  As you might think, it impacted my outlook on the subject.

Yeah, Paterno won some football games and raised a lot of money for Penn State.  But doing 999 great things does not give you a free pass on even 1 bad thing.  To me, his indifference has become his legacy.  I don't think my opinion will soften with time.  People mean more than football.  Much more.

DK, yes, I can understand how your past experience impacted your outlook on the subject, and I take back my statement about you not being empathetic or sympathetic. All I'm saying is that Paterno's actions were neither indifferent nor insensitive, and he does not deserve the tainted legacy that has been unfairly forced on him.

Those of us in PA have heard more of this story than the sound bytes on the national news. Paterno did not attempt to cover anything up; if he had, he would have told McQueary to remain silent and would have remained silent himself.

Paterno's only mistake was expecting those who were responsible for dealing with this crime to actually deal with it. It was the Penn State Administration and Campus Police who are at fault here. And that same Penn State Administration that tried to cover it up then fired Paterno, both to shut him up and to try to cast a shadow of guilt on him to cover their own inaction. Your posts, as well as comments I've seen elsewhere in the media, show that they were successful, and it's that disinformation that I've tried to undo here.

This will be my last post on this subject, because I see no point in drawing this out any more. I just wanted to set the record straight. I sympathize with your experience, as with all victims of this violent, dispicable act, and I'd stand shoulder to shoulder with you to mete out whatever justice you'd care to deliver to Jerry Sandusky, or the people who TRULY tried to protect him, but I also sympathize with how Joe Paterno's name, and all the good works he did over a half century, was tarnished by events over which he had no control.

Re: Joe Paterno

My whole thing regarding this entire matter is that the person who is being accused of actually messing around with a kid is the least talked about.. The whole thing has been about anyone and everyone but Sandusky.


If he truly did what he's being accuse of, then why isn't he the main focus regardless of who knew what and did or didn't do what they were supposed to do. I'm just trying to look at the whole thing unbiased because I wasn't there when any of this happened. I wasn't in the showers or locker rooms so it isn't fair of me to run with what the media is selling as if I know the whole story.

Re: Joe Paterno

helrazr84 wrote:

My whole thing regarding this entire matter is that the person who is being accused of actually messing around with a kid is the least talked about.. The whole thing has been about anyone and everyone but Sandusky.


If he truly did what he's being accuse of, then why isn't he the main focus regardless of who knew what and did or didn't do what they were supposed to do. I'm just trying to look at the whole thing unbiased because I wasn't there when any of this happened. I wasn't in the showers or locker rooms so it isn't fair of me to run with what the media is selling as if I know the whole story.

Because there's no disagreement on that. Everyone agrees he's scum.
There are differing opinions on Paterno, therefore debate.

"Rock ON & Keep the Faith"

Re: Joe Paterno

This is probably the best one liner I've read in letters to the editor etc.

"Joe Paterno was also a victim of Jerry Sandusky".

StringsforaCURE~Helping cancer patients one STRING at a time.
http://stringsforacure.com/