1 (edited by ohiodawg13 2012-01-21 23:51:31)

Topic: Joe Paterno

Sad news coming out of State College, Pa. that Joe Pa is in critical condition and his wife has summoned family and loved ones to his side tonight. This is bad enough news, but it's too bad that one of his long time coaching staff had to put a dark cloud over his final time here. As coaches go, he's a legend.

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Yeah.  Too bad about his depraved indifference side.

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3 (edited by Shredit 2012-01-22 10:18:16)

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This is just terrible news......I knew Joe Pa was sick but had no idea the cancer was that bad.....I HATE that frickin cancer, my wife just got another clear PET scan, now we can exhale for another 6 months

Love ya Joe Pa

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dknight16 wrote:

Yeah.  Too bad about his depraved indifference side.

Totally agree.  For fans of Joe Paw it's a bitter pill to swallow that forty plus years of excellence can be erased with one very bad decision.  Sadly, along with Woody's sideline tackle, this is how he'll be remembered.

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And now he's gone. Joe Pa passed away this morning. Aside from his biggest mistake he does leave a legacy of immeasurable good deeds. One example of his life lessons came in 2007 when a few players were arrested for a fight they were involved in, so the coach made the entire team clean their stadium to show that as a group they weren't a bunch of hoodlums. You'll see upon his passing that his supporters will show there was a very good side to a human being who made a mistake as humans are prone to do. RIP Joe.....if that's possible.

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dknight16 wrote:

Yeah.  Too bad about his depraved indifference side.

Unless you know something the rest of the world didn't know about the man then what does that comment mean? The depraved individual is Jerry Sandusky, who can't suffer enough for his crime and for what he did to Paterno's & Penn State's reputations.

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Maybe I have my head in the sand, but I stick with my initial response to the whole Penn State tragedy: something stinks!  So many things don't make sense.  I don't think the general public will ever know the whole truth, but I still want to believe that Joe Pa was made a scapegoat for something way bigger than he knew about, as in he was kept in the dark, he reported the initial thing and was told it was being dealt with...  I did not read any of the court documents and I am NOT saying he was totally innocent maybe he should have done more and followed through, etc.

The way things unfolded and the swift move to get Joe Pa out...I can't recall any other high-profile situation that went the opposite of the American way...INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY!!  I feel some moves were made to silence the uproar.

My mother predicted it, she said, this is like a death sentence, Joe Paterno won't live 6 months.  This will kill him, I agreed. (before all his health issues sprung up)

I hate Sandusky even more this morning and I never really hate on anyone...

And Shredit, yeah, I HATE that frickin cancer...I hope your wife continues to stay healthy. smile

RIP Joe Paterno

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A very sad state of affairs all the way around. A brilliant career and his legacy besmirched at the end by facts that will, as said, probably never see the light of day.
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Angela wrote:

Maybe I have my head in the sand, but I stick with my initial response to the whole Penn State tragedy: something stinks!  So many things don't make sense.  I don't think the general public will ever know the whole truth, but I still want to believe that Joe Pa was made a scapegoat for something way bigger than he knew about, as in he was kept in the dark, he reported the initial thing and was told it was being dealt with...  I did not read any of the court documents and I am NOT saying he was totally innocent maybe he should have done more and followed through, etc.

The way things unfolded and the swift move to get Joe Pa out...I can't recall any other high-profile situation that went the opposite of the American way...INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY!!  I feel some moves were made to silence the uproar.

My mother predicted it, she said, this is like a death sentence, Joe Paterno won't live 6 months.  This will kill him, I agreed. (before all his health issues sprung up)

I hate Sandusky even more this morning and I never really hate on anyone...

And Shredit, yeah, I HATE that frickin cancer...I hope your wife continues to stay healthy. smile

RIP Joe Paterno

I read this morning an excerpt from one of his last interviews where he blamed himself for not doing more about the situation. He said he handed it over to others he thought had better expertise at handling a situation of that magnitude, only to have that decision cost him his reputation. You & Rick are right, the whole truth will probably never surface.

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ohiodawg13 wrote:

And now he's gone. Joe Pa passed away this morning. Aside from his biggest mistake he does leave a legacy of immeasurable good deeds. One example of his life lessons came in 2007 when a few players were arrested for a fight they were involved in, so the coach made the entire team clean their stadium to show that as a group they weren't a bunch of hoodlums. You'll see upon his passing that his supporters will show there was a very good side to a human being who made a mistake as humans are prone to do. RIP Joe.....if that's possible.

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Very, very sad ending.  Yes Dawg, I hope to hell all the positive things that made up his legacy will count for something and that we as imperfect human beings can and should forgive.  That said I hope Sandusky gets a 10x eternal burn on Main St. in Hell for what he did to those children and his Coach.  R.I.P. Joe.

11 (edited by Don&Jocelyn 2012-01-22 17:57:01)

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To those whose first impulse is to denegrate Joe Paterno for his actions, or "inaction," in the wake of the Sandusky scandal, first of all,  he did take action. He reported it, and he told the assistant coach who reported it to him to cooperate with the investigation.

And second, think of your grandparents. Joe Paterno was from a different generation. Things like that were not spoken of, and probably not even thought of.

And third, when you are honest and honorable, maybe it's hard to imagine that anyone else could do something so monstrous, so when confronted with that news, you don't know how to react. Which squares with this quote in the Washington Post from what turned out to be his last interview:

"I didn’t know exactly how to handle it and I was afraid to do something that might jeopardize what the university procedure was,” he said. “So I backed away and turned it over to some other people, people I thought would have a little more expertise than I did. It didn’t work out that way.”

No one is trying to minimize Sandusky's abhorrent actions. But let's not make things worse by vilifying those who had nothing to do with it. Joe Paterno did nothing wrong. He reported the incident to his superiors as it was reported to him. He did not hide anything, he didn't try to protect anyone. He has said that in hindsight, he wishes he had done more. As the saying goes, hindsight is 20/20. We have benefit of it, so we shouldn't judge Joe, who didn't.

Today we feel the tragedy of the last few months of Joe Paterno's life. But in time, I'm confident his true character will overshadow those events and his legacy will be as bright as ever. But I won't say Joe should rest in peace... I'm sure there's a football team in heaven that just got a great coach, and he'll be pacing the sidelines again soon.

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Don&Jocelyn wrote:

To those whose first impulse is to denegrate Joe Paterno for his actions, or "inaction," in the wake of the Sandusky scandal, first of all,  he did take action. He reported it, and he told the assistant coach who reported it to him to cooperate with the investigation.

And second, think of your grandparents. Joe Paterno was from a different generation. Things like that were not spoken of, and probably not even thought of.

And third, when you are honest and honorable, maybe it's hard to imagine that anyone else could do something so monstrous, so when confronted with that news, you don't know how to react. Which squares with this quote in the Washington Post from what turned out to be his last interview:

"I didn’t know exactly how to handle it and I was afraid to do something that might jeopardize what the university procedure was,” he said. “So I backed away and turned it over to some other people, people I thought would have a little more expertise than I did. It didn’t work out that way.”

No one is trying to minimize Sandusky's abhorrent actions. But let's not make things worse by vilifying those who had nothing to do with it. Joe Paterno did nothing wrong. He reported the incident to his superiors as it was reported to him. He did not hide anything, he didn't try to protect anyone. He has said that in hindsight, he wishes he had done more. As the saying goes, hindsight is 20/20. We have benefit of it, so we shouldn't judge Joe, who didn't.

Today we feel the tragedy of the last few months of Joe Paterno's life. But in time, I'm confident his true character will overshadow those events and his legacy will be as bright as ever. But I won't say Joe should rest in peace... I'm sure there's a football team in heaven that just got a great coach, and he'll be pacing the sidelines again soon.

Well said.

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Don&Jocelyn wrote:

To those whose first impulse is to denegrate Joe Paterno for his actions, or "inaction," in the wake of the Sandusky scandal, first of all,  he did take action. He reported it, and he told the assistant coach who reported it to him to cooperate with the investigation.

And second, think of your grandparents. Joe Paterno was from a different generation. Things like that were not spoken of, and probably not even thought of.

And third, when you are honest and honorable, maybe it's hard to imagine that anyone else could do something so monstrous, so when confronted with that news, you don't know how to react. Which squares with this quote in the Washington Post from what turned out to be his last interview:

"I didn’t know exactly how to handle it and I was afraid to do something that might jeopardize what the university procedure was,” he said. “So I backed away and turned it over to some other people, people I thought would have a little more expertise than I did. It didn’t work out that way.”

No one is trying to minimize Sandusky's abhorrent actions. But let's not make things worse by vilifying those who had nothing to do with it. Joe Paterno did nothing wrong. He reported the incident to his superiors as it was reported to him. He did not hide anything, he didn't try to protect anyone. He has said that in hindsight, he wishes he had done more. As the saying goes, hindsight is 20/20. We have benefit of it, so we shouldn't judge Joe, who didn't.

Today we feel the tragedy of the last few months of Joe Paterno's life. But in time, I'm confident his true character will overshadow those events and his legacy will be as bright as ever. But I won't say Joe should rest in peace... I'm sure there's a football team in heaven that just got a great coach, and he'll be pacing the sidelines again soon.

That was hilarious.

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dknight16 wrote:

That was hilarious.

If/when you ever find yourself confronted by circumstances beyond your ability to respond, may you be judged by the same standard. 

What a stunning display of a complete lack of empathy... or sympathy. As the saying goes, "Some men you just can't reach."

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I still have a hard place in my heart for everyone involved either directly or indirectly in this situation.  I continually ask myself if it was Paterno's grandchild, or the child or grandchild of anyone else who was told about the situation and brushed it off, in the shower with Sandusky, would he have been as concerned about the reputation of the University and would he have simply turned it over to someone with more experience in handling such matters?  None of us will ever know the entire story. 

If there is anything at all positive to come out of this, hopefully it has put the spotlight on child abuse everywhere and people will react to stop it as opposed to telling someone else about it.

My prayer for Joe is the same as every person that I hear of that passes away.  I pray the Lord have mercy on his soul and that he rest in peace.

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Don&Jocelyn wrote:

If/when you ever find yourself confronted by circumstances beyond your ability to respond, may you be judged by the same standard. 

What a stunning display of a complete lack of empathy... or sympathy. As the saying goes, "Some men you just can't reach."

Some men?  Maybe not.  I was molested by my Jr. High physical education teacher many decades ago.  As you might think, it impacted my outlook on the subject.

Yeah, Paterno won some football games and raised a lot of money for Penn State.  But doing 999 great things does not give you a free pass on even 1 bad thing.  To me, his indifference has become his legacy.  I don't think my opinion will soften with time.  People mean more than football.  Much more.

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Shredit wrote:

.....I HATE that frickin cancer, my wife just got another clear PET scan, now we can exhale for another 6 months

Love ya Joe Pa

Great news Shreddy! Please tell the missus that I'm thrilled to hear this! wink

All I'll say about the subject at hand here is that I have seen how much and how deeply it has divided people's reactions (not just here). Please try and keep your disagreements civil.

Thanks.

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Yes, great news Shred. Very happy for you and Mrs. Shred.

As far as the topic, it sounds like Joe P expressed regrets at not following through. I'm guessing if he had to do it all over again, he would have shouted from the rooftops. I wouldn't lump him in with Sandusky's ilk, but he shouldn't get a free pass either. We have all made errors in judgement at one time or another...but it seems fairly egregious when an accused pedophile continues to show up for work and everyone that knew about it looks the other way.
I think Rockfarmer hit the nail squarely on the head.

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