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"Or am I looking at it too simplistically?  So many ifs and buts …

Hansamike –  you seem the right person to explain to me as a non-techie what the DRS detection point is and how it relates to the activation zone?  Interestingly, from Canada onwards there will be two DRS activation zones."

My understanding was that the detection zone notes when a car is 1 second behind and enables its DRS to be used by the driver. I'm not 100% sure yet in the race if that is driver activated or automatic. Remember Sutil practice earlier in the season. He banged the button too early and spun all the way down the straight almost.

But once it is activated the flap is open for the length of the zone theoretically given the overtaking chance. Drivers still have the right to make 1 move but after that they are fair game.

As I said to PIT Road, don't forget KERS. That was definately a factor in Canada for Jenson. His KERS out of the hairpin got him close enough at the beginning of the straight as they were coming into the detection zone.

I mean F1 drivers these days. There is so much to do. Its no wonder they drop the ball sometimes. Crazy what they are being asked to do these days whilst concentrating on the driving.

Tony Stewart tested Lewis' car at Watkins Glen after the race in Canada. It was also wet or damp. He reckoned he got within about 80% of HIS ability in driving the car so he had another 20% to find he thought and then on top of that the car itself had another 20% more he would have to find before he could get near what Lewis does with it.

Not sure about his maths but you can appreciate what he means. He is an Indycar champion, Nascar Champion, Indy 500 winner. So give him a week and he would probably still be slower than Luizzi in the HRT. Its that difficult.

Great to watch though..........

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Stewart was most impressed with the braking and aero. He said the hardest thing was to trust the car to stick in turns at ridiculous speeds for any other type of car. Your brain screams BRAKE but you have to keep it nailed for the car to work. The look at engine assisted aero is now the latest thing in the mill. I think that is the Red Bull edge.
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But they are going to ban the hot blown floor exhaust system, for when they are off throttle. Thats now seen as a driver assisted aid or something. Clever though. Magic grip from nowhere.

F1. Totally mad

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My son the race car mechanic says winning is all about not getting caught cheating.
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Jenson Button - What a drive!  Six stops, last to first.  Lucky, yes, but you have to have the ability to use the luck.  And Jense was the fastest on the track when it mattered.  He might well have nailed Seb even if he hadn't dropped it.  I'm a Button fan, by the way. Honest, talented - and a nice guy.  In the Damon Hill tradition.

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Glugskiclumfum wrote:

Jenson Button - What a drive!  Six stops, last to first.  Lucky, yes, but you have to have the ability to use the luck.  And Jense was the fastest on the track when it mattered.  He might well have nailed Seb even if he hadn't dropped it.  I'm a Button fan, by the way. Honest, talented - and a nice guy.  In the Damon Hill tradition.


Fully agree, but don't forget about that god-awful Head&Shoulders ad. Whatever possessed him?...

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YorkieDav wrote:
Glugskiclumfum wrote:

Jenson Button - What a drive!  Six stops, last to first.  Lucky, yes, but you have to have the ability to use the luck.  And Jense was the fastest on the track when it mattered.  He might well have nailed Seb even if he hadn't dropped it.  I'm a Button fan, by the way. Honest, talented - and a nice guy.  In the Damon Hill tradition.


Fully agree, but don't forget about that god-awful Head&Shoulders ad. Whatever possessed him?...

lol  lol  lol   One of the funniest TV ads ever.  I remember the first time it came on sitting slack jawed and then rolling about the floor laughing, especially the swish of the hair bit!  Thankfully it was only aired for a short time.

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Seb's German TV version gets quite a bit of airing (or should it be 'hairing'?). I suppose it could be something to do with that so far this year he has been 'head and shoulders' over the rest of them!

Enough of that, so finally a bit of sense has prevailed and the new engine regs are a) being deferred a bit longer, and b) engine manufacturers get to choose their variant up to a max of 6 cylinders.

b) is of course a sop to Ferrari who were refusing to consider then rules unless a variant that could, in some way, have some marketing relevance to their road product(s).

Renault were threatening to walk away unless the new 'greener' engine regs came in. Personally I would have let them walk. Renault come and go as often as they want and never stick around once certain goals and objectives have been achieved. They only exist F1 now as an engine supplier having sold the team albeit having lent the purchaser the money to buy it!

On the one hand I am happy we have the V8's a bit longer, but I remain bitterly disappointed we will lose them eventually to something..............a little less.

I am not a great Bernie fan but even he realises 'pretending' F1 is going green is a bit rich. But as much as he always tries, you really can't have your cake and eat it.

F1 had the chance to stick two fingers up to the FIA a few years ago but bottled it when Ferrari took side with the sports governing body. Ironic that it is Ferrari that are now bleating most and it is their ex employee who is forcing it through!

An independent F1 would have flourished for a decade before eventually coming back to the FIA, but as a stronger and self-determining body, protected from the foolish pontificating, Paris pencil pushers.

Green F1? who wants it? who needs it? Make it an economy formula and what do we have next? a world championship for the highest miles per gallon?

Some might say it is a worthy achievement but what about the cost and carbon footprint created to actually get there.

Joke really. Todt wants to cut emissions in F1 but actually wants LONGER rallies in the WRC, and what about Bahrain? Nah, lets not go there (literally). Life sentences for tortured confessions. Anyone fancy a race there in March 2012?

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This weekend Valencia.
It´s one of my prefered circuits. I went there last year and it was fantastic. I hope it will be a better race than the Canadian.
I like the scuderia, Ferrari is my favorite team, so, forza ferrari. 
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I'm sure there will be some who will claim that the predictability of the outcome, ie; a Vettel victory, is proving somewhat boring this season.

I would have to disagree though. Vettel's dominance is an indication of how well he and the team are working together. It may be the rule changes will peg them back a little but the fact remains the current RB7 is a 3rd year evolution of Neweys original design and it is still a marginally better car than anything else out there, but not on ALL circuits.

However, it's minimal deficiencies are being brilliantly compensated by Vettels superb driving. He really has upped his standard this year, a mark of a champions confidence.

Where it all pays off is on Saturday. He's doing the hard work by constantly qualifying on pole and thus ensuring, barring a startline mishap, he is controlling the race from the front. When dry conditions prevail, there are less variables and he can comfortably measure himself against the rest.

To shake this up, Ferrari and McLaren have GOT to get into pole position. I don't think on race pace RB are so far in front, if at all, and even if they are this is diminishing before our eyes as the seaon goes on.

No, if there is to be a true battle then the others must solve the qualifying problem. Trouble is, this means finding at least half a second from somewhere.

It could be that the outlawing of 'off throttle' diffuser blowing will hand something back to the others, but will it be enough?

Not for this season. I'm confident that Vettel can defend his lead sufficiently for the remainder of 2011 and he will be crowned WC before the end of the season-. All to do in 2012 then.

As for Sunday's race? Well, never in doubt was it. Fernando did well I thought so that is a positive. Good to see Massa qualifying well and being in with a shout. Silverstone? RB track again. Chalk up another one - for Webber perhaps. Hope so? He's had no luck this year so far.

F1. Fascinating stuff. Shame it is over already as far as the world crown is concerned but there is still lots of action to come I'm sure.

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One more thing was the cracking low to mid 3 second pit work by the RB team. Mind blowing to see that 3.2 second full pit.
Have you heard of the F1 buyout by Rupert Murdoch and the Ferrari principals? Big article today in the paper of them nosing around and feeling out the teams. I hadn't seen anything of that before.
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One more thing was the cracking low to mid 3 second pit work by the RB team. Mind blowing to see that 3.2 second full pit.

Rick

Yeah, most teams have got the times down dramatically !

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RickB wrote:

One more thing was the cracking low to mid 3 second pit work by the RB team. Mind blowing to see that 3.2 second full pit.
Have you heard of the F1 buyout by Rupert Murdoch and the Ferrari principals? Big article today in the paper of them nosing around and feeling out the teams. I hadn't seen anything of that before.
Rick

Yeah Rick, its a story that has been buzzing for some weeks now. Lot of opposition from fans who quite rightly make the point that with F1 on 'pay to view' tv they wouldn't want or wouldn't watch anymore.

Part of the teams Concorde Agreement states that F1 must be on 'free to air' tv but as that agreement is due for renewal anything could happen. Money talks of course. At the moment the rights owners CVC Holdings are just about beginning to recoup the massive investment they made in buying the sport in the first place. Most don#t see them selling as F1 is a cash cow that they will be able to milk for some while yet.

But anything is possible. Murdochs consortium includes the billionaire that owns Telmex and other notables so they would have the money. Bernie will ensure that whatever is best for Bernie gets done. Watch this space.

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hansamike wrote:

Yeah Rick, its a story that has been buzzing for some weeks now. Lot of opposition from fans who quite rightly make the point that with F1 on 'pay to view' tv they wouldn't want or wouldn't watch anymore.

Me included.  In the UK we have superb coverage from the BBC and I'd hate to lose that.  Until the BBC took over coverage used to be fairly dire with commercial breaks at the most inopportune moments.  I would hope Bernie will do whatever is needed for the sport rather than for personal gain, but the lure of the mighty dollar will most certainly play a part. 

As to the race itself, it started with the promise of some exciting racing but I think 'steady' is the polite way of putting it!  Neither KERS nor DRS seemed to have any effect.   I do hope Lewis isn't giving up on the season.  It's doubtful that McLaren can make much of a dent on the championship outcome but with Silverstone coming up in two weeks I hope he can find that extra bit of motivation.  See, money isn't everything.

Could be an interesting race at Silverstone with the effective banning of Red Bull's diffuser system.  I look forward to Q1 with great anticipation!

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Hi,
it was a very exciting race this weekend. I´m a Formula 1 fan since i saw a race at a oncles home, back in the 80´s. One thing i can´t stand is the FIA changing the rules every now and then. I mean, can the rules not be the same for every one/every time?.
Well, only thoughts...

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There's nothing like conspiracy theories, and F1 is always full of them.

Joe Saward is a well known commentator on F1. He's written for most of the top motorsport journals at one time or another and he really does know the sport inside out.

This article is a blinder. I love it. What are we going to do when Bernie is gone? Transparency can be boring too, but maybe it would be better. I don't know. Judge for yourselves...and read on at the link below.......


http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2011/06/ … -the-news/

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Fascinating analysis. Macchiavellian Motorsport!  It brings to mind the old saw of follow the money. All eyes in motorsport are turned toward NASCAR which is still doing well in this economy. Declining corporate sponsorship has made the tracks the only moneymakers and as was pointed out in the blog, the tracks own the tv rights which is the real nut. There is a lot of food for thought in this blog. Thanks for the link.
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Glad you thought so Rick. When I read it through I thought there was some interesting stuff in there. All supposition, conjecture and subplots but very interesting for all that.

This latest thing with the engines, and the noise they make is all pure bunkum. Whipping up fans to sing a wave of protest. Do we really think Bernie cares what the engines sound like at the track?

I'll admit the first Renault turbo back in '77 sounded a bit mute compare to the others at the time, but when they all started running them in the early '80's could we honestly say it was that bad? I was there. Yes, there were moments when the sound lulled as the drivers of the day planted their foot and not much happened, but then the turbo kicked in and you saw them trying to manhandle over a 1000 bhp lighting up the tyres. Under braking it was like a bomb going off as the exhaust flamed out on the turbo overrun. As a spectacle it was incredible.

Yes engine mapping and management has come on light years since those days but by comparison the tyre contact patch is tiny. No, they won't sound like the V8's, it'll just be different, but if they are screaming at 18000 rpm, probably not sooo different.

No, this is all just a ruse. For the moment cost saving for the manufacturers (excluding Renault who seem mad for it), but like Saward, I feel there is something in the wind. It is all on the back burner for now. I wonder what the next play in the game will be?

I mean the action on the track at the moment is good, but off it there is also a lot going on. As a sport its actually getting a bit more like 'Rollerball', that old James Caan movie. The 'sport' is just a commercial shop window for international finance and politics. It's global, glamorous and a haven for financial gluttony (I tried to find a few more 'gl' words but they didn't fit).

You really couldn't make this up................

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