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Ok I feel like after watching those clips someone has to address the real issue here.

1st- Henry Kaiser should never be allowed to play thru anything other than a Line 6 Spider.  Lets give his dumble to someone who knows how to use it.

2nd- Alexander Dumble is probably a really nice guy who chooses to only make his amps for the rich and famous, however he needs to do another youtube video, maybe in his shop with Joe Bonamassa to come in a demo his amp.  To be seen with Henry Kaiser and that be the only video in the world of youtube of you and your take on amps.... its horrible.

Watching Henry Kaiser gave me a renewed sense of hope that I may possibly make it in the music business.

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Oh Yeah! I can barely play at all and I now have hope. Well put. cool

Rick

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jgalvan8804 wrote:

1st- Henry Kaiser should never be allowed to play thru anything other than a Line 6 Spider.  Lets give his dumble to someone who knows how to use it.

2nd- Alexander Dumble is probably a really nice guy who chooses to only make his amps for the rich and famous, however he needs to do another youtube video, maybe in his shop with Joe Bonamassa to come in a demo his amp.  To be seen with Henry Kaiser and that be the only video in the world of youtube of you and your take on amps.... its horrible.

So these clips are real? I always thought they're a spoof taking the mickey out of old Howard.

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Logo33 wrote:

what is the difference between the ceriatone overtone special and the S&M?

Have a good look around the Ceriatone website http://www.ceriatone.com/ Under the CeriaTone heading you'll find a number of different models.
The difference between the regular Overtone Special and the S&M Special is that the latter was the first model Nik made. It is based on the Dumble #124. Having said that, I'm not an amp builder and I can't tell you how close this clone is to the original thing.
Several people made suggestions to further tweak this amp and out of all that the Overtone Special model evolved. However, some customers preferred the original first version and after a while Nik began to build that again and named it after its two most famous users Sami and Marin (see the youtube clips).
How do they differ in tone? Well, I only played the S&M Special so I can tell from experience. Apparently the OTS has better cleans and less gain. Also there's less of a volume drop when you switch from clean to OD channel. The OD tone of the S&M Special is just fantastic. It nails the Santana/Gary Moore tone perfectly. I don't think the volume drop between clean and OD is that bad. I replaced the 250k "Level" pot with a 100k pot and I simply leave the "Ratio" at about 3.
The S&M Special is quite a gainy amp, so if you're looking for a great clean Dumble tone, perhaps you should look at the Bluesmaster. Having said that, the cleans of my S&M Specials are very good, too. Best thing is to ask Nik himself.

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This thread seems to have died a quiet death.
I'd love to hear more comments from Dumble clone owners. Two Rock, Bludotone, Van Weelden, etc. etc. Anyone?

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Would anyone be able to point me in the right direction, i'm looking for an average priced - cheap as possible Dumble amp for that SRV, Eric Johnson and Bonamassa sound. any help would be great?

thanks
Adam

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Bluesbreaker wrote:
jgalvan8804 wrote:

1st- Henry Kaiser should never be allowed to play thru anything other than a Line 6 Spider.  Lets give his dumble to someone who knows how to use it.

2nd- Alexander Dumble is probably a really nice guy who chooses to only make his amps for the rich and famous, however he needs to do another youtube video, maybe in his shop with Joe Bonamassa to come in a demo his amp.  To be seen with Henry Kaiser and that be the only video in the world of youtube of you and your take on amps.... its horrible.

So these clips are real? I always thought they're a spoof taking the mickey out of old Howard.

This series of clips (there's 8) comes up every so often and always get the same reaction. There's a decent amount of context here. but to clear up a thing or two- This section was about experimental music with this section focusing on dissonance with effects. Yes -it sounds awful and yes- if you don't know what's what it would be a total puzzler as to why "Dr. D" would appear in these clips.

Second- Henry Kaiser is a good player and these clips are not AT ALL intended to show that side of his playing.

BB- I have good experience with alot of the D amps including, Quinn, Fuchs, Brownnote, Two Rock, (I own all 4) and to a lesser extent Carol Ann,  Glaswerks, and Bludotone. We had a Overdrive Supreme Combo in our studio in Washington DC that belonged to a killer player from Japan name Ben Yoshida. That was around '88.

I have not messed with the Ctone yet so can't comment there. I would also say that I would have a better shot at getting my hands on another Dumble than a PVW amp. I thought I commented elsewhere on here that the variations in circuits among Dumble ODS circuits is mind boggling- If you want to dig in hard on all that stuff go to the Amp Garage and spend some time with all the D builders in there and just read the trillion or so threads on the various builds that folks do. It's nuts. Brandon Montgomery has really become a go-to guy here in the US for spot on Dumble clones- His prices are fairly high and a long wait but his amps are on point. Larry Carlton is playing them along with John Herrington, Carlos Santana.

I am a huge fan of Brownnote, Quinn, and Two Rock but I also think the Glaswerks SDOII is just a stunning amp-

Here's a cool clip of Berklee instructor Thaddeus Hogarth and some of the New England TGP crew doing some A/B taste tests on some of the amps discussed here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Fn2M2BMB6w

Glaswerks SDO II

http://www.youtube.com/user/DumbleHRM#p … SiXrn1AuuA

I'd like to see them get a Quinn SDO skyliner to A/B. That amp could punt some of the other clones.

As far as a D amp for SRV, EJ, and JB at a reasonable price- I don't know if such an animal exists at any price.

EJ and SRV both used Dumble Steel String Singers which were Big Iron Clean amps not meant for break up/ Overdrive and are the antithesis of the more popular ODS type circuits that I think you are looking for.

When you toss EJ into the mix I would say a TwoRock or Carol Ann might be a good call though I would not call them Reasonably priced.

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Billion81 wrote:

I have good experience with alot of the D amps including, Quinn, Fuchs, Brownnote, Two Rock, (I own all 4) and to a lesser extent Carol Ann,  Glaswerks, and Bludotone.

I do envy you -- quite a collection. As for me: what can a poor boy do / Except to play a Ceriatone amp. Seriously though, the OTS is more than adequate for my needs.
How would you compare the Quinn, Fuchs, Brownnote, and Two Rock that you own? Do you have a favourite?

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Bluesbreaker wrote:
Billion81 wrote:

I have good experience with alot of the D amps including, Quinn, Fuchs, Brownnote, Two Rock, (I own all 4) and to a lesser extent Carol Ann,  Glaswerks, and Bludotone.

I do envy you -- quite a collection. As for me: what can a poor boy do / Except to play a Ceriatone amp. Seriously though, the OTS is more than adequate for my needs.
How would you compare the Quinn, Fuchs, Brownnote, and Two Rock that you own? Do you have a favourite?

Envy? Some would call it pity!! haha. A fool and his money and all that...My friend Darin Elingson who builds Tonic Amps says- A fool and his money are soon partying. BTW- Darin's amps are bar none the best Wreck circuits out there. FYI

I would say that by all accounts the Ceriatone seems like a really good set up. I just don't have any experience with one and don't like to even speculate when I don't have hands on.

I attend the NY and LA amp shows so I can get a handle on all the goodies-

I love all of those amps- The Two Rock is just a flat out ripper amp- kind of a desert Island amp. Not sure how it gets such note seperations but it is just a outstanding design.

I would say the Quinn is closest to a 80s skyliner Dumble ODS- and great, great amp. As I stated, we get all manner of amps coming through our studio so we get to taste test a ton of gear.

I am having a Quinn Sweet Thunder built right now but that is more of a Bassman/Vibrolux architecture that I just went kookoo over. I need this amp like a hole in the head but...

The Brownnote DLite is seemingly near the Ceriatone class- I did a 6V6 (4 socket) on that one which is unique and works great with my tele- and on country gigs when I get a call up for that..

The Fuchs is like a trusty, killer 50 watt head that has one of the best effects loops- ever- Cool variety on tones. NO pedals needed!!! I don't sweat leaving this amp at our lock in-

Clearly having these amps is like having varying versions of 68-72 Corvettes- Similar but different.

Victor Mason's Marshall collection makes this look paltry- Some folks have spent a small (or large) fortune chasing some of these tones.

My Marshall amps are great too and sometimes just go on EL34 binges-

Get yourself to one of the amp shows if at all possible. I am certain I didn't answer your question but just wanted to highlight A: I love 'em all B: Any one of these amps would be killer for a single amp if budget is an issue.

Also- Consider serviceability -  make sure there is a Good amp tech in your region

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Interesting comments, thanks.  None of these amp shows around here, I'm afraid, so I have to rely on youtube clips.
I agree on the tech. There's one reasonably close to where I live and there's nothing he couldn't do.

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Hi all... New here.

I truly feel that you can try to explain this away in as many ways as you want however what it really comes down to is that any physical electronic component be it a Transistor or Vacuum Tube carries some tonal characteristics that affect or color the instruments tone.  Simply Vacuum tubes just sound better and have a better breakup sound than solid state electronics.  The natural compression of tubes doesn't happen in Transistors for one and there are many other factors.

I had the opportunity to sit and chat with Robben Ford a couple weeks ago about his Dumble ODS which he prefers to most of the dumble clones.  Its truly the holy grail of amps.  And NO you don't have to be rich or famous to get a ODS just order it.  Keep in mind that Alex is a bit of a nut when it comes to his orders.  Being "Not famous" you may get a different placement in the queue of the production line but you will get your amp.  Just don't keep calling and asking where it is.  It will get done when it gets done and you have to accept that.  You have to sign a waver that states that only Dumble can repair the amp and you cannot sell it to anyone else!  Try and find a used Dumble for sale anywhere!  So a purchase of a Dumble is a lifetime commitment.  Also the price tag can be up to $15G for one. 

I looked into buying one a couple years back and have the order form for it still here kicking around.  I opted for a Two-Rock Custom Reverb Signature V2 instead. 

If you talk to some of the more well known tech's you will find that the ceratone amps are not really all that well built.  Two amps that really stand out for tone and quality builds are Two-Rock and Bludotone.  Any of these two amps will provide you just as nice a tone and quality as a dumble IMHO.  And most of the really well known players like Matt Schofield or John Mayer will tell you the same thing.  I think Joe also uses Two-Rock amps live.

The service and expertise at Two-Rock will blow you away and truly its the after the sale service that counts in my books.  Again not cheap though.  Matt Schofield put me in touch with Joe and Bill at Two-Rock and I got a bit of a deal on my amp because here in Canada the only two-rock dealer wanted $10G for the amp and cabinet.  I got it directly from two-rock for a few grand less and only ended up paying about 6.5G for them both but then another G for road cases (and you would be foolish not to invest in cases right away for them)

However you can look around and find yourself a nice old early 70's or late 60's black face Fender Super Reverb and put some rajun cajun speakers in it to freshin it up along with service the electrolytic caps and you will have what most top notch players are looking for in tone.  The trick is to have a good amp tech.  Simon Law (tech for matt schofield or robben ford) will have some great info out there on amps on Matt's website as he was very active in helping people achieve their goals for tone. 

But keep in mind folks the tone comes from the fingers.  But you must have some decent gear to reproduce it properly.  Getting a Dumble or Two-Rock or Bludodrive amp will teach you one thing.  They are very clear and very revealing and every aspect of your playing will be wide open for everyone to hear.  So they do help you achieve your tone in two ways.  1) good quality sound and 2) teach you how to get the tone from your fingers.  A very rewarding purchase my Two-Rock!

Check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvHVUIumLQ0

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Dumbles are great, and the D-style amps are great.  I always find myself wondering why the players who use them do not push the gain, or if they just don't have it on tap; do D-style amps even sound good when pushed with an overdrive or a fuzz?  David Lyndley's dumble seemed to have higher gain, or maybe he just set it that way.  It is a pity that most of these D-style amps are out of any average player's budgets, but then we get zendrives and the such to appease our GAS.

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I like this dumble.  And I generally do not like dumbles. I lean more toward Vox.  Maybe its the 335 that I really like.  I dont know...

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I've read about having to sign an agreement on the sale of a Dumble, but they do come up for sale every so often.  I've seen two on FleeceBay in the past three years and a YouTube clip of one for sale in a music store.  Seems some folks just can't be trusted to honor their word.   neutral

I like the Dumble tone, but I'm afraid that even if I was awash in cash, I wouldn't spend it on one.  I don't like it that much.  There's just to many other things on my bucket list to do and try, I guess.  Btw, always remember those three important rules when you get old (never pass a bathroom; never waste a woody; and never trust a fart).

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Amps: '00 Marshall 1987x, '70 Marshall 1959 SL, 4x12 JBL D120s
'64 Vibroverb - JBL D130, '66 Super Reverb - CTS Alnicos
'77 Peavey Deuce (great for melting stubborn ear wax)

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lol  lol  lol  lol

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I think its a bit crazy and ridiculous to think that Dumble can say what happens to his amps after they leave his shop.  Once they are sold... They are not his anymore.