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Hey Guys,
I've found what I think is a good demo of the Dumble ODS 100 on youtube. I thought it would be a good benchmark for all of you clone owners out there to see how close your sound is to the real thing. I'd be interested to hear your responses.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap6odoC4itw
Jack
That's a fun thread. The only Dumble clone I ever played is a 50-watt Ceriatone Overtone S&M Special. Apparently, that is the earliest of the various D-style amps that Nik offers. I went for the S&M model after I'd seen the popular Sami & Marin clips on youtube.
Gorgeous clean tone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ4SDQWk … re=related
OD tone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xD4Z4jous0
And some higher gain settings: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVEvQWOJ … re=related
And here’s the "M" of the "S&M" duo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3hqfYw5 … re=related
Does it come close to the tone of an original Dumble? Well, I'm not an expert and quite frankly I don't care too much. All Dumbles are different anyway, I've heard, so there's no Dumble tone as, for example, there is a Plexi tone. I love my S&M Special, for sure. If I could keep only one amp, that'd probably be the one.
And here Sami A/Bs a Fuchs and the Ceriatone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIPSvT9NY7w
The Ceriatone seems brighter with a bit more bite. Not a bad thing when you play in a band.
what is the difference between the ceriatone overtone special and the S&M?
I can get some killer tones out of my CERIATONE HRM , Unfortunately I cant play as well as that guy or do I have recording gear like he does. CERIATONE AMPS are just clones at the end of the day same as FUCHs TWO ROCK, ect but the components are probably not as good in Ceriatone , but sounds good to me for under a grand. plus building the amp was one of the most enjoyable experiences i have had.
Is this more representative?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1qCczGgSxw
Also WTF is Dumble on about electrons can't survive in a crystal lattice, is he mental?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVTj08qTwGw
Is this more representative?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1qCczGgSxwAlso WTF is Dumble on about electrons can't survive in a crystal lattice, is he mental?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVTj08qTwGw
Difference between electron flow in tubes vs solid state
shobet wrote:Is this more representative?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1qCczGgSxwAlso WTF is Dumble on about electrons can't survive in a crystal lattice, is he mental?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVTj08qTwGwDifference between electron flow in tubes vs solid state
I'll quote what Dumble says 'The physics of it, electrons can survive in a free space vacuum. Where they have trouble in a crystal lattice. I think that's the best and simplest I can put it'. So is he saying that crystal lattices are full of positrons that cancel out the electrons?
Also I was under the impression that the main difference between solid state and valve based analogue circuits was the way they handle harmonics and the way they behave when driven into distortion and nothing to do with hocus-pocus vanishing electrons.
Is this more representative?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1qCczGgSxwAlso WTF is Dumble on about electrons can't survive in a crystal lattice, is he mental?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVTj08qTwGw
The Henry Kaiser clips are legendary in terms of how nutty they are and of all the clips for HAD to appear in they happen to be this one.
Still, He does not say electrons (you did) he says "Fragile Harmonics" cannot survive in a solid state lattice-
just sayin'
shobet wrote:Is this more representative?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1qCczGgSxwAlso WTF is Dumble on about electrons can't survive in a crystal lattice, is he mental?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVTj08qTwGwThe Henry Kaiser clips are legendary in terms of how nutty they are and of all the clips for HAD to appear in they happen to be this one.
Still, He does not say electrons (you did) he says "Fragile Harmonics" cannot survive in a solid state lattice-
just sayin'
Clear your ears out and listen again. He says electrons, listen to 0:42 to 0:50, just saying back.
Billion81 wrote:shobet wrote:Is this more representative?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1qCczGgSxwAlso WTF is Dumble on about electrons can't survive in a crystal lattice, is he mental?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVTj08qTwGwThe Henry Kaiser clips are legendary in terms of how nutty they are and of all the clips for HAD to appear in they happen to be this one.
Still, He does not say electrons (you did) he says "Fragile Harmonics" cannot survive in a solid state lattice-
just sayin'
Clear your ears out and listen again. He says electrons, listen to 0:42 to 0:50, just saying back.
Touche'.. He states both- Fair enough??
Actually he refers to distortion of harmonics, referring to the crystal lattice of silicon or other semiconducting materials. If you want to see some crazy stuff, look up electron flow theory in semiconductors. Are electrons flowing or are holes flowing through the conductors? 
Actually he refers to distortion of harmonics, referring to the crystal lattice of silicon or other semiconducting materials. If you want to see some crazy stuff, look up electron flow theory in semiconductors. Are electrons flowing or are holes flowing through the conductors?
Still no rebuttal of my point about the electrons disappearing. Electrons are fundamental particles. They cant be destroyed, or made to dissapear, save by meeting anit-electrons (positrons). For that you need some considerably more sophisticated tech than a transistor or two, and Dumble would be glowing - and I'm not on about his rosy little cheeks - from the gamma rays produced by the annihilations.
Can you expand on what you think he means when on about fragile harmonics as I believed that transistors preserve far more information than valves, with next to zero distortion of any harmonic unless they clip. Do valves also not compress the waveform a little even when not clipping and in fact never perfectly relay a signal?
And if 'fragile harmonics' can't be preserved in crystal lattices, then how do little chunks of millions of transistors running to a clock that ticks a couple of billion times a second not lose data?
I'm genuinely interested in this stuff, however I think Dumble is blustering. But I'm willing to be proven wrong.
The way that tubes amplify and conduct electrons is quite different than transistors. The reason tubes (or valves as they are called elsewhere) are preferred in guitar amplifiers is that they inherantly produce even numbered harmonics in their output because of the way they work. Music with a rich even harmonic content is more pleasing to the ear than that with odd or no harmonic content. Cool sounding distortion is the name of the game. That is your "tone".
There are no electrons lost or otherwise destroyed in the amplification process. What Dumble was referring to, IMHO, is a theory that as an amplified signals electrons flow through a transistor's silicon crystal lattice the signal loses it's original integrety because it is kind of like a seive. This is a simple explanation of some fairly involved physics. Hope it helps.
Rick
however I think Dumble is blustering
I don't think this is in dispute-
He has been known to indulge in "Latin Lettuce" Green leafy substance that contains mystical and often mind altering properties. Perhaps there's a strain here in Cali called Crystal Lattice- Ha
The way that tubes amplify and conduct electrons is quite different than transistors. The reason tubes (or valves as they are called elsewhere) are preferred in guitar amplifiers is that they inherantly produce even numbered harmonics in their output because of the way they work. Music with a rich even harmonic content is more pleasing to the ear than that with odd or no harmonic content. Cool sounding distortion is the name of the game. That is your "tone".
There are no electrons lost or otherwise destroyed in the amplification process. What Dumble was referring to, IMHO, is a theory that as an amplified signals electrons flow through a transistor's silicon crystal lattice the signal loses it's original integrety because it is kind of like a seive. This is a simple explanation of some fairly involved physics. Hope it helps.
Rick
I understood about even order harmonics, but I think I'll avoid the sieve theory as it will probably melt my brain. I'll go an ask my friendly physicist about this.
however I think Dumble is blustering
I don't think this is in dispute-
He has been known to indulge in "Latin Lettuce" Green leafy substance that contains mystical and often mind altering properties. Perhaps there's a strain here in Cali called Crystal Lattice- Ha
I think he should eat more greens and lay off the pies.
His statements do make me wonder if he's smoke and mirrors. Never having played through a Dumble I can't talk from personal experience if he is the amp messiah or just another amp maker. I'm sure the overly compressed sounds I can find on the interwebs for people demoing the amps aren't representative, but from what I've seen and heard they don't stand out more than any particular high end maker for me.
But then again I have cloth ears!
His indulgence in enhancing stuff may be the stuff of legends. 
I can say, from a radio engineer's perspective, that designing and tweaking audio amplifiers for guitars is more art than science and that there are gifted people that produce sounds and effects in amps that achieve what you, as players, are looking for. Dumble's genius was in producing that "magic" tone. I don't want to go into it more deeply than that because delving into the vagaries of design would be a tome. Basically, it involves balancing the input and output circuits of each tube in the amp as well as paying very careful attention to wire dress and power supply design. There are also differences in individual tube makers and even between identical tubes of the same make which must be taken into account. Rick
His indulgence in enhancing stuff may be the stuff of legends.
I can say, from a radio engineer's perspective, that designing and tweaking audio amplifiers for guitars is more art than science and that there are gifted people that produce sounds and effects in amps that achieve what you, as players, are looking for. Dumble's genius was in producing that "magic" tone. I don't want to go into it more deeply than that because delving into the vagaries of design would be a tome. Basically, it involves balancing the input and output circuits of each tube in the amp as well as paying very careful attention to wire dress and power supply design. There are also differences in individual tube makers and even between identical tubes of the same make which must be taken into account. Rick
WELL PUT RICK ,for me dumble was a genius
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