Beyoncé (Page 3 of 4)

suhl wrote:

Deezer wrote:

The Beatles at one time were considered fluff. Now, I'm not saying that Beyonce = The Beatles. But, what I'm saying is, who knows what the history books will say about today's music. I'm sure there were people who loved Big Band and Sinatra in the 40s and 50s who loathed Jimi Hendrix and the Beatles, and now Hendrix and the Beatles are viewed as true art. Who knows. Something so objective is hard to nail down, what is art and what is not.

Look, the question is, and should always, not whether something is art or not. Not whether something is good or not. It should be, do I like it or not? It's so objective, it's hard to tell. So it's best to just avoid the question all together, because there will never be a right answer, no matter how right you think you are.

as far as i'm concerned art is created for the sake of art, beyonce is a character carefully crafted by many different people to sell as much as she can for as long as she can.  beyonce's music is commerce, not art.  i don't care how right other peple think i am, i don't speak for them, i speak for myself.  of course there is no universally right answer i assumed that went without saying.

That is extremely naive. Anyone, and I mean anyone, from Elvis to the Beatles to Led Zeppelin to New Kids On the Block, if you put a record out and takes money for it is in business. If it were created purely "for art," then they wouldn't take 15 dollars a cd would they?

her control level has nothing to do with it.  well, i won't lie to me it does have something to do with it.  however, even if she wrote every song and choreographed every monster spectacle award show performance, it is not something i would define as art.  yes, it falls into the medium of music the same way porno falls into medium of film.  i consider neither one art even if on some slipping through the cracks level it is.  for the record i don't consider reality tv or sitcoms art.  i don't consider andrew dice clay a comedian with a shred of artistic integrity, i don't consider beyonce a musician with a shred of artistic integrity. 

i'm not saying beyonce is a worthless human being at all.  hell of a businesswoman and performer, not a hell of an artist.  to me there are irreconcilible differences between those things. 

i don't mind people making money, we all gotta eat and if you can make it doing what you love more power to you.  but, the thrill of success (yes i realize she has more money than she could hope to spend) is what i think motivates beyonce, not creativity, not art.  i guess that is a judgement call i can't make with a hundred percent certainity unless i know her personally.  if art is what motivates her, i think her art is unoriginal crap. 

i can agree on this:  i love looking at her, particularly in that old music video where she had on the tiny jean shorts and the white tank top:o

The Billboard charts tells us that Beyonce is a recording artist and a very succesful one, regardless of what her motivation is, that is a fact.

Only history can tell us if what she's currently doing is art.

.02,
fuzzy

OK last post on this fine young thing:  Last year in a conversation about this same thing, with a bass player who wears costume, makeup and armor...yeah him...he asked me point plank, "What did you think of Titanic, the movie?"  I made gagging pantomines and he laughed in my face. 

"The whole world disagrees with you, Jeff.  You sit in judgement on yourself."   Arrrgh!  Doesn't mean I'm wrong...all it demonstrates is that "All I have is an opinion."  I can't really argue with 850 million dollars...not at my age.

Art or not...opinion.

you are allowed to like beyonce.  i do not care if you do.  trying to convert people to not liking her has not been my cause this whole time.  anyone who thinks that is missing the point.  i am not trying to make people feel bad about liking her.  i am fully aware she has way more fans than any artist i listen to and appeals to massive amounts of people. 

i feel the way i do for a simple reason: to me, a word ceases to have any meaning if it is thrown around.  in my view, for something to qualify as art, there has to be some creativity involved.  i don't see this with beyonce.   this is not because i don't like her music.  for example, i can't stand u2.  that said, they are out there creating art.