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I'm pretty sure the great bass player Lemmy said in a soundcheck once............

"That's not loud enough, make the guitar louder, ok now make the vocals louder, oh forget it, just make everything louder than everything else!!!!!!"

Or something along those lines anyways

Jon

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Budda:  Constantly striving to be better?  That alone would separate you from posers and wankers.  Willing to work AND rehearse?  I recently fired another guitarist, who then complained bitterly that he had given me everything I asked for...for 10 months. My reply was simple.  It's only been 6 months.

You see I gave him 3 tunes at a time to learn (with a chart) and a coupla positions.  A week later he comes back, plays the wrong figures, and solos with the same pentatonic scale he came in here with.  That's not blues, I say.  "That's exactly what he's playing on the CD you gave me, " he exclaims.

Even my deaf drummer says, "You didn't practice, didja?"  Then I get a long song and dance (outa key and outa rhythm) about how dramatic his life is.  I DON"T CARE!!!     The guy before that told me he played all of that tired old crap thousands of times before and he didn't need to rehearse... fat, lazy, flatulant drunk.  Why would you assume you know my arrangements?

Collaboration is the key.  If one cannot sing in one key, change it. and so on ad infinitum.

MoreToCome
FDOL

Yeah, I had hopes for that Thread for awhile!

    Thanks for sharing all those insights, too. It is very informative, and I'm sure will help me move forward.

    Anyway, brush your Acoustic off, Big'Un! I got's something fo ya, soon.

BJJ,

    If you have a six string, go get it! Here's a fun version of Silent Night, I wanted to share with you.
    I don't know if you celebrate any holidays or not. But, here it is:

                                  SILENT NIGHT



 3/4
  Gtr I
|-----0--------|--------|-----0--------|---------|
|-3-----3--(3)-|-0------|-3-----3--(3)-|-0-------|
|--------------|--------|--------------|---------|
|--------------|--------|--------------|---------|
|-------2--(2)-|--------|-------2--(2)-|---------|
|-3------------|--------|-3------------|---------|


|--5----5--|-2------|-3----3--|---------|-0----0----|
|----------|--------|---------|-3-------|-----------|
|----------|--------|---------|---------|-----------|
|--0-------|--------|---------|---------|-----------|
|----------|-0------|---------|-2-------|-3---------|
|----------|--------|-3-------|---------|-----------|


|-3----2---0--|-------0-----------|----------|--0------0----|--3-----2---0----|
|-------------|--3--------3---(3)-|--0-------|--------------|-----------------|
|-------------|-------------------|----------|--------------|-----------------|
|-2-----------|-------------------|----------|--------------|--2--------------|
|-------------|-----------2---(2)-|----------|--3-----------|-----------------|
|-------------|--3----------------|----------|--------------|-----------------|


|-----0--------|--------|-5----5--|-(5)-8---5-2-|
|-3-----3--(3)-|-0------|---------|-------------|
|--------------|--------|---------|-------------|
|--------------|--------|-0-------|-------------|
|-------2--(2)-|--------|---------|-----0-------|
|-3------------|--------|---------|-------------|


|-(2)--3----|-(3)--7----|-(7)--3-----|---------|
|-----------|-----------|---------3--|-(3)-0---|
|-----------|-----------|------------|---------|
|-----------|------0----|------------|---------|
|-----------|-----------|------------|---------|
|------3----|-----------|------3-----|---------|


                           T
|-------|---------|---------------|
|-3---1-|---------|---------------|
|-------|-2--0----|-(0)-----------|
|-------|---------|--------0(12)--|
|-0-----|---------|---------------|
|-------|-2--3----|-(3)-----------|


  T      T      T
|---------------3(15)--|-(3)------|-3------*|--|
|--------0(12)---------|----------|-0------*|--|
|-0(12)----------------|----------|-0------*|--|
|----------------------|----------|-0------*|--|
|----------------------|----------|-2------*|--|
|----------------------|----------|-3------*|--|

    If you want, I could do a little adjusting for the 5 String Bass.

    Anyway, hope you enjoy this tune.

    Ciao for now!

BigJeff,

    Do you have an acoustic guitar? If not, I'll re-do this for 5 or 6 string Bass. I know you're a proud Bassist, but you had mentioned studying a little of other instruments. I thought you may just have a guitar laying around. But, after thinking about it, you may not! LOL
    Let me know, as I think we could do something nice for Bass.

This is an AWESOME thread. Forever I was one of those guitar players that learned how to copy other guitar players.
If I got to the end of my "solo" and the rest of the band wasnt we slid our way back into the following movement.
That was my rock and roll days. Now I am trying to find musicians that can count and understand an actual change and I cant.
The bands I used to play with are all laughing at me now because they put up with me years.

Um yeah Al... I have.  That's a tuff one.  I too have resisted changing some tunes.  2 Frinstance:  Killing Floor & Born Under a Bad Sign.  I beleive that both of those are perfect the way they are; short & sweet.  It's a hard row to hoe, anyway because most players don't really learn them.   Like SRV tunes, so many learn one figure or riff and their timing or arrangement is all fablumished.

Most of the guys I'm with now are musicians.  The guitarist came up with a slick arr. of Route 66...kinda jazzy.  We played through it one time.  I said "Did you change that turnaround to 5-4 1 on purpose?"  He looked at me and said "HUH?  changed it?"

My brother and I do that song with a 2-5 turnaround.  He said lemme hear it.  So I played it.  G-C-G-A-D>G.  He liked it.

IN other bands, I want to change something to make it interesting and I meet with horrible resistance.  I figured out fairly quickly that if I wanted a guitarist to play 12 bars instead of his usual 24...there was the reason.   Frinstance:  Done Somebody Wrong is an Elmore James tune that the Allman Bros did a smoking arrangement of.  The original is raw.

So I split it up. Slide intro 12 bars, sing 1st verse, harp solo, 12 bars only, sing 2nd verse, B3 solo 12 bars, sing 3rd verse & let the guitar player slide for 24 bars (carrot on a stick ) I see people are dancing so we riff on and folks can trade 4s if they like ad nauseum.  http://www.youtube.com/jjeffj008#p/a/u/2/tnt27AQne8I

There's room there. IMO.  No room in Born Under a Bad sign...the arrangement and timing is incredibly difficult and since I've never heard anyone do it TRUE, that's my challenge.

That's probably not what you're talking about...exactly.  To be continued:

MuchBlues
BJJ FDOL

Funny you should mention not changing Killing Floor, me and my band have just gone through this.... We had it bob on first time round, second time the drummer changed somet, third time bassist.. till eventually we stopped till everyone had a clear idea.. Me and the guitarist got together last night and we had it down real good (I found it quite hard fitting my guitar in there with his but we got it eventually) now we just need to get the drummer to get that wash board sound, anything else will just change the song too much...

In regards to practising sometimes we all have a dif idea of how stuff goes and part of the team work is trying everyones idea... We also did Got My Mojo (muddys version) I just couldn't get this right no matter what, so again me and the guitarist worked on it, what we eventually figured out (didnt take too long) was that I was missing a downstroke off (the piano / organ plays it after the riff) and that one downstroke threw me totally out with the whole band...

I guess my point is everyone has to work together otherwise your working against each other...