Topic: How long can you play fast ?

Hi
    YOU GUYS gave me some good advice before on learning how to play some fast licks by building up with a metronome I had a go but to be honest didnt stick at it long enough

anyway just wondering how long you guys can play fast licks repetitively for E.G at 120 on metronome how long can you play 16th licks for ? I manage 30sec then my arm cramps up.
JOE used to play effortlessly. I take it just needs practise:D

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Re: How long can you play fast ?

I play much faster on decending licks than ascending, which is not good because it's good to have the same speed going down the strings/neck as it is going back up.  I can only play fast in short bursts partly because of my limited vocabulary/ ability and partly because I don't like to hear a constant flurry of notes.  I find speed to be most tasteful when used in short sprints not marathons.

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I don't think playing with a metronome will do much good really. I think it's just a bit anal really, a shred guitarists thing.

I agree with stratpaulguy86 here. Fast in bursts, it adds some dynamic. Playing slow all the time, boring, but....so is playing fast all the time. Though with my band I do have one solo that I play as fast through most of it, but it's just a fun moment, not one of our best songs, just a fun one to play.

Re: How long can you play fast ?

stratpaulguy86 wrote:

I play much faster on decending licks than ascending, which is not good because it's good to have the same speed going down the strings/neck as it is going back up.  I can only play fast in short bursts partly because of my limited vocabulary/ ability and partly because I don't like to hear a constant flurry of notes.  I find speed to be most tasteful when used in short sprints not marathons.

Exactly. It's that push and pull between slow and fast that creates tension in the music. That's what you have to do. Create that tension. B.B. does it by hitting a big bent note and then there's a few seconds of silence. It makes you think what is he going to do next. But by alternating and sprinkling in little fast passages, it creates that tension that is oh so important in great solos. Also, something to think about is when doing a long long solo, approach it like Derek Trucks would. I use him because he's especially good at it. He'll start out really slow, mostly on top of the neck, and slowly builds it, creating more and more tension. By the end, he is absolutely wailing, going nuts. But that buildup that he creates is so great, because when he finally just starts wailing, you're like yeah!!!!!! big_smile

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I agree with the Trucks thing 100%.  He is the absolute master at creating that emotional buildup and when he finally digs in its like a friggin' megaton bomb going off.  That to me, is what it's all about really.  The speed can be there at any time, but the note selection and phrasing HAS to be there or it really has no musical merrit.  That is actually what I need to be working on, how to make the guitar speak instead of sounding like a schitzophrenic on speed.  I forget who said it, but when asked how he approaches guitar solos he stated that his favorite solo was the Martin Luther King Jr. "I have a Dream" speech.  I think that sums it all up really.

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I use speed as one very small part of my stlye. I can play fast for a very long time, because I have invested some quite amount of time in speed and accuracy when I was younger. It paid off many times.

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I can play medium, not fast. I'd to be ABLE to play fast... just to have it in my trick bag. Its always interesting to mention playing fast to blues minded people because the playing slow and atmospheric is kind of a trademark of guys like BB King, etc. And we're not saying we wanna play to sound like Yngwie all the time... but a spurt here or there or just to be able to is something I keep trying to build on.

Unless I'm playing the solo from Crazy Train, I cannot play fast. And that was all memorization.

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Re: How long can you play fast ?

SOFTMC, it depends on what kind of a lick. Just chromatics I can play mostly effortless at 120 BPM, some Joe-kinda licks I can't play at 120 BPM roll For example in the Rockpalast DVD when Joe is playin the first solo of Takin' The Hit he plays 8 bars solid 16th notes with a few 32th note hammer-ons & pull-offs. Playin that on full speed is really hard.

Your arm should never cramp up, just try to relax. Just take a look at Joe, he never moves his arm (only in some special cases or playing chords). I know it's really hard to relax your arm but try it! It will work sometime!


Oh and you all shouldn't talk about 'fast'... that's really inaccurate lol

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Re: How long can you play fast ?

Jimi_lp wrote:

I don't think playing with a metronome will do much good really. I think it's just a bit anal really, a shred guitarists thing.

I couldn't disagree more. Every musician on the face of the earth should own a metronome. I don't care how fast you play, if it's not within some scope of time it's gonna sound like crap.

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Danny! wrote:
Jimi_lp wrote:

I don't think playing with a metronome will do much good really. I think it's just a bit anal really, a shred guitarists thing.

I couldn't disagree more. Every musician on the face of the earth should own a metronome. I don't care how fast you play, if it's not within some scope of time it's gonna sound like crap.

What's wrong with shred guitarists?  Personally I can't stand metronomes either so I use a drum machine...regardless you should have a tempo device to play with, it will make you a better player.  Not to get to off track...I can play fast for a LONG time...coming from Shredville, but so what, it's all about phrasing.  If you have nothing to say maybe it's better that you say it fast and get it over with.  lol

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Re: How long can you play fast ?

I didn't say anything against shred guitarists, but I just so happen to personally not like them smile

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Danny! wrote:

I didn't say anything against shred guitarist, but I just so happen to personally not like them smile

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Bands like Dragonforce have some stunningly fast players, Herman Li is lethal quick.   But I can't listen to that for more than a tune or two before it becomes a little one dimensional and soulless.

I used to use a metronome back in the old days when I was learning to play the fiddle but I felt more like a robot than a musician.

tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock.......*grenade*

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Re: How long can you play fast ?

I Hear what you guys are saying !
I have nothing against shredding or unshredding just would licke to pull off some articulate fast runs now and then like Joe, but  again this speed thing seems too far from me Just wondered how you guy that play fast got there ?

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InspiredbyJB wrote:

Bands like Dragonforce have some stunningly fast players, Herman Li is lethal quick.

A couple years ago when they first got big it was quickly found out that they aren't worth their weight in potatoes live

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ROFL I enjoyed that Nigel interview Derek! lol  As far as the playing fast thing goes, it's just a matter of repetition and practice.  I have never practiced with a drum track, metronome, or any real tempo device but I am able to kick things up from time to time.  My speedier hammer on/pull offs came from listening to how Clapton does it which to me is the best and smoothest...fretboard navigation I learned from Eric Johnson with the whole string skipping and rapid pentatonics.  Feel and fire came from SRV and Hendrix.  That's where I'm coming from.  All of those guys could/can play very fast at times, but all in their own unique way.  Speed I think was best described during a magazine interview by Brad Paisely.  He said that you have to spend a certain amount of time with the guitar in your hands and the speed will just naturally come.  I think that's so true.  Just spending quality time with the instrument in an efficient way undoubtably results in more command and cleaner playing.

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AHH
      Eric Johnson now that guy can play and thing is he doesent seem to have copied anyones speed style, sure I can hear Clapton and Hendrix but where the hell did that speed style come from the guy is amazing.:P

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SOFTMC wrote:

AHH
      Eric Johnson now that guy can play and thing is he doesent seem to have copied anyones speed style, sure I can hear Clapton and Hendrix but where the hell did that speed style come from the guy is amazing.:P

I agree Eric has one of the most original playing styles ever.  He's Vai and Yngwie fast, uses regular old pentatonics, but sounds 100% original...go figure!  I think Eric learned a lot of his speed from guys like Holdsworth, Beck, Morse, etc.  He was a product of the '80's where to be noticed was to play fast.  He just took what guys like Clapton and Hendrix were doing to a whole new level.  Notewise, it's very similar but with a little different phrasing and a whole bunch of speed.  He was definately the guy that broke me out of my "box patterns".  He's definately the most life changing and style changing player I have ever listened to.

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