1 (edited by Stratovari 2009-04-07 17:22:57)

Topic: Amp baffle

Hi,

I built a small amp baffle for my Valvetech Hayseed to see how effective it works
in smaller clubs. Its always crucial with the ampvolume here. The thing is, if you put the baffle in front
then the sound becomes very boxy and unpleasant. I was never a believer in having my guitarsound on the monitor
and rather prefer the amp behind me. So the best working method for me was to have the baffle around 15" (40 cm)
from the amp. The deeper positioned audience wasn't bothered with the loud volume.
I was standing close enough and higher of course to the amp that the sound "jumped" over the shield.
If you hang a mic in front it works best with the space (in my case a Sennheiser E609)
I will use it always now in smaller venues. Very good.

Here some pics:
http://www.bilder-space.de/show.php?fil … L1raYR.jpg
http://www.bilder-space.de/show.php?fil … G3GUxP.jpg
http://www.bilder-space.de/show.php?fil … xx8rM5.jpg

Alex

...it's a musical journey
www.u2-experience.de

Re: Amp baffle

I remember reading that Joe has his like an M infront of the amps, so a V infront of each speaker cab.
It bounces off differently and not directly back into the amp speaker, maybe try angling the baffle.

Re: Amp baffle

I Built one identical to Alex used it in rehearsal but felt it blocked
  the sound coming out of my amp its always a battle to hear whats coming out of your amp
  especially when 2 guitarists so I have been put off the idea for now
  but mabe in a gig it would be ok as in rehearsal I face the amp
  whilst on a gig my back is to the amp will need to experiment
   
   possibly JIMI_LP is right needs to be more M shape ??

"Everybody's entitled to my opinion. wink

Re: Amp baffle

Yes you need the angle b/c it funnels the sound upward, not backwards.  It makes for listening better, but it doesn't beam you directly.

5 (edited by Stratovari 2009-04-07 23:40:41)

Re: Amp baffle

Yes I have looked the pictures of several baffles now. I will build another baffle to see how it works.
Anyway, the one I built worked and did the job. But the soundperformance could be optimized.
Its probably a trial and error...

By the way, how much are these finished baffles that you can buy?

Alex

...it's a musical journey
www.u2-experience.de

6 (edited by stratpaulguy86 2009-04-08 15:50:05)

Re: Amp baffle

I run a half stack with 2 heads sitting on top of a 4x12 cab.  The baffle I use is about 4 inches higher than the cab + my auralex great gramma.  I make the "V" shape and I experiment with "bleeding" some sound if I feel that the sound is too boxed in.  Most of the time, I just crank the bejeses out of the amps (the whole point of the baffle) and I have no troubles with the sound or being heard with my 2 100 watters.  I actually like the way the baffle affects the tone.  It's not nearly as trebley and it adds a certain depth to the sound.  I remember Warren Haynes remarking on using plywood and other materials in the studio in front of his amps for natural reverbs and slapback delay sounds.  I feel you get that to an extent with the baffling.  I guess I'm just lucky that I liked the sound on my first try at it.

'67 and '74 Fender Twin Reverbs, '74 Marshall 1987 lead mkII, Metro Superlead 100. Pedals from TC Electronic, Ibanez, Dunlop, BK Butler, Electro-Harmonix, Fulltone, Maestro/Gibson, Loopmaster switching, VoodooLab, Boss. Gibson and Fender guitars, Dimarzio pickups.

Re: Amp baffle

Stratovari wrote:

Hi,

I built a small amp baffle for my Valvetech Hayseed to see how effective it works
in smaller clubs. Its always crucial with the ampvolume here. The thing is, if you put the baffle in front
then the sound becomes very boxy and unpleasant. I was never a believer in having my guitarsound on the monitor
and rather prefer the amp behind me. So the best working method for me was to have the baffle around 15" (40 cm)
from the amp. The deeper positioned audience wasn't bothered with the loud volume.
I was standing close enough and higher of course to the amp that the sound "jumped" over the shield.
If you hang a mic in front it works best with the space (in my case a Sennheiser E609)
I will use it always now in smaller venues. Very good.

Here some pics:
http://www.bilder-space.de/show.php?fil … L1raYR.jpg
http://www.bilder-space.de/show.php?fil … G3GUxP.jpg
http://www.bilder-space.de/show.php?fil … xx8rM5.jpg

Alex

Heres a shot of my "design". Works very well, was a cinch to build...good luck!

http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/pp18 … /Cab-1.jpg

CURRENTLY: CAT5 JB PLEXI 50W, CAT5 1900 50W, Split 4x12 cab.
Fender Strat, Tele. Gibson LP including ole #174 JB Goldtop...

In heaven right now with the CAT5 rig!!!

Re: Amp baffle

Yes thats a good one too. Still I can see the angle of the two shields in front.
I will try this soon. But now we have the outdoor season. There i don't need to baffle it.
Currently I put the set together for this year. Probably I stick with the Hayseed and
a very good sounding Ceriatone 2550 head.

Alex

...it's a musical journey
www.u2-experience.de

Re: Amp baffle

So not to hijack the thread, Alex could you pleeeease post a review on the Ceriatone 2550 on a new topic big_smile.  I'd really like to know how it stacks up to the real deal!  Thanks in advance!

'67 and '74 Fender Twin Reverbs, '74 Marshall 1987 lead mkII, Metro Superlead 100. Pedals from TC Electronic, Ibanez, Dunlop, BK Butler, Electro-Harmonix, Fulltone, Maestro/Gibson, Loopmaster switching, VoodooLab, Boss. Gibson and Fender guitars, Dimarzio pickups.

Re: Amp baffle

Stratpaul, I have a Silver Jubilee 2555 and the new Ceriatone and had some time to compare them.
Well. the Ceriatone has just 50 watts but they are frightenly close if I set their EQs equal.
In fact the difference I notice is the 100 watt has more bottom end at higher volume
(did I mention the Jub has 100 watt and the Ceriatone 50? wink )
The 2550 is slightly warmer sounding. The distortion comes better balanced and is far away from beeing harsh.
I didn't have too much time to test. But all I can say at this time is that the Ceriatone is the only amp worth buying
if you want a Jub. substitute then go and buy it!
As soon I have some time left I will post some clips.

Alex

...it's a musical journey
www.u2-experience.de

Re: Amp baffle

Curse you Alex, I was hoping that you were going to reply with something along the lines of "well it's okay but my real 2555 is definately ______"<----insert your choice of greatness.  Man I was really hoping to get a Fargen Mini Plex that is going cheap at a nearby store, not to mention possibly a Metro Superlead build and Ceriatone Express clone. Now I'm jonesing for a Ceriatone Jubilee clone too....AHHHHHHHH IS THERE NO END IN SIGHT?!?!?! lol big_smile smile neutral sad

'67 and '74 Fender Twin Reverbs, '74 Marshall 1987 lead mkII, Metro Superlead 100. Pedals from TC Electronic, Ibanez, Dunlop, BK Butler, Electro-Harmonix, Fulltone, Maestro/Gibson, Loopmaster switching, VoodooLab, Boss. Gibson and Fender guitars, Dimarzio pickups.

Re: Amp baffle

stratpaulguy86 wrote:

AHHHHHHHH IS THERE NO END IN SIGHT?!?!?! lol big_smile smile neutral sad


I just had the END hit me right in my face...just as I was going to pull the trigger on a MArshall 1962 bluesbreaker...BAMMM...hit with the reality of the financial climate of the world today and got nailed with a rather large % decrease in salary...sadly no 1962 BB or any amp for quite some time now....may even have to give up guitar lessons and other hobbies too....


very bummed....

2009 Gibson Les Paul 1958 VOS (with black plastic)
2008 Gibson Les Paul Traditional Goldtop (with the cream plastic from the 58RI)
> Marshall Bluesbreaker 2 pedal >Boss sd-1> DD3 > Vox Ac15cc1

13 (edited by stratpaulguy86 2009-04-15 01:10:24)

Re: Amp baffle

LesPaul4 wrote:
stratpaulguy86 wrote:

AHHHHHHHH IS THERE NO END IN SIGHT?!?!?! lol big_smile smile neutral sad


I just had the END hit me right in my face...just as I was going to pull the trigger on a MArshall 1962 bluesbreaker...BAMMM...hit with the reality of the financial climate of the world today and got nailed with a rather large % decrease in salary...sadly no 1962 BB or any amp for quite some time now....may even have to give up guitar lessons and other hobbies too....


very bummed....

;
Man that really sucks.  Other hobbies huh? Hmmm.... wink Yeah it is really a crappy situation because some AMAZING deals can be had nowdays but the jobs and cashflow are just not there like they use to be.  Everything in me wants to go out an buy another amp (that I don't need) but I'm also in fear of what might happen afterwards.  I mean there are Two-Rocks going for under $2K, Ceriatone clones of all my dream amps for under $1K, Ebay churning out deals left and right....It's just really frustrating.  If I knew everything was going to be okay I'd throw caution to the wind because I could stock up on some SERIOUS amounts of gear!  I just hope I don't look back on these days and go, "God what was I missing out on".  I say to hell with the lessons, if you are checking out a BB you are probably a good player (definately not beginners gear!).  Pop in some of your favorite CDs and learn some licks, then make them your own.  You only live once man! I hope you get that Bluesbreaker before the world ends and the Zombie Apocolypse is apon us. tongue

'67 and '74 Fender Twin Reverbs, '74 Marshall 1987 lead mkII, Metro Superlead 100. Pedals from TC Electronic, Ibanez, Dunlop, BK Butler, Electro-Harmonix, Fulltone, Maestro/Gibson, Loopmaster switching, VoodooLab, Boss. Gibson and Fender guitars, Dimarzio pickups.

Re: Amp baffle

Well. the Ceriatone has just 50 watts but they are frightenly close if I set their EQs equal.
In fact the difference I notice is the 100 watt has more bottom end at higher volume


Alex this is what I expected to hear . the 100watters always have more bottom end, but the jubilee has a lot of bottom anyway so it is no loss. I dont no why but you gave me the impression before that you were not the jubes biggest fan
now you have 2 LOL. They are truly great amplifiers IMO.
but you have to get to know them to get the best out of
them . but when you hear what JOE has done with them
then you know its worthwhile
STRATPAULGUY - you need to get one these I am sure
once you get one some of your gear will become obsolete
as mine did (then again not everyone likes these amps)

"Everybody's entitled to my opinion. wink

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Stock up on gear now.  Its so perfect to buy.  I can't help myslef lol.  My parents put me on  watch.  I've been sniffing out some good deals all over, especially these 2 Martins (twins an OM and a D) I saw. yummm lol

Ben

PS - If you see a two rock for sale for under 2k buy it or you'll be kicking yourself.  I haven't seen on for under w/o meeting the reserve on any 50 watter or above.

16 (edited by Stratovari 2009-04-15 09:07:23)

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I dont no why but you gave me the impression before that you were not the jubes biggest fan
now you have 2 LOL.

Thats not perfectly right. I like the sound of the jub a lot. But only if you have the volume all the way up.
And here is the crucial thing. Its way too loud for almost evry location we play. The ceriatone seems to be
a bit more generous here. Not only because of the 50 watts it has, also the mastervolume section seems to work
more pleasant - at least to my ears. My impression is the jub wants it all while the ceriatone can live with less...

Ben you are right. For everyone who luckily doesn't suffer the financial crisis.
Time for pretty good deals. Same here. But I also have some losses in orders now.
I run my own business in paintless dent repair. Every business that goes along with cars
is currently going low... But you know, better days are coming now... big_smile

Alex

...it's a musical journey
www.u2-experience.de

Re: Amp baffle

Stratovari wrote:

I dont no why but you gave me the impression before that you were not the jubes biggest fan
now you have 2 LOL.

Thats not perfectly right. I like the sound of the jub a lot. But only if you have the volume all the way up.
And here is the crucial thing. Its way too loud for almost evry location we play. The ceriatone seems to be
a bit more generous here. Not only because of the 50 watts it has, also the mastervolume section seems to work
more pleasant - at least to my ears. My impression is the jub wants it all while the ceriatone can live with less...

Ben you are right. For everyone who luckily doesn't suffer the financial crisis.
Time for pretty good deals. Same here. But I also have some losses in orders now.
I run my own business in paintless dent repair. Every business that goes along with cars
is currently going low... But you know, better days are coming now... big_smile

Alex

COOL ALEX glad you have found the ceriatone to be as good as the 2555
what settings on the ceriatone have you settled with and are you still pairing it with the
BUDDA

"Everybody's entitled to my opinion. wink

18 (edited by Stratovari 2009-04-16 08:43:55)

Re: Amp baffle

Hi,

my settings are currently presence 4, bass 8, middle 7, treble 4, output master 6, lead master 6.
I reactivated my old Intellifex and have it in the fx loop of the 2550 (bought it 15 years ago).
I was amazed again how good it sounds. Delay and reverbstuff is still fantastic.

The Budda runs in the clean channel. But crunches already.
Great mixture of both amps. And it doesnt sound great only for the Les Paul.
For the strat it sounds even great at the same settings. I must say I'm very happy with it.
Here some bad pics. Iphone cam sucks....

Alex

http://www.bilder-space.de/show.php?fil … qbeFej.jpg
http://www.bilder-space.de/show.php?fil … 3oFmgz.jpg
http://www.bilder-space.de/show.php?fil … RryxPA.jpg

...it's a musical journey
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