The impossible combination?? (Page 1 of 2)

The Blues Deluxe tone was a strat through a Marshall Silver Jubilee and another Vintage (I think 100 watts) Marshall... the strat was a plain old strat with all single coils- no guitar on that song is humbucker equipped (at least on the studio version) Joe did play Blues Deluxe on a Les Paul for some live shows when he switced to liking LP's more... you're best bet is to get a Marshall amp- I also have a Twin and I'm trading it in for some other amp (a Marshall probably- I just can't find anything that sounds that good to my ears ) I just cant get a good tone at all through the Twin with any distortion pedal (I was really into the whole SRV/KWS thing when I bought it)...

Hope this helps

Scott

Here is the reprint from Tonequest

I know I have another article somewhere........

Are there any guitars that were predominant on
Blues Deluxe?
I brought a lot of vintage Strats to that session, but the best
one for that record was a sunburst ‘65. I had the matching
pair of ‘63 Strats that were built one day apart that I brought,
but they were both a little darker and not as punchy as the
‘65. When I go into the control room  and listen back to the
guitar, I want everything to be really forward, like that
old Billy Gibbons Pearly Gates sound. Oddly enough, the
least valuable of all the vintage Strats I brought to the
session turned out to be the winner, which says something
about the whole vintage guitar thing… For the clangier
rhythm tracks, I used the Esquire.

TQR: Did you vary from your standard amplifier rig that
you use on the road?

I mixed and matched different things. On one track we used
one of the Silver Jubilees and a tweed Harvard, both cranked
up. We also used a ‘65 Princeton Reverb on a couple of
things like “You Upset Me,” and I used an obscure amp from
Canada that I really love called a Garnet… But primarily, my
standard amp rig is always in the mix.

Have you done anything else with gear that is
worth noting on your last three recordings?
Well, in the past I’ve often cut two guitar tracks and panned
them wide to create a thick wall of sound, and I was conscious
of not doing that for Blues Deluxe. I did use a 1969 100W
Marshall head with a Tube Screamer to drive it on the A New
Day Yesterday CD, along with the Jubilees for stereo. They had
a lot of vintage Marshall cabinets with Greenbacks in the studio
for that record and we used those, but I did use more Fender
amps than I ever have in the past on Blues Deluxe.

I've gone down the Marshall route too- I have an old 100watt plexi (which I've since retired as it's just too loud for the places I play) These days I use a Marshall Bluesbreaker re-issue.  I think I saw Joe using one on the Rockpalast DVD, and it really gives you that 'thick' tone once I get it up to around 4-5.  It's only 35 watts or so- but plenty loud enough for small clubs etc- I use an Eric Johnson strat (amazing guitar- highly recommend it) and an amber top Les Paul similar to Joe's with Duncan antiquities installed.  In fact I have almost the opposite problem with the Les Paul- it's almost too thick and powerful.  I use an old Fuzz face & tubescreamer/budda wah as effects- hey- it works for me...

I have a Hotrails in my Strat and love it.  Its hot though but you can clean it up by rolling the volume back.

well, lot's of advice, gonna need to go to the music store to hear all of the advice myself...

what do you think of the jcm800 (combo) series? (as I think the 900 is a little to loud and big...)

Yes, I'll stay away from the valveseries, it's not the real thing. An optimum would be a EJ strat AND an Marshall.....but small steps first. So what about these amps. are they good (enough) for htat typical Marshall sound?

Thanks again!

I play a BUDDA TWINMASTER 210 Combo. You may want to check one out. 18 watts. Plenty loud for most small/medium sized clubs. And, you can find a used one for under $1,000.00 if you look. Here's a reprint of the Guitar Player Magazine review:

    http://www.indoorstorm.com/newsdesk_inf … desk_id=36

    It's not the best representation of a Twinmaster. But, here's a clip of mine, on the low gain input:

    http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemus … dID=614301

    It's the bottom clip. The amp can do a lot more. This is just me jamming to a backing track, with a Shure SM 57 stuck in front of the amp.

Great advice, Corpse.
    A lot of my students want to get a "Half Stack", when they get into a band. Then, they are depressed that it doesn't sound like they've always thought it would. It's because they try to run the amp with the volume at 2 or 3 (On a 1 to 10 scale).
    A tube amp won't usually start growling until the volume is at 5. It won't start crunching and singing until about 7. With a tube amp, 5 watts can be too loud for a living room. I play an 18 watter at small clubs, and a 30 watter at medium sized clubs. Because I like to have the amp's volume at least at 5, to put some hair on the notes.
    So, make sure you're honest with yourself about what type of setting you're going to be playing in most of the time.
    You can buy an attenuator, which will let you crank the amp and lower the overall volume. But, it still doesn't sound exactly right.
    You can get an amp between 15 and 30 watts in a head version, if you want. Then, you can set it on a 112, 110, 121, 210, or 412 cab. It will still be a half stack. Just not insanely loud.

    If you're playing really big clubs, then yeah, a 50 watt Marshall is an option. A 100 watter would really be a LOT of amp, if you want to crank it up! WHEW! I mean, how often do you crank your Twin past 7? It's the same type of deal, with any tube amp. A "Master Volume" only helps a little. Too much, and your tone disappears.

    Be careful, buddy! I heard that Jeff Beck was going to tour with Guns And Roses, and got tinnitus from Slash's amps. And this was at the practices. So, the tour got called off.

     Seriously though, an 18 watt Twinmaster is more than most people would think. I've played side by side with players who were using 50 watt Marshalls. They could get louder. But, not too much louder than me. Their amps threw the sound farther into the crowd. That was the main difference. Oh, and the soundman would always tell them to "turn down some" (neutering their amps' tone). So, they would "try" to get the tones with pedals. Besides, I can carry my combo with 1 hand, and the El-84 tubes are plentiful, and cheap to replace. Also, I carry a Shure Beta 57, and a quality Mic cable. If I need more volume, I run a mic to the P.A.

    I hope this post is not too long-winded. Good luck on your "Tone Quest". It's going to be a fun time!

I dont know if anyones noticed, but in ANDY live(the dvd) He hasnt started using the plexi sheild infront od the amps yet.  And I REALLY dig is andy live tone, more than any other live or studio tone that joe has put out.  Theres really something about those jubilee's.  I dont get how he smooths out the marshalls so well.  I run a JCM900 and the thing is beastly, but i find it hard to get out of that AC/DC kind of gain setting.  My setting that im kind of happy with right now is Bass 10, mid 8, trebel 2. gain 9.  I also use a tube screamer for some umph. 
I still say you should go with some kind of marshall combo!  Marshall is the cats ****!
Peace,
Conner