Butch Trucks :"I Don't See The Reason For A New Allman Brothers Album" (Page 1 of 2)

If i could afford to pay for all the cd's i want i would, but with my budget i can't.  plus a lot of music i like isn't sold at the local record store.  jeff's resonse was pretty right on, trucks is coming off almost like a bitter old man, but on the same token i agree with him.  to an extent.

but we really don't need another album from abb.  they are arguably the best live band going today and all the members have other bands i'd rather hear new work from, particularily warren and derek.

suhl, with all due respect I think you are being just a bit harsh to call him a 'bitter old man'.

What he said is absolutely true about it being theft. We are not talking about copying the odd album for a friend and then later the friend goes out to get the album themselves.

There has developed a very strange attitude with music, as in, if it is music it is fine to steal it and if you dare to say so you are accused of being behind the times 'man' or 'dude' etc.

If I stole your car, record collection, mp3 player, fridge, washing machine (you fill in whatever item you want) I don't think you would sit there and calmly say "nice one, enjoy"

I agree the business model has to change, but that shouldn't involve or justify the wholesale theft of music as many seem to think is their right to do.

I know people who have literally downloaded hundreds and hundreds of albums via P2P and I know for a fact that they will never listen to most of them once they have them.

Just to be clear, I am not a professional musician with an axe to grind. I am on long term Incapacity Benefit here in the UK and I am married with 3 young children to support so my finances are severely limited and as such I have to pick and choose with care which material I invest my meagre funds in; of course I make sure to invest in JB.

I think there's a difference between the paycheck disappearing and having it stolen from you. This is their job, this is what they do. I have bought every piece of music I have, because I want to pay the people who give me so much pleasure, and I want them to continue to be able to play and put out music. It is wrong to steal from these people. I'm not budging on that issue. Just as it is wrong to shoplift or embezzle, it is wrong to illegally download music. Just because it is "on the list of the world's problems" doesn't mean it shouldn't be dealt with.

Here at ATU, the record industry cracked down hard. Anybody who was caught downloading ATU's server had to pay $700 a song in fines. One girl had to file for bankruptcy because she couldn't afford because she had downloaded like 1500 songs. I say good. You shouldn't do that. Pay the artists!

I agree that downloading music and not paying for it is theft, plain and simple.
I believe the vast majority of people understand that and will pay for it, rather than steal.

As far as the comment that these same people would not think of walking into a store and stealing a clock or a shirt or whatever:
Stealing is stealing and if these same people knew they could do it without getting caught, you better believe they'd be taking it out by the wheelbarrow.

Bill, I agree wholeheartedly.  When I was in retail management we went through a loss prevention course.  At that course we were given some interesting information.  Statistics show that in the general population 10% of the population will never steal, ie. they find a $100 bill on the ground they take it to the police station in hopes to get it back to its rightful owner.  Then on the other hand there are 10% in the population that are professional thieves.  These folks stop at nothing to take what isn't theirs.  That leaves 80% of the population.  80% of the population can be swayed one way or the other based on circumstances.   The key here is to put into place some kind of deturant so that the 80% are swayed towards the honest side.  Statistically speaking this could be huge problem.  So my suggestion is this,  If you are in the 80% just think twice.  These artists make their living recording music.  If only 10% buy the music and the other 90% take it, it won't be long until the whole music industry completely collapses.  Let's just keep it honest!!!  Support the artist by buying their music!

"It was a new day yesterday, but its an old day now."  -  JB

The way i look at it, if i don't download a lot of this stuff, i'm never going to hear it.  i buy a lot of what i can but i share and download a lot too, trying to make my purchases with less established artists.  if i ever get arrested, i won't say i didn't deserve it.

It appears they have changed. No more studio albums. The change was made because the market changed for whatever reason. He clearly says that there is no point in it -- you can't make money doing it, so no need to do it.

They are fortunate because they have a huge catalog of music that is well known that people will still pay to see live. Others don't have that situation.

So, you get the Papa Roach, Saving Abel, Buckcherry new albums and CD's. Bankrolled and booked by LiveNation at LiveNation controlled venues, tickets by Ticketmaster (a LiveNation company), and airplay by ClearChannel.

Established bands tour on the old catalog, new guys in smaller genres work out of their own hip pocket.

That's the business model change.

Personally this is a case of newer isn't always better.

**disclaimer -- that doesn't imply I don't like the bands mentioned; its just how the deal operates these days.

Kind of a left turn here, but so far here are the guests who have been at the Beacon shows :

First night : Levon Helm from The Band and blues great Taj Mahal.

2nd night : Johnny Winter and David Hidalgo and Cesar Rosas of Los Lobos.

3rd night : Buddy Guy, Trey Anastasio and Paige McConnell of Phish