37 Reply by NPB_EST.1979 (edited by NPB_EST.1979 2006-11-06 12:26:46)

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Re: how can I get closer to his tone w/ this gear?

I use 11's on my strat, cause its usually tuned down, and it warms up the single coils i have.

I don't like DeanMarkley and D'Addario strings, can't put my finger on why. I usually use ErnieBalls or DR. DR makes a black coated string to compete with Elixir and I must say they are nice - they last months; plus if you have a lot of guitars or dont play frequently - they will still feel fresh.

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Re: how can I get closer to his tone w/ this gear?

NPB_EST.1979 wrote:

I use 11's on my strat. A longer scale on the fenders allow for it.  I would never dream on tossing 11's on my gibsons, the strings would be rock solid when tuned at 440.

I don't like DeanMarkley and D'Addario strings, can't put my finger on why. I usually use ErnieBalls or DR. DR makes a black coated string to compete with Elixir and I must say they are nice - they last months; plus if you have a lot of guitars or dont play frequently - they will still feel fresh.

Im confused. Gibson is a shorter scale so 11's would actually feel lighter then 11's on a Fender. With them on my LP I can fly across the finger board alot easier then my strat.

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sweeps wrote:

I like the Jazz 3's but i wish they where alittle larger.

Really? That's just the reason I like them- a lot easier to control.

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Re: how can I get closer to his tone w/ this gear?

yeah thats the whole point, just a small part of the pick is still exposed, real fast, and really easy to tuck for chicken pickin.

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Re: how can I get closer to his tone w/ this gear?

sweeps wrote:
NPB_EST.1979 wrote:

I use 11's on my strat. A longer scale on the fenders allow for it.  I would never dream on tossing 11's on my gibsons, the strings would be rock solid when tuned at 440.

I don't like DeanMarkley and D'Addario strings, can't put my finger on why. I usually use ErnieBalls or DR. DR makes a black coated string to compete with Elixir and I must say they are nice - they last months; plus if you have a lot of guitars or dont play frequently - they will still feel fresh.

Im confused. Gibson is a shorter scale so 11's would actually feel lighter then 11's on a Fender. With them on my LP I can fly across the finger board alot easier then my strat.

I am an idiot.  ; )
One worry I would have is all the neck tension. I dont care if I ever ruin my fenders necks, but my gibsons would leave me depressed.

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42 Reply by cj19m (edited by cj19m 2006-11-25 23:09:26)

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Re: how can I get closer to his tone w/ this gear?

hey sweeps.
I've been on a tone quest lately as well.  The thing about the strat is the pickups...Joe uses Fralin Blues specials in goldie and i believe stock pickups on the clapton strat(which i believe  is the ballsiest tone ive heard joe play with).  ive gotten a fairly good Blues deluxe  tone with my strat(62 reissue, Brazilain rosewood fretboard, jumbo frets, texas special pickups.  I know, i know your all saying "Texas Specials are only good for stevie"  you all could not be more wrong,  ive gotten some incredible tones out of those pickups that arent anything like stevie. if you really distort the texas specials they get a really ballsy strat tone.)  the one thing that you need to get right is the delay,  joe uses it like reverb, it really makes a huge difference in tone and feel.  I run a Marshall Valvestate 100, with a JCM 60's 4 12,  its really sweet, the way to really push the gain over the edge is with a tubescreamer,  it really works for me.  but like i said you gotta get really good strat pickups and fool with the tone knobs on your guitar.  its that and the delay thats really helped me. 

hope my input has helped...remember a lot of tone is in the fingers and just the way you play,  to get that loud screaming tone out of the strat you have to play it HARD, i mean like REALLY dig, even with lots of gain.  goodluck man!
Conner

i almost forgot....at leasta 11 gauge strings and a  heavy  pick, if its hard to play fast with a heavy pick than youve gotta drill yourself to do it, it really makes a big difference.  peace

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cj19m wrote:

hey sweeps.
I know, i know your all saying "Texas Specials are only good for stevie"  you all could not be more wrong, but like i said you gotta get really good strat pickups and fool with the tone knobs on your guitar.  hope my input has helped...remember a lot of tone is in the fingers and just the way you play,  to get that loud screaming tone out of the strat you have to play it HARD, i mean like REALLY dig, even with lots of gain.  goodluck man!
Conner

i almost forgot....at leasta 11 gauge strings and a  heavy  pick, if its hard to play fast with a heavy pick than youve gotta drill yourself to do it, it really makes a big difference.  peace

I have texas specials in my only strat, and being a gibson guy, I dont know anything else.  I am currently building another strat and I want pickups completely different from the texas specials. why have two guitars with the same pickups?  What do you personally recommend?

Joe recommended Seymour Duncan Antiquities a while back or Fralins... I'll be ready to buy in the spring, but am getting in all possible info before i pull the trigger.

I hate the fact that you cannot hear the pickups before you buy them.

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Re: how can I get closer to his tone w/ this gear?

NPB_EST.1979 wrote:
cj19m wrote:

hey sweeps.
I know, i know your all saying "Texas Specials are only good for stevie"  you all could not be more wrong, but like i said you gotta get really good strat pickups and fool with the tone knobs on your guitar.  hope my input has helped...remember a lot of tone is in the fingers and just the way you play,  to get that loud screaming tone out of the strat you have to play it HARD, i mean like REALLY dig, even with lots of gain.  goodluck man!
Conner

i almost forgot....at leasta 11 gauge strings and a  heavy  pick, if its hard to play fast with a heavy pick than youve gotta drill yourself to do it, it really makes a big difference.  peace

I have texas specials in my only strat, and being a gibson guy, I dont know anything else.  I am currently building another strat and I want pickups completely different from the texas specials. why have two guitars with the same pickups?  What do you personally recommend?

Joe recommended Seymour Duncan Antiquities a while back or Fralins... I'll be ready to buy in the spring, but am getting in all possible info before i pull the trigger.

I hate the fact that you cannot hear the pickups before you buy them.

Hey- get some Joe Barden pickups... they just got back into business (i think the website is joebarden.com or something like that)... this isn't my computer so when I get back on mine, I'll post the actual website...

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Re: how can I get closer to his tone w/ this gear?

hey sweeps.
I reccomend Lindy Fralin Blues Specials.  its what joes got in "Goldie" his main live strat.  these babies are  excellent pickups, not as chunky and in your face as the texas specials, more of a thick smooth sound with harmonics just flooding out of them.  i totally reccomend them, by buddy has them in a strat and they sound phenomenal.
good luck with your strat.
Conner

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Re: how can I get closer to his tone w/ this gear?

cj19m wrote:

hey sweeps.
I reccomend Lindy Fralin Blues Specials.  its what joes got in "Goldie" his main live strat.  these babies are  excellent pickups, not as chunky and in your face as the texas specials, more of a thick smooth sound with harmonics just flooding out of them.  i totally reccomend them, by buddy has them in a strat and they sound phenomenal.
good luck with your strat.
Conner

Wait- I thought I read somewhere that they were vintage...

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I agree with tone is in the fingers but Im not talking about his phrasing etc. I want the fat overdriven sound he gets out of his strats.
I plan on sending in my DS-1 and TS-9 to Keeley for upgrades this week. I wish someone has a pic of his controls on the DSL.

Hi Sweeps, I'll forward you a couple of pics of his pedal setup from his Manchester gig earlier this year together with his amp and screen

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Re: how can I get closer to his tone w/ this gear?

Geoff wrote:
sweeps wrote:

I agree with tone is in the fingers but Im not talking about his phrasing etc. I want the fat overdriven sound he gets out of his strats.
I plan on sending in my DS-1 and TS-9 to Keeley for upgrades this week. I wish someone has a pic of his controls on the DSL.

Hi Sweeps, I'll forward you a couple of pics of his pedal setup from his Manchester gig earlier this year together with his amp and screen

Geoff

Could you possibly post those here also?

Thanks

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Re: how can I get closer to his tone w/ this gear?

I thought I'd update my progress.

I have learned (thanks to marshallforum.com) how to bais my amp myself. it was way off and cold.  I put in some GT EL34 tubes with a low rating of 2. Now my overdrive is less pre amp and sounds much better.
I put my delay and chorus in the FX loop and my TS-9 ( gain 10 oclock) (Level 1pm) as a boost in front.
Amp settings are:
Pres-3
Treb-6
Mid-8
Bass-5
Gain-10 Channel 1 (green)
Gain-5   Channel 2 (red)
volume- 4

THis way on the classic channel 1 I can get a pretty clean sound by rolling off the guitar volume. For a mid gain sound I can hit the ts-9 and it pushes it just the right amount.
The red channel gives a heavier rock sound and perfect for our Bad Co. tunes.


Im still tweaking to get the right lead sound. Its close but I feel like the tone is a little thin.

Again my guitars are: Les paul Std w/ SD 59's and 10 Dean Markleys Blue Steel
                                Strat w/ maple neck and Shur LP60 Pickups.
                                Tele w/ texas specials.

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