Topic: The Role of the Blues Foundation

So today I made my annual visit to blues dot org, and was like always horribly disappointed.  The idea that a foundation who has assumed a leadership role in this musical community has an ad for a loca amp repairman over their poorly designed (frames people) website, is a bit sad.  Given their constant disappointment, and lack of progressive vision for the awards they hand out, I have never been a fan.

I know many of you are in the same boat.  Even Joe, who is on the board, has voiced his displeasure.

That being said, given the scope of our country, what should the role of the foundation be?  How can it be improved? 

What are some of its missteps?

I will give some thoughts.

1.  Support the Joints.  First and foremost, it is my theory that the blues is meant to be live.  Not on the radio, not in my car, but a sweaty dude with a guitar or harp, knocking it back on a stage someplace.  Why not spend some of the money I give you each month and come up with a tool that local joints can join, like the Tavern League of America, and with that membership they get access to resources.  For example, why not help blues clubs with websites, with social media, with promotion.

We have some clubs in America that deserve better.  They need money, they are historic, and should be better.  For example, Ground Zero.  Like it or lump it, it is a weighty sort of place.  It is also, well, sort of a dump.  Why not utilize the resources of the foundation to support that club.

Yes, there are limitations, but I think there are a few joints across the country that can be helped, and it would serve the music better.  For me, the loss of Legends is an abominition.  The loss of Manny's Car Wash in NYC was a heart breaker.

2.  Member driven awards.  You can say to me all you want that the voters voted this way.  I officially know 100 members, and their votes have never been represented in the selection.  I know we are a small slice, but I do not think our tastes are alone.

3.  Blues in the Schools.  I know a guy, with a good resume who might or might not be my friend.  He is a good man, a sober man, and all the rest.  This man, his label, his management, and himself have written, called, emailed the foundation asking to VOLUNTEER to be a part of the program.  This guy, never got a response.  I know of no one other than Joe and Billy Branch who have ever done or been a part of Blues in the Schools.  Is this a real program?

4.  With that, active support of young bands and labels.  In the midwest, in Chicago specifically, there is a new label starting, with the purpose of recording a new wave of blues cats in the midwest.  Why not help them?  Why not empower these folks?

I think that the foundation is great.  They have a chance to move forward in 2009, but what do you think will happen?

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come on, nothing?

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I think the "role" of the Blues Foundation is irrelevant.

That may be why *crickets* is all you hear.

The only leadership role the Blues Foundation has assumed would be in name. They are not leading anything.

The only people that care what the Blues Foundation does or thinks are the Charlie Musselwhite's of the world that can look forward to selling 100 CD's and picking up a Blues Foundation award every year. I'm generalizing here, but I think it makes the point.

It was a noble thought to have Joe on the board to try and change (improve) the culture -- but the story of Don Quixote comes to mind. People don't change because we want them to; they change because they want to.

Until the Blues Foundation "wants" to be or do something different, it won't.

So to answer the question -- how can it be improved or what should the role be?

I think it should be to support and promote the artists (all of them). Unite blues lovers in that cause. The "joints" will do better if there is interest in the artists. It seems to me if they have an artist or artists that are getting more exposure and selling more CD's than ANY of the others, they should do what they can to help them along in order to promote the remainder artists. Consistently they ignore or snub their flag bearer in favor of many lesser artists because they toe the company line of being a blues purist.

In the vacuum of that type of change, I think the Blues Foundation should be shuttered (or blown up) and a new Foundation or group take the leadership role for this genre.

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Ouch Phil that is pretty harsh.

I beleive they first of all need to realize they need to reenergize the blues fanbase. The don't need to wait for the blues purists to all die before they decide to look at ways to expand the audience of the blues. They just need to look to the successful artists that have expanded the audience through osmosis.

They need to embrace the artists that took the blues and made it more palatable for the maintstream. Look to them to give back. The only way to preserve the old is embrace the new and change people's preconceived notion what the blues is. Basically a PR campaign. Reach out to the Claptons, Becks, Rod Stewarts, Steve Millers, Allman Brothers you get the idea. Embrace the new generation of blues artists like JJ Gray, NMA, Black Keys,  and yes even Joe B.

There is a place in history for the founding fathers of the blues but the blues foundation has become nothing more than a historical society. In the construction industry we refer them to the Hysterical societies.

The International Blues Competition is a great event but it shouldn't overshadow everything else that the Blues Foundation does. The Blues in the School program should be the focus year around but it just doesn't have any legs of it's own. The BITS program is the future of the blues.

As a one time president of a local society and candidate for the Board of directors I have strong feelings about what is wrong with it but to tell you the truth I have no motivation to try to help fix the problem. I don't think they think their is a problem with the way things are which is exactly what Phil is saying.

I agree Dino the Foundation is a noble cause and should be leaders in the support of the blues genre'. I just think they can't see the forrest for the trees.

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Well Moods and Cornell...I am in.  Let us create our own foundation.  I am totally serious here.  Let us, with some computer guys, and great database management...create  the new foundation.

With Bonamassa fans alone, we would have a solid mandate.

Who is in?

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Grumble, curse, spit, snort. 

Somewhere in the middle is an answer.  The purist part of me does not want to go to a blues jam and hear Classic Rock.  If I can hear it on the radio...No No No.

However given that "Blues" is a constantly evolving art or state of being,  I welcome a new take on an old standard.  What I want, what I believe, doesn't come off properly in print or in words.  I can't define it with rules.  I welcome equally a new take that will become a new standard.

The foundation is an aging lion, toothless and somewhat flaccid.  I wouldn't euthanize it and replace it with death metal stoner rockers.  or shredders...but,

I would be interested in keeping them honest.  Even our precious Rory G was often a boogie woogie player.  Bullfrog Blues for example?  Doesn't make it bad, by any stretch, but it doesn't make it blues either.  What it did was give a contrast and therefore more power to what blues was played.

Joe is a good example of that.  Belts out some roaring British 70s blues rock and then grabs you by the throat till you beg for mercy with So Many Roads or Blues Deluxe.

Phil is right about this. "Until the Blues Foundation "wants" to be or do something different, it won't."  TRUE DAT!

Our local society is presidented by a dinosaur at the age of 37.  He says one thing and does another.  He's patheticly full of crap.  Won't relinquish power, so his sandbox is now a kitty litter box.  It is the microcosm.

The Blues Foundation is the macrocosm.  So don't look at me.  The whole scenario raises my blood pressure.  Leadership? pfui.

Harrumph I say!
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The Blues Foundation's job should be to help promote the overall genre of the blues. But instead, they choose to tell you what blues is and won't budge from it. To hell with them, start our own, and let's get going.

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Deezer wrote:

The Blues Foundation's job should be to help promote the overall genre of the blues. But instead, they choose to tell you what blues is and won't budge from it. To hell with them, start our own, and let's get going.

I agree. Those guys mean nothing to me!

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So, who is in?  Who wants to shake it up?  Put themselves on the line.  I am fine with shouting into the wind in public.

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I got no problem with raising a little stink and voicing dissent. I just have a hard time with raising money. So does the Blues Foundation. Thankfully the internet doesn't cost much to use.

So what you got in mind? If it is too radical feel free to go of the board with it. We would hate for Joe to be guilty by association with the blasphamy we are speaking.

They just don't need anymore reason to dispise him than they already do. I must as a disclaimer add that there are many fans and supporters of Joe at the Blues Foundation. They are in the minority I beleive.

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Every time I look at this thread......I hear the same old song....

".....the takers get the honey, givers sing the blues......"

Before you jump, let me ask you this:

Are you in it for the honey or are you in it for the blues??????




Me, I'm too rolling stoned. Think I'll just sit this one out.

Spider

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So, I will start with what I have in mind.  Let us say we utilize some of the folks here, some of the folks on our individual friends, etc.

Let us start simple...

Create a website with a few databases useful to musicians, and venues.

1.  A list of venues.  LIsted by region.  So agents and artists in vans can connect a tuesday to a wednesday night gig.

2.  a list of media outlets, again by region.

What do we want in return...who knows.

But we make this information what we start with.  We work with some cool as database kids, and we find the info, and they build it.  Then it becomes a tool.  Then artist start showing up.

Then, we go from there.

We get some people to write and review releases.  We get some artists to sign up with on the road blogging.  We can use Wordpress MU for this, and they can do it from their blackberry.  Embrace the microblog tool of twitter.  Teach the artists about social media.

Then, after we get going, we start our own set of tools to promote the artist that we like.  Like all of this, there will be fighting, but the fighting is fun.

We all agree that youth, and the future needs to be served.  How we serve it and what youth we need to reach, well that is up in the air.

Someone has to be a teacher, and that person can create a real and workable model for an actually used Blues in The Schools.  We create a tool kit, and we offer a sort of certification for the artist that have it together enough to actually do this.  The sober guys who you would let hang out with your  daughters.

Then in a couple of years, we get a financial guy.  Someone that can help musicians create a Roth or something account.  Retirement money.  Someone trustworthy.

We find an insurance guy.  That guy teaches us how we can get insurance for musicians, even if it just connecting him to them.  We screen the guy, and we as a collective suggest him to people.

We work with labels.  We offer them these tools.

These tools are prfitable for the insurance guy, and the financial guy, so we ask those guys for a percentage.  Not a lot, just enough to keep Moods in plane tickets around the country.

Then, in year two, we have a show.  Maybe in Florida by Big Jeff.  We invite EC Scott, a few others, and we give some speeches, maybe we give Buddy a lifetime acheivement award.  I am sure I can get him to Florida.

Then we all sleep at Big Jeffs house, and he makes chilli.

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I must be losing my mind.  I'm sitting at my day gig, having read this earlier, daydreaming about how this might work...

...dammit Dino.  I don't have time for this...uh weakening...noooooooooooo

back to work
oh sorry

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The Roll of the Blues Foundation is not unfunded...
The Role of the Blues foundation is unfounded...

Sorry Jeff I work nights, back to sleep fer me -"Snore"...

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A supreme lack of advertising and marketing prowess is something that should be considered when declaring the present state of the Blues Foundation.

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Thats great Jane.  Thanks for the positive affirmation.

ITS AN IDEA.

A transparent one at that.

I love that you see me as a villian.

Dear Lord...people complained that the Blues Foundation does not work.  I asked some questions, which did not get answered too much, and then I had another idea.

None of which gets me anything, anything at all.

But you see me as a villian and choose to publicly question my motives.

Even with the other thing, the radio show, I explained how I was not manipulating anyone, that I did not gain anything from your listenership or by playing your guys music.  And for the record, I never asked for a favor. 

People come on ths forum and put up their own youtube videos, their own band notices, they talk about this band that they love or that band they love, and where are your motive police antennae then?  They promote other bands than Joe.  Not in some informative way, not in a way that does not get them something.

Yet, we still do this dance.

Whatever.  Maybe we should all go back to talking about amps, and cords, and not try to find away to make the music we love a sustainable thing, or a supported thing.

Thanks Jane.

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"i doubt you want it but my advice is to dwell on the above quoted statement. there have been a number of posts you have made here that besides me likely misunderstanding completely, you seemed to have said similar things. In my experience, which is surely different than most people's, offering something with a desire to have something in return, especially something unknown, is a real roadblock"

How should I take that Jane?  Given the response the radio thing.  How would you take that?

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Dino wrote:

So, I will start with what I have in mind.  Let us say we utilize some of the folks here, some of the folks on our individual friends, etc.

Let us start simple...

Create a website with a few databases useful to musicians, and venues.

1.  A list of venues.  LIsted by region.  So agents and artists in vans can connect a tuesday to a wednesday night gig.

2.  a list of media outlets, again by region.

What do we want in return...who knows.

But we make this information what we start with.  We work with some cool as database kids, and we find the info, and they build it.  Then it becomes a tool.  Then artist start showing up.

Then, we go from there.

We get some people to write and review releases.  We get some artists to sign up with on the road blogging.  We can use Wordpress MU for this, and they can do it from their blackberry.  Embrace the microblog tool of twitter.  Teach the artists about social media.

Then, after we get going, we start our own set of tools to promote the artist that we like.  Like all of this, there will be fighting, but the fighting is fun.

We all agree that youth, and the future needs to be served.  How we serve it and what youth we need to reach, well that is up in the air.

Someone has to be a teacher, and that person can create a real and workable model for an actually used Blues in The Schools.  We create a tool kit, and we offer a sort of certification for the artist that have it together enough to actually do this.  The sober guys who you would let hang out with your  daughters.

Then in a couple of years, we get a financial guy.  Someone that can help musicians create a Roth or something account.  Retirement money.  Someone trustworthy.

We find an insurance guy.  That guy teaches us how we can get insurance for musicians, even if it just connecting him to them.  We screen the guy, and we as a collective suggest him to people.

We work with labels.  We offer them these tools.

These tools are prfitable for the insurance guy, and the financial guy, so we ask those guys for a percentage.  Not a lot, just enough to keep Moods in plane tickets around the country.

Then, in year two, we have a show.  Maybe in Florida by Big Jeff.  We invite EC Scott, a few others, and we give some speeches, maybe we give Buddy a lifetime acheivement award.  I am sure I can get him to Florida.

Then we all sleep at Big Jeffs house, and he makes chilli.

I always said that I have been trying to make this music thing a self supporting hobby problem is when you are a non profit you not only have to answer to the IRS but to your Board of Directors and Donors.

I think the first official act should be to see what the state of the blues is in the UK on or about the 4th of May.

I do agree that the Blues in the Schools is the most under utilized program the Blue Foundation has and they should prioritize that. You think they have a copyright on that Dino?

The blues circuit what is left of it is dying. I don't know if it needs to be resurected or buried and started over. There are venues across the US that do a mixture with blues mixed in. Hell BB Kings in NYC hardly has any blues. Venues that book a mixture that might book the blues just need to be able to sell tickets. To sell tickets you have to have an audience for it. The 50 somethings just don't go out much. You need to young down the audience for the blues to survive. The guys that are struggling now may never reap the benefits but the young bands can.