The official forum for all things Joe Bonamassa, guitars and blues music
You are not logged in. Please login or register.
Joe Bonamassa Forum → Other Artists → Clapton discussion
Nah, I promised I wouldn't.
Angela, we meant the Gary Moore thread which is still smoking even though it's been closed 
Oh go ahead and post it here just for grins. Nobody will notice.
gsj-that's what I get for being a skim reader sometimes. I wish all good things for you in '09! 
greenose-about the avator...would love to see Joe slide behind that wheel of the cadillac with Eric and B.B and the three do an album, Riding with the King II! I was thinking Joe should bring the Gigliotti, now its probably his LesPaul. I'm not too techy, Jane helped me upload that and switch from another avator when the forum crowd was going too negative on Eric before, she cropped this for my former avator...sorta' makes my peaceful statement!
http://www.amazon.com/E-C-Was-Here-Eric … B000002G8D
Nah, I promised I wouldn't.
Angela, we meant the Gary Moore thread which is still smoking even though it's been closed
jim m wrote:Oh go ahead and post it here just for grins. Nobody will notice.
A man of great restraint...proud of ya.
Hi Angela
Thanks for the link. That other avator was a little cheeky. Interesting that the summary describes EC Was Here as:
"A 1975 live album that found Clapton at--if you'll pardon the expression--a crossroads, E.C. Was Here marks the line of demarcation between the guitar hero of the past and more song-oriented player he'd become for the second half of the '70s". I guess more song orientated is how Joe would also describe himself currently too.
I was also thinking about your comments about HTCT and Eric's influence on Joe. It prompted me to listen to Joe's version of "Reconsider Baby" from that album and then compare it to Eric's version on From The Cradle. The Clapton version is certainly far closer to Lowell Fulson's swinging original than Joe's later slower version. Its interesting to read Joe's comments on his album where he said he learned the song from hearing Robert Cray play it, however he says he used a "more English approach" and refers to the sound "that takes you back to Royal Albert Hall circa 1968". So perhaps in that case Joe was more inspired by the sound of Cream in 1968 than Eric's interpretation of the song in 1994. Certainly I would say that I feel Joe gave the song a more individual stamp than Clapton did. Interestingly the song on From The Cradle before Reconsider Baby is Eddie Boyd's Third Degree and Eric does an authentic version of this song which Eddie recorded on his 1968 album 7936 South Rhodes with none other than Peter Green on guitar, so maybe that is a case of Clapton has been influenced by Green!
Joe with BB King in the studio would certainly be an interesting proposition, whether Clapton was also invited to the party may depend on his footware!
This discussion has been interesting, what I would say about my position is that when I started getting into music in the late 1980s and early 1990s, it was predominately hard rock. Coming from that angle Rory Gallagher certainly had appeal as he could rock out, whilst Peter Green was credible as his work had been covered by bands like Aerosmith, Judas Priest, Gary Moore. In contrast Clapton was someone I was aware of, but he seemed of little relevance to my music taste at the time due to commerical nature of the music he was producing at the time. It was through guys like Green, Gallagher and Free that I got to like conventional blues artists like Muddy, Wolf and the three Kings. What really got me excited what that there was a guy in Joe who was the same age to me, who was covering Rory and Free from his very first album!
I can see that for others they have been brought to Joe via an early love of Clapton's early music, his more recent work, from Stevie Ray Vaughan, and a whole host of other artists in both genres of rock and blues. This variety of different musical backgrounds is what makes the forum an excellent mix. On a regular basis we see the disagreements about what Joe may represent (blues, guitar, entertainment?) and that's what makes the forum such an absorbing place! We may disagree at times over the other artists we champion besides Joe, but hopefully the positive side of this is that we bring to the attention of other forum users other artists that they may also enjoy.
Peace to all and sorry if any of my comments on Clapton seemed a little harsh at times, but believe me, I have mellowed over the last 15 years! In another 15 years, I may be his biggest fan (and own a pair of slippers).
Eva-So you think you can have your cake and eat it too...ha, ha...dissing Paul but defending John...:D
Angela, of course I never meant to diss Paul - the JB-Forum-FabFour-Fanclub has to be loyal to all of them!
I do like John´s and George´s solo work better than Paul´s, but of course he has also released great music since the end of the Beatles. Very strange story about Ringo though ...
I think I should rename this thread into "Let´s all talk about EricClaptonPeterGreenRoryGallagherBBKingFlanelShortsShoesIceCreamWhatever..." - love it!
Eva
Hi Angela
Thanks for the link. That other avator was a little cheeky.
"A 1975 live album that found Clapton at--if you'll pardon the expression--a crossroads, E.C. Was Here marks the line of demarcation between the guitar hero of the past and more song-oriented player he'd become for the second half of the '70s". I guess more song orientated is how Joe would also describe himself currently too.I was also thinking about your comments about HTCT and Eric's influence on Joe. It prompted me to listen to Joe's version of "Reconsider Baby" from that album and then compare it to Eric's version on From The Cradle. The Clapton version is certainly far closer to Lowell Fulson's swinging original than Joe's later slower version. Its interesting to read Joe's comments on his album where he said he learned the song from hearing Robert Cray play it, however he says he used a "more English approach" and refers to the sound "that takes you back to Royal Albert Hall circa 1968". So perhaps in that case Joe was more inspired by the sound of Cream in 1968 than Eric's interpretation of the song in 1994. Certainly I would say that I feel Joe gave the song a more individual stamp than Clapton did. Interestingly the song on From The Cradle before Reconsider Baby is Eddie Boyd's Third Degree and Eric does an authentic version of this song which Eddie recorded on his 1968 album 7936 South Rhodes with none other than Peter Green on guitar, so maybe that is a case of Clapton has been influenced by Green!
Joe with BB King in the studio would certainly be an interesting proposition, whether Clapton was also invited to the party may depend on his footware!
This discussion has been interesting, what I would say about my position is that when I started getting into music in the late 1980s and early 1990s, it was predominately hard rock. Coming from that angle Rory Gallagher certainly had appeal as he could rock out, whilst Peter Green was credible as his work had been covered by bands like Aerosmith, Judas Priest, Gary Moore. In contrast Clapton was someone I was aware of, but he seemed of little relevance to my music taste at the time due to commerical nature of the music he was producing at the time. It was through guys like Green, Gallagher and Free that I got to like conventional blues artists like Muddy, Wolf and the three Kings. What really got me excited what that there was a guy in Joe who was the same age to me, who was covering Rory and Free from his very first album!
I can see that for others they have been brought to Joe via an early love of Clapton's early music, his more recent work, from Stevie Ray Vaughan, and a whole host of other artists in both genres of rock and blues. This variety of different musical backgrounds is what makes the forum an excellent mix. On a regular basis we see the disagreements about what Joe may represent (blues, guitar, entertainment?) and that's what makes the forum such an absorbing place! We may disagree at times over the other artists we champion besides Joe, but hopefully the positive side of this is that we bring to the attention of other forum users other artists that they may also enjoy.
Peace to all and sorry if any of my comments on Clapton seemed a little harsh at times, but believe me, I have mellowed over the last 15 years! In another 15 years, I may be his biggest fan (and own a pair of slippers).
Very comprehensive reply there, of course Green and Clapton came out of the same band - John Mayals' Bluesbreakers, (And McVie, of course.) in fact Green replaced Clapton after Eric decided to take an extended break in Greece .
BluesMan wrote:But I will say this; John is a Legend because he was shot to death on a New York City street.
Oh oh, better be careful: you mess with John, you mess with me - but let´s not get another discussion started, because I will turn into a little scary beast in order to defend John Lennon (and Yoko Ono if I have to!).
Who can we discuss about next?!
Eva
Hey, what about Deezer? 
Oh my, I hate it when I crack myself up! Actually we better not discuss Deezer, if people got this excited over Clapton what's next, the Great Flannel debate of 2009? Damn, there I go again!!
Roy
P.S. Yes Keith, young people don't realize that back in the day, flannel shirts were the "In Thing" for a while. Heck, I'll bet John even wore some too. Of course, you'd never see Mick in one. I wonder if Joe has any in his closet?
What about Deezer, Roy?
What about Deezer, Roy?
Not a thing Deez, I just thought it was funny when someone said you and Duncan should be attorneys. What's really funny is that I've said that a thousand times about my 11 year old son. We actually call him the "Great Debater". It just cracks me up, because no matter what he hears or is told, he always has a come back argument. But of course, I'm not saying you're like that......no not me, no Sir!
Roy
I skim too Angela ............. and also wish you all that you wish for in 09.
Eric...(I haven't really joined in yet.......because I skim ) If it wasn't for Eric then I wouldn't be playing guitar. So, if it wasn't for Eric I wouldn't have any income at all right now. (Damn, I always wanted to turn pro and just have at 50 years of age). I don't care what he wears, I don't care that he is 'popular', I don't care if he wears his musical taste's on his sleeve sometimes. He has influenced more than one generation. He has earned a living from wearing a guitar around his neck so, in my book at least, respect is due.
When the young get to be older (if they're that lucky) some kid will diss 'em. Who cares. It's called 'the generation gap'. I like it that way.
Mind the gap!!
gsj-that's what I get for being a skim reader sometimes. I wish all good things for you in '09!
greenose-about the avator...would love to see Joe slide behind that wheel of the cadillac with Eric and B.B and the three do an album, Riding with the King II! I was thinking Joe should bring the Gigliotti, now its probably his LesPaul. I'm not too techy, Jane helped me upload that and switch from another avator when the forum crowd was going too negative on Eric before, she cropped this for my former avator...sorta' makes my peaceful statement!
http://www.amazon.com/E-C-Was-Here-Eric … B000002G8D
Hi Angela
Thanks for the link. That other avator was a little cheeky.
"A 1975 live album that found Clapton at--if you'll pardon the expression--a crossroads, E.C. Was Here marks the line of demarcation between the guitar hero of the past and more song-oriented player he'd become for the second half of the '70s". I guess more song orientated is how Joe would also describe himself currently too.
Funny how you should mention this one, as when it came out, we all thought it was fantastic that Eric was finally playing some great guitar again. Great live album, and you'd think EC was back in top form, until you find out that the majority of the great guitar work contained on this one was done by George Terry, a long time Clapton band member through the 70's, who also has played with Freddie King, Steven Stills, The Bee Gees, Abba, and many more as a studio musician. Excellent version of "Further On Up The Road" on the album.
Bluesman- It must be the generation gap that has our households having the SAME exact conversation...sometimes I feel I'm on trial at my own dinner table!
Eva- I was teasing about Paul, although admit to extreme loyalty; my older brother Conrad wishes Paul would stop putting out albums, Paul's Chaos did him in....I dug up this review on Flaming Pie, notice the quote of the lyrics in the 2nd paragraph...I read elsewhere that Paul thought John would appreciate that line, it was quite John-like. http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/pau … laming_pie Also, I've been in a John state of mind since my hubby gave me "John Lennon- His Life" as a Christmas present. Unconnected to the story, at the end there are some of Sean's thoughts, sad of course, but most interesting!
Greenose-You would appreciate some of the old forum posts that went deeply analytical! There was a thread about the power of the intro of Joe's vocals on Reconsider Baby, soooooo very emotional, some folks just can't handle that little shiver down their spine or for the hair to stand up on the back of their neck...My favorite version personally. And about covers...during one heated debate, Joe gave his 2 cents...paraphrased...an anology to cars, Joe's covers are like putting new rims on the tire, not removing the tire from the vehicle, just changing it up. However, that was then and this is now. I miss Joe's Friday Face-Off on sirius, liked hearing different versions of songs, although someone else needs to do some of Joe's covers, maybe a Planet Rock suggestion... The funny thing about covers, sometimes even though a new version of a song may really take it to a new level, one is sentimental about the original, I enjoy both versions of HTCT. If I were to ever speak to Steve Winwood I would be curious how he felt about Joe's cover. And if Bonnie Raitt and Joe were to share the stage, I'd like to see them do Never Make Your Move Too Soon...Bonnie's cover is just downright sassy. (killer!) check it out http://video.aol.com/video-detail/bonni … 3197647041 Also, I'm sure you've read some of the Joe interviews that reference Clapton's influence to the early days with Cream, John Mayall and the Derek days. The funniest comment from Joe has to be about Behind the Sun, mixing the blues in there with all that pop. 
Thanks for the "cheeky" chuckle, you folks across the pond crack me up with some of your expressions...and politle ways of saying things...as in kiss my arse...maybe that's what Clapton meant with that album cover!
Joe Bonamassa Forum → Other Artists → Clapton discussion
Powered by PunBB, supported by Informer Technologies, Inc.
Currently installed 2 official extensions. Copyright © 2003–2009 PunBB.