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There is a thin line between genius & insanity.  The fire that burns the brightest often consumes the quickest.  For someone to argue that any of the most brilliant of our artists are not now or have never waltzed in the wonderland of insanity, then that someone is sadly in denial.

That is not a strike against them (the artists), in my opinion.  The trick is to keep the fire and keep that lunatic fringe but not be forever lost in the fear & irrational land of the posessed.

Spare me the esoteric questions about what is real or what is insanity.  That's not the point I want to make here.

Many survivors of their excesses and self consumption (if they are still somewhat functional) have lost that edge, that fire, that lunacy as a constant in their life force.  If we are still balanced and free of fear, we can summon that FIRE at will, but we control IT.  It no longer controls us.

And then we look around at other survivors and if we catch their eye, we give one another a wink and a nod.  What I see with Clapton is a man who no longer has any ilusions.  He will be the first to tell you, that he plays a whole lot better when Derek or Lefty is on stage with him.  He summons the fire.

I understand perfectly anyone who prefers the raw fire of white hot guitar work and crowd control, but let's be realistic, those guys are no longer with us.

The only one is Joe and he has demonstrated remarkable control over his destiny.  He has it all.  The proof is in the pudding.

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PLUS HE DRESSES RIGHT SPORTY ON STAGE>>>GOT SOUL?

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Good point. I think that great artists like shamans are travelling between the worlds, between Earth, Hell and Heaven. In order not to get insane in a medical sense they have to be skillful. Like someone riding big waves with a surf board: obviously that´s a very delicate balance of giving in, "playing" and staying in control.
Günter

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75 (edited by Deezer 2009-01-02 14:08:02)

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Greenose wrote:
Deezer wrote:

Well, I guess if I had to choose between dying (Gallagher), going Bat-crap insane (Green), and being elderly with a bad fashion, I'd choose the latter.

Green is not insane, you insist on us giving respect for Clapton, yet give none for the others. He recorded albums in the early 1980s and toured with the Splinter Group for over 8 years until recently so he'd need sanity to do that. Gallagher's death was due to a hospital infection after a liver transplant, it's hardly a basis to suggest one player was better than the other. One thing little known about Gallagher was that he formed a power trio before Cream, back in 1965 - Taste.
Arguments based on ignorance will always be flawed.

John I'll PM you some of my favourite Green songs! smile

Hey, that wasn't a knock on his ability or anything. I simply said that if I was 60, and I had the choice between being dead, being freakin' crazy, or getting made fun of by some goofball on a message board, I'd choose the latter. Because that would mean I was still here. And from what I understood, Peter Green suffered from schizophrenia. But you can take it anyway you'd like. smile But that was certainly not meant as an insult to anyone.

And Keith, I wouldn't be caught dead with a flannel shirt on. Ever. But keep playing your Cream songs that you've done since age 6, you little old Joe Bonamassa you.

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Deezer wrote:
Greenose wrote:
Deezer wrote:

Well, I guess if I had to choose between dying (Gallagher), going Bat-crap insane (Green), and being elderly with a bad fashion, I'd choose the latter.

Green is not insane, you insist on us giving respect for Clapton, yet give none for the others. He recorded albums in the early 1980s and toured with the Splinter Group for over 8 years until recently so he'd need sanity to do that. Gallagher's death was due to a hospital infection after a liver transplant, it's hardly a basis to suggest one player was better than the other. One thing little known about Gallagher was that he formed a power trio before Cream, back in 1965 - Taste.
Arguments based on ignorance will always be flawed.

John I'll PM you some of my favourite Green songs! smile

Hey, that wasn't a knock on his ability or anything. I simply said that if I was 60, and I had the choice between being dead, being freakin' crazy, or getting made fun of by some goofball on a message board, I'd choose the latter. Because that would mean I was still here. And from what I understood, Peter Green suffered from schizophrenia. But you can take it anyway you'd like. smile But that was certainly not meant as an insult to anyone.

And Keith, I wouldn't be caught dead with a flannel shirt on. Ever. But keep playing your Cream songs that you've done since age 6, you little old Joe Bonamassa you.

So...what you're saying is it's NOT okay to wear a flannel shirt onstage but quite okay to look like you're shuffling off to bed in a retirement home? wink Good to see you have your priorities straight...carry on now big_smile

Ah the impetuousness and folly of youth.

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77 (edited by bigjeffjones 2009-01-02 16:22:55)

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NO!  lol  It is not OK to appear onstage in shorts or bedroom slippers or flannel shirts or flip flops.  I've done it and many of my friends and bandmates have as well.

It's still not OK.  It's not OK to drink or smoke onstage, either.  Done that, too. Still not OK!

Dancing girls is OK.  REAL OK!  None of that adds or subtracts from talent, however.

I have spoken.  Big doo doo heads, the lot of you.  Maybe you should interview me.  tongue

EDITZ:  PS:  Pistol Allen once drove across town and walked into a nightclub in his robe and pajamas to play a set of drums...then got up and carried it to the house.  That's funny.

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78 (edited by Deezer 2009-01-02 16:56:42)

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Keith wrote:
Deezer wrote:
Greenose wrote:

Green is not insane, you insist on us giving respect for Clapton, yet give none for the others. He recorded albums in the early 1980s and toured with the Splinter Group for over 8 years until recently so he'd need sanity to do that. Gallagher's death was due to a hospital infection after a liver transplant, it's hardly a basis to suggest one player was better than the other. One thing little known about Gallagher was that he formed a power trio before Cream, back in 1965 - Taste.
Arguments based on ignorance will always be flawed.

John I'll PM you some of my favourite Green songs! smile

Hey, that wasn't a knock on his ability or anything. I simply said that if I was 60, and I had the choice between being dead, being freakin' crazy, or getting made fun of by some goofball on a message board, I'd choose the latter. Because that would mean I was still here. And from what I understood, Peter Green suffered from schizophrenia. But you can take it anyway you'd like. smile But that was certainly not meant as an insult to anyone.

And Keith, I wouldn't be caught dead with a flannel shirt on. Ever. But keep playing your Cream songs that you've done since age 6, you little old Joe Bonamassa you.

So...what you're saying is it's NOT okay to wear a flannel shirt onstage but quite okay to look like you're shuffling off to bed in a retirement home? wink Good to see you have your priorities straight...carry on now big_smile

Ah the impetuousness and folly of youth.

Tis better to be comfortable than looking like a lumberjack.

Oh, but it's good to be young. Real good.

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bigjeffjones wrote:

I understand perfectly anyone who prefers the raw fire of white hot guitar work and crowd control, but let's be realistic, those guys are no longer with us.

The only one is Joe and he has demonstrated remarkable control over his destiny.  He has it all.  The proof is in the pudding.

I have HOPE!

PLUS HE DRESSES RIGHT SPORTY ON STAGE>>>GOT SOUL?

Hey Jeff, I agree with your point to an extent, while there is no Cream style Clapton, no Rory and no Greeny, we do as you say have Joe, but in addition to that there are plenty of new young guitarists starting out. Joe's leading the pack, but there's also Ryan McGarvey, Back Door Slam, Aynsley Lister, Albert Cummings, Simon McBride etc. Each of them are driven by these earlier guys as inspiration and while its doubtful that they will earn the same commerical success due to the changes in the musical climate, they do still offer a powerful form of blues rock for the future!

One last thing I'd like to say regarding Clapton, Greeny and Rory is, I just hope one day the Clapton fans are able to appreciate Peter Green and Rory Gallagher as much as I can! smile
Incidently Green was the worst dresser when he wore those religious robes during the "Oh Well" period lol

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I'm not as sharp as I should be about young guitarists...predjudiced towards the whole group.  big_smile  Or maybe I was looking at the dancing girls. tongue

Thanks man!  You're right.

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Deezer wrote:
Keith wrote:
Deezer wrote:

Hey, that wasn't a knock on his ability or anything. I simply said that if I was 60, and I had the choice between being dead, being freakin' crazy, or getting made fun of by some goofball on a message board, I'd choose the latter. Because that would mean I was still here. And from what I understood, Peter Green suffered from schizophrenia. But you can take it anyway you'd like. smile But that was certainly not meant as an insult to anyone.

And Keith, I wouldn't be caught dead with a flannel shirt on. Ever. But keep playing your Cream songs that you've done since age 6, you little old Joe Bonamassa you.

So...what you're saying is it's NOT okay to wear a flannel shirt onstage but quite okay to look like you're shuffling off to bed in a retirement home? wink Good to see you have your priorities straight...carry on now big_smile

Ah the impetuousness and folly of youth.

Tis better to be comfortable than looking like a lumberjack.

Oh, but it's good to be young. Real good.

Rory could've dressed in a friggin' muumuu and it wouldn't matter. But the flannel worked for him, and was part of his trademark. Same with Eric, but I still say those slippers gotta go. wink I hope when you do eventually play out you don't wear slippers like that. Especially with spandex. lol

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82 (edited by eva 2009-01-02 18:25:38)

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BluesMan wrote:

But I will say this; John is a Legend because he was shot to death on a New York City street.

Oh oh, better be careful: you mess with John, you mess with me      -      but let´s not get another discussion started, because I will turn into a little scary beast in order to defend John Lennon (and Yoko Ono if I have to!). lol

This seems like a never ending discussion, but thanks for all your opinions (even for the ones on shorts and slippers...) and for BigJeff´s insights in the "thin line between genius & insanity". wink

Who can we discuss about next?!

Eva

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Keith wrote:
Deezer wrote:
Keith wrote:

So...what you're saying is it's NOT okay to wear a flannel shirt onstage but quite okay to look like you're shuffling off to bed in a retirement home? wink Good to see you have your priorities straight...carry on now big_smile

Ah the impetuousness and folly of youth.

Tis better to be comfortable than looking like a lumberjack.

Oh, but it's good to be young. Real good.

Rory could've dressed in a friggin' muumuu and it wouldn't matter. But the flannel worked for him, and was part of his trademark. Same with Eric, but I still say those slippers gotta go. wink I hope when you do eventually play out you don't wear slippers like that. Especially with spandex. lol

I hate flannel. You have no idea how much I hate flannel. Reminds me too much of depressed retarded emo kids listening to grunge talking about how angry they are. ::shudders:: As a matter of fact, the only thing I hate more than flannel....spandex.

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84 (edited by Deezer 2009-01-02 18:24:17)

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And as for The Beatles, I've always looked at John, Paul, and George as having equal respect from me. As far as Ringo, eh. But I do believe that John was the most controversial. The whole fighting for peace, being anti-war, almost getting deported. I think that gave him more publicity than say, Paul being a vegetarian. Paul and George, to me, were always more focused on the music side of it, whereas John was more focused at expressing whatever he was feeling at the moment, be it through music, speech, or other means. But my favorite Beatle will always be George. I've always liked his solo work better, I love his slide playing, While My Guitar Gently Weeps (f/ Eric Clapton) is my favorite Beatles song, and he was a Traveling Wilbury. smile

Well, it's all right.....we're going to the end of the line. cool

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Just as I was about to join in, after carefully considering my response, the thread is closed. big_smile

jim m wrote:
gsj wrote:

But I stay away from the Gary Moore discussions nowadays.

jim m wrote:

A discussion on Clapton will draw him out every time.

I bet you are biting the old tounge about now with the discussion in General Topics going on. I'm thinking you might be a good judge of character.

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Oh go ahead and post it here just for grins. Nobody will notice.

87 (edited by Angela 2009-01-03 11:09:41)

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gsj-hmm, don't think the topic is closed, I didn't get my 2 cents in yet...:/

Deezer-its great to be young, been there, done that myself...:) I'm glad we weren't bonabuddies in the 70's, you would have disowned me for some of my outfits, I didn't wear flannel, but my 4 brothers did, Duane Allman did and Derek Trucks does wear flannel shirts on stage sometimes. I know you're a Derek Trucks fan, so that's why I mentioned it, for what its worth.  To me flannel just says rugged, outdoorsy...currently makes me now think of Larry the Cable Guy. big_smile I know you are of the South Park culture and you're not saying it to be cruel, but if I could give you any advice you're interested in listening to, drop retarded from your vocabulary...some people are just born that way and you are going to say it to someone who is very offended by it someday because someone they love is retarded.  Spandex has its place as well, but I won't go into that!!

Eva-So you think you can have your cake and eat it too...ha, ha...dissing Paul but defending John...:D Both Beatles dove into some real artsy stuff solo, like Bluesman pointed out (best thing you've said in ages & welcome back bluesman)...John's primal screaming may have worked therapeutically, but it left a lot to be desired audibly.  Check out Paul's Flaming Pie CD, I really like it; I'm also fond of Flowers In The Dirt.  Someone mentioned Ringo's ego-he totally bummed me out when he made that statement recently about giving the fans a date that he would no longer write back to after that date...so strange and bizarre...somethings are better left unsaid.  I never wrote to Ringo myself, but his approach definitely bent people out of shape.  I love all my Beatles in different ways for all the different things they brought to the table!

Greenose- I totally get your drift for the most part...Clapton got really popular and no matter what he did, he continued to get airplay, some of his stuff was poppy and some was just radio friendly. Clapton has a ton of fans that would be upset if he didn't play Wonderful Tonight or I Shot the Sheriff in concert, I'm good without those songs.. I never heard Rory Gallagher or Peter Green on the radio until I got sirius radio, they were never on my classic rock stations and I never knew of any blues stations, so these guys just weren't getting the exposure. Since you are kinda' newer on here, you probably never heard my story about how discovering Joe actually got me back into Clapton!!  My husband turned me on to Joe after reading an article in Guitar One about him being one of the rising guitar heroes, along with Derek Trucks and John Mayer.  I read the article, borrowed the first 2 CD's (ANDY & SILT) and saw Joe for the first time all within about 3 weeks of each other in the summer of 2004.  In that cover story, there were 10 guys interviewed and in the highlighted info, each guitarist had to mention their one main guitar influence, Joe mentioned Eric Clapton.  I had been an early on fan with Cream, Blind Faith, and Derek..., my collection stopped in the 70's, of course I heard him on the radio etc. My hubby had most of his collection, so I started to play and uncover more and more Clapton music and continued to pick apart his huge catalog. Also, Im not sure if you know Joe's Had To Cry Today beat out Eric's Me and Mr. Johnson in the Blues Wax awards several years ago...most ironic I thought being Joe's influence and Joe covering HTCT. 

Keith-about Eric's footwear, the guy always had a thing for fashion so...maybe he had some corns, calluses, a bunion, wore new shoes the night before that gave him blisters or was recovering from foot surgery... lol There's nothing worse then squeezing your feet into shoes when your feet hurt...

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88 (edited by Keith 2009-01-02 21:07:08)

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Deezer wrote:
Keith wrote:
Deezer wrote:

Tis better to be comfortable than looking like a lumberjack.

Oh, but it's good to be young. Real good.

Rory could've dressed in a friggin' muumuu and it wouldn't matter. But the flannel worked for him, and was part of his trademark. Same with Eric, but I still say those slippers gotta go. wink I hope when you do eventually play out you don't wear slippers like that. Especially with spandex. lol

I hate flannel. You have no idea how much I hate flannel. Reminds me too much of depressed retarded emo kids listening to grunge talking about how angry they are. ::shudders:: As a matter of fact, the only thing I hate more than flannel....spandex.

I know you're really young, so I can see your point of reference. BUT, wearing flannel shirts long predated grunge. We wore 'em back in the day. 'cept we were called hippies wink In fact, I do believe I've seen a picture or two of EC back in the early 70's wearing flannel while hanging around with Duane Allman.

As for the spandex, you could always start a trend and be the spandex wearing blues dude lol

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Keith wrote:
Deezer wrote:
Keith wrote:

Rory could've dressed in a friggin' muumuu and it wouldn't matter. But the flannel worked for him, and was part of his trademark. Same with Eric, but I still say those slippers gotta go. wink I hope when you do eventually play out you don't wear slippers like that. Especially with spandex. lol

I hate flannel. You have no idea how much I hate flannel. Reminds me too much of depressed retarded emo kids listening to grunge talking about how angry they are. ::shudders:: As a matter of fact, the only thing I hate more than flannel....spandex.

I know you're really young, so I can see your point of reference. BUT, wearing flannel shirts long predated grunge. We wore 'em back in the day. 'cept we were called hippies wink In fact, I do believe I've seen a picture or two of EC back in the early 70's wearing flannel while hanging around with Duane Allman.

As for the spandex, you could always start a trend and be the spandex wearing blues dude lol

That would be something truly worthy of being made fun of.

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Angela wrote:

Greenose- I totally get your drift for the most part...Clapton got really popular and no matter what he did, he continued to get airplay, some of his stuff was poppy and some was just radio friendly. Clapton has a ton of fans that would be upset if he didn't play Wonderful Tonight or I Shot the Sheriff in concert, I'm good without those songs.. I never heard Rory Gallagher or Peter Green on the radio until I got sirius radio, they were never on my classic rock stations and I never knew of any blues stations, so these guys just weren't getting the exposure. Since you are kinda' newer on here, you probably never heard my story about how discovering Joe actually got me back into Clapton!!  My husband turned me on to Joe after reading an article in Guitar One about him being one of the rising guitar heroes, along with Derek Trucks and John Mayer.  I read the article, borrowed the first 2 CD's (ANDY & SILT) and saw Joe for the first time all within about 3 weeks of each other in the summer of 2004.  In that cover story, there were 10 guys interviewed and in the highlighted info, each guitarist had to mention their one main guitar influence, Joe mentioned Eric Clapton.  I had been an early on fan with Cream, Blind Faith, and Derek..., my collection stopped in the 70's, of course I heard him on the radio etc. My hubby had most of his collection, so I started to play and uncover more and more Clapton music and continued to pick apart his huge catalog. Also, Im not sure if you know Joe's Had To Cry Today beat out Eric's Me and Mr. Johnson in the Blues Wax awards several years ago...most ironic I thought being Joe's influence and Joe covering HTCT.

Hi Angela

Thanks for your contribution, that is an interesting story.  Given your avator I did wonder if you were going to join in.  Its interesting that Joe turned you back onto Clapton!  I realise he has been a very big influence on Joe, I am also aware that Cream's Goodbye and Mayall/Clapton's Beano album are two of his three favourite albums, so I do also think that Joe perfers his earlier work too.  Glad to hear that HTCT beat Me and Mr Johnson though, that was a Clapton album that I did get. I was though a little disappointed with it, as I felt Clapton could have taken the songs a little further than he did.

I agree the other guys lacked exposure and even here in the UK, I suspect they are getting more radio play due to Joe presenting a show on Planet Rock, than they did so before.

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