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Re: gibson dark fire

AD3THREE wrote:
fuzzy wuzzy wrote:
AD3THREE wrote:

Your not compairing apples to apples.  A 58' or a 59' Les Paul is something special and I'm sure they had lemons too.  Today even VOS models your lucky if you get a solid piece of wood.  Most of the guitars made today are 2 or 3 good pieces of wood glued together so it is one piece.  To get a solid one piece of wood that big anymore is hard to come by.   Plus everything was done by hand in those days.  CNC Routers do everything now and then you have a belt sander polish off the rough edges.  It would cost $10,000 to do a 59' model the way they did it back then.  It is unrealistic.  Also I doubt these parts are just going to fall apart during a show.   Its more likely you'd change something and make sure it worked before you went to the gig.

A 58 or 59 les paul LEMON!!!??? Nope, never heard of it, but if you should come accross one I'd be interested in buying it from you ( of course at the lemon rate).

Pots and solder,
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You'll never find a lemon for a lemon price with les pauls.  Even though they do exist everybody seems to think they're great because they're old and their hero's like Clapton played it.  Just because its old now doesn't mean a darn thing.  It just means its old and people want it.  Remember these guitars were old a few years old in the sixties.  I've never played a real 59' les paul and I'm sure I'd pee my pants just to hold it, but I stand by what I said earlier.  Gibson did and still makes lemons every now and then.  Its fact.  I've even read that the guitars of today are not only more advanced in electronics (as far as building them) they also generally can play better because they hold tighter specs the guitars of the 50's.  Also its like this.  They make tons of guitars these days even the robots.  The original 59' les pauls were less then 500 if I'm not mistaken and thats not even counting if they all made it or not.  So even a lemon would be worth a ton of money to a collector.  As for me my now discontinued Les Paul Classic 1960's plain top is more then enough les paul for me.  And yes I've rewired it so its lost its resale value.
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Why do you keep talking about resale.  If you keep the origianl parts and put it back wouldn't you be even?  As for a lemon.  Give it to me and I'll have it playing like a dream.  Oh and just because they are old.  No there was something special about that year for Pauls.  Selection of wood, the construction, etc...  Thats what makes them expensive too.  Why is it called the holy grail of Pauls?  Because of what was produced out of that shop during 1959, something special.

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Re: gibson dark fire

If you guys say so.  Who am I to argue other wise.  But even if you do keep the original parts on any guitar, the original solder joints are toast.  Collectors do check for this stuff.  As for the holy grail, yeah thats what they call them.  I'd rather play my piece of crap Classic then own something so expensive that I'd be afraid to take it out of the case.  Also most collectors mags will tell you these guitars were special.  So were Fenders from the era.  Most things built in the 50's was built to last.  Coming from a bussiness stand point Gibson and Fender would have gone under if they kept that standard going.  BTW just cause I called some of the guitars a lemon doesn't mean I was knocking the Holy Grail.  In the end a guitar is only as good as the hands playing it Lemon or NOT.

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Re: gibson dark fire

The question wasn't about lemons being made. As with any product one might slip through product control that's not quite up to standars.  Sometimes these instruments are even labeled as such as "seconds"

The question was whether a guitar that you snap in a circuit board here or there is a good idea.  Again I state, as a tool yes.  It just strikes me as a fad and probably if I had the inkling to buy a new Robot Les Paul or a even just a new Les Paul Std.  I'd go with the Std every time...even if it were'nt a reissue r8 or r9 or JB...just a plain old Std.

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Re: gibson dark fire

There is always this group of people.  WWW.RSGUITARWORKS.NET  These guys make great kits Pre soldered or loose parts.  Me personally I'll never buy a robot guitar when I can tune the guitar by ear myself.  I don't stray anyways from standard E.  I still think Gibson is smart for making their guitars easier to work on for the average person not so good with an iron.  That or you could pay me to solder it up ;p

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Re: gibson dark fire

Saw, this the other day, real put off by the newer Gibson stuff, probably just me, but i dont like guitars that are plekd, i dont like them as much as the old fashioned ones, they dont play, look, or sound as good as they used to be. and with the jack inputs, whats with the red button? Its a real fiddly piece o kit! I just dont like them, the dark fire really isnt what gibson should be doing, theyre tryin to do a vg sorta thing, why are they copying? didnt they once take prs to court for copying?
I just think that guitars dont need a cd input, and all those gadgets, theres too much to go wrong, you're paying for the functions on it, not the guitar its self.

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Re: gibson dark fire

They did take them to court and lost.  The red button unlocks the instrument cable from the input jack.  VG is different because Roland is involved and uses technology to change the sound.  Gibson really does change the tuning.  Gibson uses real pickups to get the different tones.  So I don't think gibson is stealing.  Maybe the idea but peoples been doing that for years.  Gibson is just making money at it.

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25 Reply by RusScagell (edited by RusScagell 2008-11-25 13:59:58)

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Re: gibson dark fire

AD3THREE wrote:

They did take them to court and lost.  The red button unlocks the instrument cable from the input jack.  VG is different because Roland is involved and uses technology to change the sound.  Gibson really does change the tuning.  Gibson uses real pickups to get the different tones.  So I don't think gibson is stealing.  Maybe the idea but peoples been doing that for years.  Gibson is just making money at it.

Sure, i see your point, but in the first put, the quote was 'theyre futuristic', thats all well sayin: 'look, ive got a guitar that tunes itself' but is it really necessary, they were perfectly fine before, its not gonna make you play better, especially not as good as joe! and i just think that technology is taking a step too far! theres machines that now open jars for people, cmon!!!! i just thought, wow a guitar that tunes itself, but im just another one of the millions of players that isnt lazy enough to just go out and buy a bloody tuner to tune my guitar, or even just by ear! its not needed. and for the record. ive played one, took a few tries until it actually gets it in tune. true, the vg has its faults, but so does gibson. theyre both fanastic companies, but dont put as much care and effort into the quality of guitar as say prs or manson do!

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Re: gibson dark fire

This guitar looks so BEAUTIFUL!!!! wooooooooow...I like JB les paul better xD

JB jr

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