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Another favorite of mine that I don't think has been mentioned - Tony Levin
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suhl wrote:carmine sorry to say is nothing spectacular on bass. i mean do you really think he is one of the best or have you just never been to another concert? jaco is the best from vids i've seen, and eric czar is my favorite going right now and one of the best i am aware of. his lines were better than carmine on everything ive heard him play, there is a very very noticeable difference. not to say carmine is bad, he does his job, but doesnt go beyond. the thing is, czar did the job backing up joe, and did it better, honestly played rock bass better than almost anyone ive ever seen, and then did way more. have you seen the stuff he has up on youtube or any of his bass solos? it is unreal. i'd go so far to say he has reached the level of mastery on bass that joe has on guitar.
victor wooten is amazing too if he has yet to be said.
I agree Eric Czar is talented.
Stevie Wonder, Patti laBelle, David Bowie, Ron Wood, Rod Stewart, Rocco Prestia, Kevin Shirley, Joe Bonamassa, Richard (Crossroads) Stewart and the Funky Dr, to name a few, however, would disagree with you about the Legendary Carmine Rojas.
He is a MUSICIAN. He is a Master Rock Arranger. He has made the grade. He has been my road dog buddy for 35 years. Have you even been alive that long? He is a PLAYER. He is a bridge over troubled waters.
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Carmine is talented but Eric Czar is a complete different animal. He is very artistic and is a wonderful composer on the bass.
Kevin Shirley and Joe may disagree but they lost some incredible bass playing in Joe's songs. I know he had to go and it worked better for both of them, but there is no denying what Eric Czar is and what he brought to Joe's songs.
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I need to add some props (and Canadian content LOL) for Alain Caron.... Saw him last year with Mike Stern and Alain is still kicking serious butt
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+1! Jamerson changed the way people approached playing the electric bass.
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bigjeffjones wrote:suhl wrote:carmine sorry to say is nothing spectacular on bass. i mean do you really think he is one of the best or have you just never been to another concert? jaco is the best from vids i've seen, and eric czar is my favorite going right now and one of the best i am aware of. his lines were better than carmine on everything ive heard him play, there is a very very noticeable difference. not to say carmine is bad, he does his job, but doesnt go beyond. the thing is, czar did the job backing up joe, and did it better, honestly played rock bass better than almost anyone ive ever seen, and then did way more. have you seen the stuff he has up on youtube or any of his bass solos? it is unreal. i'd go so far to say he has reached the level of mastery on bass that joe has on guitar.
victor wooten is amazing too if he has yet to be said.
I agree Eric Czar is talented.
Stevie Wonder, Patti laBelle, David Bowie, Ron Wood, Rod Stewart, Rocco Prestia, Kevin Shirley, Joe Bonamassa, Richard (Crossroads) Stewart and the Funky Dr, to name a few, however, would disagree with you about the Legendary Carmine Rojas.
He is a MUSICIAN. He is a Master Rock Arranger. He has made the grade. He has been my road dog buddy for 35 years. Have you even been alive that long? He is a PLAYER. He is a bridge over troubled waters.
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wishIknewitall...Carmine is talented but Eric Czar is a complete different animal. He is very artistic and is a wonderful composer on the bass.
Kevin Shirley and Joe may disagree but they lost some incredible bass playing in Joe's songs. I know he had to go and it worked better for both of them, but there is no denying what Eric Czar is and what he brought to Joe's songs.
carmine is talented, i give him that. That's cool that you are friends with him too, and that you are older than me. i stand by what i said though. and i think you are blinded by knowing him on a personal level if you can tell me with a straight face he is on the same level as czar
i'm sure you know more about music than me, but i stand by everything i said. from what ive heard of carmine, and ive seen him play live 4 times and heard his albums with joe, he is not a spectacular bass player, as well as heard a ton of live material from both the power trio days and the current days. I know it isn't a popular opinion around here, but the band sounded better back then, and czar was the reason.
I have seen a lot of other shows with unspectacular bass players too. Again, I don't mean bad, they do their job, just like carmine, i mean i don't walk away floored talking about how good the bass player was.
let me say this one more time, that doesnt mean he is bad, it means i don't hear anything unique or different in his playing.
what i meant with the other concert remark comes down to this. let's say the only band you have ever seen live is green day. then you might just be blown away by bj armstrong and think he is an amazing guitarist. i wasn't mocking the guy, it was an actual question. if i hadn't seen a few people really throw down on bass i too might think carmine was amongst the best in the world.
i don't know if it surprises you or not but dropping names and talking down to me did not affect my opinion (apparently it was irrelevant anyway because i am young). I don't care if the only people eric czar can get to play with him are a mannequin and a dog turd, he is one of the best bass players i have ever heard, and i don't mean to personally attack carmine here im sure hes a great guy and he is an effective bass player, but i am not going to do the great ones the injustice of putting him on their level when he is not.
and on a final note, of course joe and kevin shirley are going to say the band they have with them currently is the best, i'd do the same thing. no one is going to say yeah, these bandmates are good but the old ones were better. it's a dick thing to do.
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No, no bickering here. I too, love all the bassmen mentioned here. I even said so. Berry and Mr Wilkerson, as Ronnie used to call him are good adds.
I merely point out that many more learned and professional musicians than I would disagree with the young sir.
It doesn't require taking offense. I thought Titanic was a stupid movie. Fatal Attraction, too. But the public declared differently, to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars. Oh, OK...my bad. It's a somewhat similar scenario.
Suhl likes Eric's style better than Carmine's. Lotsa folks do. If you live long enough, you settle down and do what's best for the song and the guy who's paying you. A lot of bassists my age grew up with Larry Graham and Stanley Clark and Jaco. We all tried to imitate what we thought was cool and powerful. The two Jacks (Bruce & Casady) etc.
As time went along, we found our own niche. I hope it is not prophecy; that's all Eric can find to play with. What a waste that would be. Mannequins and dog turds? THAT'S FUNNY!
I can say that I'm a better player than over half of the local guys gigging. But, evidently I'm too hard to get along with. Imagine that! There might be parallels here. I don't know Eric, so I can't say. They gig (if one could call it that) more than I do.
Suhl, it was not intended to change your mind. You are entitled to your opinion and I for one would fight anyone that said you couldn't share it. Blanket statements like "this bassline is better" or "the band sounded better then..." might be better stated if tempered with a "to me" or an "IMO"
I, for one, do care if a player is working or not. How his peers treat him tells a huge story.
Did I just tell on myself? 
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ohiodawg13 wrote:Right you are FDOL, you can add Stevie Salas to the list of Carmine's fan club too. Stevie got the break of a lifetime when Carmine, aka Cadbury as Stevie affectionately refers to him, tapped him to play lead guitar in Bowie's touring band which Carmine was director and arranger which lead to a gig with Mick Jagger's solo projects and Stevie's own solo career that spans the globe, kinda like what BB did for Joe.
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Everything I do gon' be funky..........from now on.............??????????? Name that lyric writer.
Lee Dorsey? 1969 ? kinda guessing...Did he write that?
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Red Hot Smokin' close, it's Allen Toussaint who wrote Workin' In A Coal Mine with Lee Dorsey. The aforementioned tune was released in '71 on his self titled album. I just picked up a copy from Amazon since my vinyl copy grew legs and disappeared decades ago. My memory of this classic was jogged recently watching an Axe fragrance ad on TV with Toussaint's Sweet Touch Of Love playing in the background. Man that dude is smooth on the ivories, one of the great N'Orleans players.
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OK, I hope everybody blew off enough steam, or as Mick Jagger told the crowd at Altamont, "C'mon now, everybody cool out!!!" I started this thread and I can make it vanish with one click o'da mouse. Everybody happy now? BTW it's Leon Wilkeson...........no R, common mistake made by many, RIP Leon, one of my favorites from my favorite band.
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From what I have heard from Eric Czar, he plays for the song also. That is one of the qualities I like about him.
Eric is a very creative person and he pushes his talent to be at the level he is.
I give it up to him for exploring his capabilities and bringing it out on such a high level on the bass and in his music. I am looking forward to more journeys with him down his musical path. And because you are not famous, it doesn't mean you aren't an outstanding musician. In the music world the best doesn't always rise up to the top.
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No bickering here either just to say that Eric amazes me.
And just to say, from what I have heard from Eric Czar, he plays for the song also. It's okay to offer something a little more to the song to make it better. That is one of the qualities I like about him.
Eric is a very creative person and he pushes his talent to be at the level he is.
I give it up to him for exploring his capabilities and bringing it out on such a high level on the bass and in his music. I am looking forward to more journeys with him down his musical path. And because you are not famous, it doesn't mean you aren't an outstanding musician. In the music world the best doesn't always rise up to the top.
All true. Oh how I know it...and well said!
It is also true that different styles will add different things to different songs.
Hey how bout the females?
Carol Kaye
Tina Weymouth and
Tal Wilkenfeld
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bigjeffjones wrote:ohiodawg13 wrote:Right you are FDOL, you can add Stevie Salas to the list of Carmine's fan club too. Stevie got the break of a lifetime when Carmine, aka Cadbury as Stevie affectionately refers to him, tapped him to play lead guitar in Bowie's touring band which Carmine was director and arranger which lead to a gig with Mick Jagger's solo projects and Stevie's own solo career that spans the globe, kinda like what BB did for Joe.
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Everything I do gon' be funky..........from now on.............??????????? Name that lyric writer.
Lee Dorsey? 1969 ? kinda guessing...Did he write that?
EDITZ: spelin.
Red Hot Smokin' close, it's Allen Toussaint who wrote Workin' In A Coal Mine with Lee Dorsey. The aforementioned tune was released in '71 on his self titled album. I just picked up a copy from Amazon since my vinyl copy grew legs and disappeared decades ago. My memory of this classic was jogged recently watching an Axe fragrance ad on TV with Toussaint's Sweet Touch Of Love playing in the background. Man that dude is smooth on the ivories, one of the great N'Orleans players.
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OK, same neighborhood. I know Lee D did it on a cut back then, also knew he was a writer, but wasn't sure, Jdawg.
Wow ya stumped the Doc. Good Job!
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Hold the presses! the FDOL may have nailed it after all in a sense. Upon further review I've discovered that starting in '65 Toussaint wrote and Dorsey would sing on his compositions which included Everything I Do Gohn Be Funky, (From Now On). which possibly may have been released in'69. GO DOCTOR, GO DOCTOR, you gotta get up pretty early to slip one by the Funky Doctor Of Love.
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I think Tal Wilkenfeld could be one of the most talented females bassists of all time, along with Carol Kaye. The woman that plays with Prince is a monster as well!
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I think Tal Wilkenfeld could be one of the most talented females bassists of all time, along with Carol Kaye. The woman that plays with Prince is a monster as well!
Tal Wikenfeld - an up and comer. As I read through this thread I was trying to think of her name. Saw the Clapton Crossroads concert video - she played with Jeff Beck. My jaw dropped.
Had the same response to Stanley Clarke (with Chick and Billy Cobham) back in 73.
A lot of other good names here.
I was surprized at how long it took for Victor Wooten's name to come up. He's way up on my short list.
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Tal Wikenfeld - an up and comer. As I read through this thread I was trying to think of her name. Saw the Clapton Crossroads concert video - she played with Jeff Beck. My jaw dropped.
I was surprized at how long it took for Victor Wooten's name to come up. He's way up on my short list.
Yes. Tal actually had her own killer jazz fusion band for quite awhile before hookin up with Beck. Although the look on his face during her solo in the Crossroads fest was classic!
Victor is probably number one on my list. great chops coupled with an amazingly killer groove. nothing more you could ask for in a bass player.
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Steve Harris from Iron Maiden is surely worth a shout. Great bass player, song writer and band leader. He also has fanstatic stage presence too, and has been at the top for nearly 30 years.
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Steve Harris from Iron Maiden is surely worth a shout. Great bass player, song writer and band leader. He also has fanstatic stage presence too, and has been at the top for nearly 30 years.
You just cannot get Iron Maiden's NOTB off your turntable/player/ipod etc since post number 666 can you?LOL
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