Jeff Beck, Metallica, The Stooges Nominated For Rock Hall 2009 (Page 2 of 2)

Keith,

I would agree with you if the Flock had any career past the initial bright burning of the early days of MTV.  But the fact is they did not.  Neither did any of the other bands that you mentioned, save for a few.

If you look at the cultural impact of Madonna over the decades you see that she is in fact a force in the planetary culture.  Her very existence and the work that has come from it has changed the world. 

While you might not like it, there simply is no denying that we live in a post madonna world.  We live in a world forever changed by the success of Madonna.

The same can be said of RUN DMC.  As the Kings of Hip Hop they were responsbile for bringing this multibillion dollar musical and cultural force out of the small time in NYC, and into the arenas around the country.  They were the first ambassadors of this music, save for a smaller wave of shows by the likes of Kurtis Blow.

The street that modern music lives on is a wide street, but the biggest houses are occupied by the likes of Madonna and hip hop pioneers RUN DMC.

I think your choosing to reject them in a way reflects more about our desire to put music in boxes.  Yet the conflict comes when people try to put something YOU CARE FOR in a box, like Bonamassa or SRV.  Then suddenly you want to see the world as one big place, but when someone wants to put Madonna in the rock world you resist.

Yet when some want to keep Joe in the blues box, you resist, or when someone wants to move Joe in to the rock world, you resist.

It is this resistance that is more telling I think.

Just for kicks I decided to check the list of inductees into the HOF...Take a look for yourselves...I think they use "Rock and Roll" in a very broad sense. There's artists from all genres. I'm not a purist in any sense and am glad to see musicians given props.....Dino...I have a different opinion than you...The argument could go on ad nauseum.... Cathy

http://www.rockhall.com/inductees/inductee-list/

No....not influenced by....think highly of Stevie. "Laid compliments at his feet."

It's so diluted it really should just be called The Music Hall of Fame now.

Wow, very interesting discussion here - you´re really good at bringing up those kinds of topics Dino ...

I think the basic question here is: What is the minimum definition of "Rock´n´Roll" ? If this thing was called the "World of showbusiness Hall of Fame", I wouldn´t have a single doubt that Madonna would belong there, but for me she has as much to do with Rock´n´Roll as a duck has with a pig.

My basic defintion for "Rock´n´Roll" would probably be: a) a song- and rhythm structure that is based on the Blues in some kind of way, b) a band or a single person actually playing instruments  and c) this certain kind of "Rock´n´Roll" feeling that you can´t describe .

That may be a poor definition, but I just refuse to call something "Rock´n´Roll" that´s all about show instead of music. Madonna´s music is bubblegum - SHE is the star, her music is exchangable ... it´s all about the show and the (sometimes embarrassing) dancing and shocking and scandal-provoking.

I mean - I really don´t want to put music in boxes as you called it Dino, but I think we could at least agree that there´s Blues, Jazz, Rock´n´Roll, Pop, Techno and Hip Hop ... that´s actually not too much to ask. And I really don´t see why someone who nearly EMBODIES Popmusic should find a place in the Rock´n´Roll Hall of Fame. Really doesn´t make any sense to me.

What´s your definition of Rock´n´Roll Dino?!

Eva