Topic: Cable Quest

I always used Monster Cables for my guitar.  One day I tried a Planet Waves and I couldn't beileve how much the sound opened up.  So, I thought, if there's that much difference between Monster and PW, then what kind of difference would there be between say the Mogami's, Lava, Vovox, Accusound and PW's?

Steve at Accusound is making some incredible custom cables for a great price.  OFC coated in pure silver...incredible definition and clarity with silent Neutrik and Amphensol ends.

What are you guys using and why?

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I'm using Bill Lawrence's solderless cables and ends. I also have George L's, but the Lawrences seem to be more reliable, and I like the cable much better than George L. I use these strictly for convenience, if there's a problem, just clip off the end of the cable and push the end back on.

I don't have the ear to notice much difference in sound from one cable to another (maybe if I compared side by side), but I do notice when they fail!

Fun fact: George L started out working for Bill Lawrence, as did Larry Dimarzio.

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I never really believed that leads make a difference, i always use livewire coz theyre cheap, but if it really changes tone, then i'll try out tommorow and see...

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Be careful with planet waves I know they have a life time guarantee but I've had a couple stop working.... Also uno they have the special end to stop it making noise when you plug it into the guitar? well Ive had that break a jack plug and a plug on my amp so be careful :x

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I've been using PW's in  my entire rig with never a problem.  I think they sound better than Monster's and have been very reliable.  I'm just a quest for something better.

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I found the cable. After A/B ing all the cables I could get my hands on I decided on the Accusound Silver Studio Pro.  Guys,  with all this talk on here about boutique amps and limited edition Les Pauls's and such, do your self a favor and spring for a highend cable.  Consider it bling for your rig.  There is Definately a difference in cables.

The scoop on Accusound: 
Twin silver plated copper conductors
99.98% pure ETP copper
99.99% pure silver 
98% Silver plated copper braid shield
Audiophile-grade dielectric insulators
Silver compound solder-for maximum conductivity & extended life 
High resistant, nylon woven jacket and terminated with high end, 1/4 inch gold connectors
RoHS compliant
Unmatched accuracy, extremely low noise and remarkable flexibility

I had Steve make mine with a straight silent Neutrik end on one and an Amphensol R angle end on the other.  Whay makes this cable so freakin' good is the transparency and what it DOESN'T add to the sound.  Nice highs that are not harsh and won't take your face off, smooth and very detailed mids and tight punchy bass.  Very consistent from lower to upper registers and across all the strings.  It's exactlt what your amp and guitar sound like together and considering the components it's a great price.

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It's worth spending money on cables because they're a key link to getting the sound from your guitar to your amplifier. It's not really like the comparison of spending silly money on hifi interconnects, which I would hope most people would agree is slightly barmy. You're taking a weak signal generated by thin metal wires vibrating near coils wrapped round a magnet and transmitting it perhaps 30ft down a cable. Provided the cable is well shielded from noise and that it has reasonable connectors on the ends then you should be fine. Don't worry too much about what the plating on the connector is. It makes next to no difference. Neutrik make pukka broadcast quality connectors and so I'd have no hesitation on using their stuff. Bung a length of decent cable in the middle and you're away, although obviously make sure the connections in the connector are decent.

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Gingerpaul
You're taking a weak signal generated by thin metal wires vibrating near coils wrapped round a magnet and transmitting it perhaps 30ft down a cable. Provided the cable is well shielded from noise and that it has reasonable connectors on the ends then you should be fine. Don't worry too much about what the plating on the connector is. It makes next to no difference. Neutrik make pukka broadcast quality connectors and so I'd have no hesitation on using their stuff. Bung a length of decent cable in the middle and you're away...

I hate to disagree and maybe Steve from Accusound can answer this better than I can.  He's tech savvy...I just have decent ears...but I think every component in the cable is equally important.  You know what they say...you're only as strong as your weakest link.  Putting great ends on a crappy piece of cable will give you, well, a crappy cable.  Just like putting crappy ends on a piece of Accusound or Van Der Hul cable will again...give you a crappy cable...although maybe not as bad as the first way smile

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Try Spectraflex cable, it sounds great and they´re very cool too!!

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DannyG wrote:

I hate to disagree and maybe Steve from Accusound can answer this better than I can.  He's tech savvy...I just have decent ears...but I think every component in the cable is equally important.  You know what they say...you're only as strong as your weakest link.  Putting great ends on a crappy piece of cable will give you, well, a crappy cable.  Just like putting crappy ends on a piece of Accusound or Van Der Hul cable will again...give you a crappy cable...although maybe not as bad as the first way smile

No offense, but Steve from Accusound is selling cable. He's gotta make his sound like something special, that's how he makes money. Whenever a blind test between cables have been done, people just as often pick the cheaper cable as the most expensive.

People have been trying to sound like Hendrix or SRV forever, what cables did they use? wink

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I certainly agree that crap cable is going to give you issues, especially if you have poor connections internally too. As long as you get something reasonable you'll be ok though. If you are serious about weak links then there are all manner of things that could do with being checked. There's the jack plug, the wiring in the guitar, even the volume and tone knobs. It's all very well saying a connector is plated with 99.9% pure gold but the trouble is that this is going to be making a connection with a jack in the guitar that is potentially decades old and potentially corroded. If you don't polish the gold finish on the connectors then it won't be 99.9% anyway thanks to the gold oxidising in the air. You can of course multiply this by how ever many stomp boxes you use.

Like I said above, using decent cable is a good idea. I just wouldn't go crazy on it.

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gingerpaul wrote:

I certainly agree that crap cable is going to give you issues, especially if you have poor connections internally too. As long as you get something reasonable you'll be ok though. If you are serious about weak links then there are all manner of things that could do with being checked. There's the jack plug, the wiring in the guitar, even the volume and tone knobs. It's all very well saying a connector is plated with 99.9% pure gold but the trouble is that this is going to be making a connection with a jack in the guitar that is potentially decades old and potentially corroded. If you don't polish the gold finish on the connectors then it won't be 99.9% anyway thanks to the gold oxidising in the air. You can of course multiply this by how ever many stomp boxes you use.

Like I said above, using decent cable is a good idea. I just wouldn't go crazy on it.

All very good points.

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I once read an article about hand made cables and bought expensive ones and it found that theres wasnt a significant (to the ear) difference in sound quality.. I use hotwires atm purely because they dont pop when I plug them in, Its lasted me 8 months of gigging so its probably paid for its self by now very good construction too and I can take them apart and resolder if need be.....

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I agree to an end that one can go "overboard".  There's no way I would spend $189 on a 10 ft Lava Van Dur Hul cable.  There's also no way I would ever spend $65,000 on a Dumble.  But to spend thousands on a signature JB Les Paul and thousands on a boutique amp and then connect them with a $15 cable just doesn't make sense to me.  There is definatly a difference in cables.  Not just in tone but in harmonics, dynamics, response...it's more of a vibe thing.
I loved Monster, until I heard Planet Waves.  Planet waves has served me very well.  I know JB has had bad luck with them as far as reliabilty goes but I have never had one go down or go microphonic on me and they sound great.  But...after I tried other cables.  ie Mogami, Accusound...for just a few dollars more I recieved a remarkable difference/improvment in fidelity. 
I went with Accusound because, A)  They sound great.  B) They are made great and C) Customer Service.

But to agree...it's all in what you hear and what works for you.  After all, isn't this the reason we spend hours upon hours tweaking verb and delay times when in all actuality no one notices but you.

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Sounds like we're talking about the same range of cables but approaching from a "glass half empty - glass half full" point of view. To spend $xxxx on a guitar and amplifier and to use a $15 would be foolish. Personally I wouldn't think twice spending $50 on a decent 10ft cable. Like you say, the best thing is to try some and see (well, hear).

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LOL Peavey has some nice cables that seemed to have lasted me the longest.

Also, RadioShack still sells the curly cue phone cord style guitar cords, and those sound really different. Can't explain how really. But they only last a couple years.

I tried George Ls and couldnt get my technique down for the cables. I think they'd be a good pedal to pedal cable instead of a guitar to pedal or guitar to amp cable. If that makes any sense....

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i use George L's (black .225's), and i LOVE them. they are less expensive than other premium cables, and they sound fantastic. brighter, punchier, more definition. in case of incident, they are repairable, too.

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Guitar Player magazine just did a cable comparison, a couple of months ago. Pretty thorough, too. It's worth looking up, if you're interested in cables.

    I never thought much about cables, past getting decent ones. Peavey, Rapco, Spectraflex, etc. The stuff you'd see at most music stores.
    Then one day a student brought their new Monster Cable with them, to a lesson. And I could hear a difference, even though we were playing through a little solid state Peavey Rage (maybe a Backstage? Not sure of the model.). His Monster had more Highs, and there was some difference in the Mids, too. If we had a larger amp, we might have noticed a difference in the Lows, too. But......
    Trouble for me, was that I didn't like the differences! I thought the extra Highs just made the cheap amp's EQ more harsh and unpleasant.

    Then I remembered how Buddy Guy used custom 100' to 150' cables! So he could walk off stage, out the door of a club, and play on the sidewalk. When asked about a wireless set-up, he mentioned that he depended on the "loading" of the long cable and how it affected his tone. He didn't want more clarity.
    And I thought about how I prefer to have pickups go through a Tone Knob with a capacitor in the signal chain. Even when turned fully "On" to 10, the Tone Pot seemed to thicken the tone of the PUs.

    So, when you read about the clarity, and enhanced Highs, Lows, or Mids, be sure that's what you want. I difinately don't want a muddy, messy tone. But, I don't necessarily want total "clarity", either.

    Now I use the Planet Waves Circuit Breaker guitar cables. I like the built in "On-Off" switch. Plus, they sound great! (To me).

    I also recommend that you choose very carefully when selecting a Speaker Cable. When using a seperate Head/Cab combination, a good Speaker Cable can be a HUGE factor!

    And I think that these are the 2 most important cables to consider. The Speaker Cable, and the Cable that runs from your Guitar to the Amp or Pedals. I don't think that the cables running from pedal to pedal, or from the pedals to the Amp are as crucial. Definately important. But, not as important.

    I do like the Monster Speaker Cables I've tried. But, there are other choices that I think are better. Some I like: Lava, DiMarzio, Evidence Audio. And I really do want to try some more Guitar Cables that I read about in the GP article.

    So, I would like to try an Evidence Audio Lyric, and a Melody. A DiMarzio Signature Edition, the new Planet Waves Signature Cable, more of the George L stuff, maybe a Klotz, and the top of the line Zoalla Cables. But, I think these would be fairly small changes from the PW I currently use. So, my main quest now, is for the best Speaker Cable.

    Also, some of the Evidence stuff is solid-core wire. Great for your signal's clarity. But, resistent to being coiled up. And kinds stiff, when trying to move around much on stage. So, that's another consideration.

    I think LavaMan Cables will send out a "Sampler" pack of High-End Cables. You keep the one you like, pay for it, and return the rest. So, I'm thinking of calling hom and "Taste Testing" some wires.

    Another thing: If you use Georgr L's solderless cables for your pedalboard, you might consider soldering the ends to the cables, anyway. If you swap Pedals much, the George L's can fail on you more easily. Plus, how many times do you really have to change the length of your Pedal Cables?

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