Topic: Joes guitars help

hi
i noticed in the bonamassa les paul the strings are put thru the tail piece backwards then slung over the top to the bridge.
Is there any reason he does this?
is his other les pauls strung the same way ?
I also noticed in Rick emmet fan guitar it has d'adarrio on
is this what comes from gibson or has it been changed?

thanks

graeme

Blues is the spice of life, Live it, Love it, Feel it, Play it.

Re: Joes guitars help

I started doing it because it reduces the angle that the strings go over the saddles. It means that I break less strings and, probably subconsiously, it feels slightly easier to bend the strings. The problem that I've found with doing this is that you end up with end of the string at the ball end have the last wound bit right where the string bends round the tail bar. One day I'm going to get on the lathe and machine up 6 little brass spacers to get all the wound part of the string fully into the tail bar.

Anyway, next time you restring give it a go. It'll either work for you or it won't.

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thanks ginger paul
yeh also raising the tail piece does that. helps with the bending and sustain too.
i just wondered why he did it
as you said it puts the winding in contact with tail

sorry i'm so curious
graeme

Blues is the spice of life, Live it, Love it, Feel it, Play it.

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I don't like raising the tail bar because it rattles around. If you turned a pair of spacers up to use as large washers then that'd work better. I prefer having as many threads as I can in the guitar though. Anything like that will help transmit the good vibrations to the guitar. The guitar needs to pick up good vibrations.  smile  Seriously though, I quite like the position of the tail bar. PRS came up with a reasonable compromise with their tail bar and has its bridge built in but then obviously you lose the ability to set the intonation for each string individually. Actually I've never looked to see how they get round the wound string issue. Presumably the holes in the tail bar aren't as deep. I'll look next time I'm in a shop.

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I'm lucky I just needed to open a couple of cases and find my vernier calipers to take a measurement or two :-)

The tail piece on the 57 Goldtop is .7" wide. The PRS tailpiece/bridge is 1" hence the strings double wound bit is kept well within the PRS bridge.

Of course Joe willingly admits that the reverse wrap idea goes back to Jimmy Page and probably a few others.  I've always wondered about people who describe a guitar as having nice tension.  i.e. = Scale length, = string gauge and = pitch must mean = tension surely. But then when you pick up a PRS it feels easier to play and the scale length is slightly longer than a Les Paul so the reverse should be true - given equal string gauge. Maybe the break angle over the bridge and nut really do have an impact. The PRS has a lower angle at both ends than a Les Paul. The PRS also runs the string more directly to the tuners on all strings.

Just wondered if the Dean Markley strings Joe uses have a shorter double winding compared to other brands.

Pete

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Thanks for the info Pete. That explains that. I'd be interested to know how people get round the winding issue though. We can't be the only people to have noticed (can we?). smile

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Hey guys,
There is a sticky at the top of "Joe's Guitars, Amps and Gear" page about this and other topics you may find of interest.

http://www.jbonamassa.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4546

"There is nothing to it.  You only have to hit the right notes at the right time and the instrument plays itself."---Johann Sebastian Bach

8 (edited by gingerpaul 2008-08-19 04:07:41)

Re: Joes guitars help

Thanks for the link. There's quite a lot of information there! According to that it is to make the strings feel lighter, which I suppose mirrors my string bending comment. I tried 11s on my last string change and hated them though, so obviously it doesn't work for me. tongue

Re: Joes guitars help

gingerpaul wrote:

I started doing it because it reduces the angle that the strings go over the saddles. It means that I break less strings and, probably subconsiously, it feels slightly easier to bend the strings. The problem that I've found with doing this is that you end up with end of the string at the ball end have the last wound bit right where the string bends round the tail bar. One day I'm going to get on the lathe and machine up 6 little brass spacers to get all the wound part of the string fully into the tail bar.

Anyway, next time you restring give it a go. It'll either work for you or it won't.

Aye its a pain really caught my hand and cut my finger on the tail piece because of it.. filing the sharp bits a lil works tho....

I didnt find it easier to bend strings but for me I feel it increased the sustain and brightness? then again I did change the strings to a heavier set so It wasnt really a proper test .9's to 11's :x