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Welcome Jimmy.  if you throw notes like you throw words, you're guilty, too.

mygrainofsalt
justapinch

Rock On & Keep the FAITH
             It is
Blues From the Bottoms

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Bill S wrote:
Steve E wrote:

I was standing 3 feet in front of Joe at the Waterfront gig last night and thought it was outstanding.  I'm still grinning and the guy who came with me was just blown away.   Joe looked super fit and was obviously into what he was doing.  Overall consensus was that he should've been a headliner.

As a long time Portland resident and musician I'll just say to everybody here take this Fast Jimmy guy with a grain of salt.   Portland has and will always be chock full of self described blues geniuses and more than a few who will spew at the drop of a hat.  Not a big deal.  Like anything, it's the guys who keep their mouths shut and just play who prove to be the true badasses, and there's more than a few of those guys in Portland as well.  If Joe's current trip works for you - awesome.  If not, its pretty easy to take Moms advice about "if you don't have something nice to say..." and move on.  Portland resident and verified killer killer guitar player Eddie Martinez (he's played with just a couple of people...) was sitting stage right by Joe's tech just shaking his head and grooving on what Joe was doing.  There were at least a handful of folks in the crowd that appreciated it as much judging by the fact that their applause were drowing out the stage mix.

I don't care what you want to categorize it as, but Joe Bonamassa is welcome with open arms to come back to Portland and play a kazoo if he wants, and I'll be right back there.  Thanks for an awesome evening.

Steve E,
All I can say is wow! That may be the best "first" post I've ever seen on this forum and it pretty much sums things up.
I see no reason to prolong this topic (especially since it's headed off track a bit).
Thanks and welcome to the forum. Hope you stop back occasionally.

AGREED!!!  BRAVO Steve and WELCOME TO THE FORUM!!!  Indeed, THAT was QUITE the FIRST POST!!!  As a matter of fact, I LOVED IT SO MUCH, I even added a quote from you to my 'signature' (see below - right after that very funny quote by that other funny man - Bill S.!!!  Coinkydink!!!). 

We made certain that our very dear friends from Portland were in attendance for their 'Bonabaptism' (as many around here call it) and, of COURSE, they were COMPLETELY BLOWN AWAY!!!!  I just wish that I could have been there to see it unfold.  For me, the next best thing to watching Joe is to watch someone ELSE watch Joe, for the first time.  Nothing like it. 

I agree with the rest of the spirit of Bill's post too - the thread seems to have taken a left turn.  Might I suggest you open an additional thread in the 'Introductions' category so that even MORE members can welcome you and, at the same time, this particular thread will no longer continue to be 'bumped' to the top?  I just like to keep things upbeat and happy around here. 

Welcome aboard.  There are a LOT of REALLY NICE PEOPLE here who enjoy having fun, sharing Joe's music, sharing information about other artists, supporting one another, etc.  I'm VERY PROUD to be an active member of such a GREAT PLACE.  I have made SEVERAL VERY DEEP CONNECTIONS with people here and am happy to call many people 'friend'.  It IS like a family.  I'm sure you'll feel right at home.

smile  Libby  smile


Welcome to you too, Jimmy.  I'm sorry for what you've suffered and do hope this place can bring you some happiness.

I know that Joe could play one of those kid's guitars with the plastic strings and make it sound good-
Bill S.

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Steve E wrote:

I was standing 3 feet in front of Joe at the Waterfront gig last night and thought it was outstanding.  I'm still grinning and the guy who came with me was just blown away.   Joe looked super fit and was obviously into what he was doing.  Overall consensus was that he should've been a headliner.

As a long time Portland resident and musician I'll just say to everybody here take this Fast Jimmy guy with a grain of salt.   Portland has and will always be chock full of self described blues geniuses and more than a few who will spew at the drop of a hat.  Not a big deal.  Like anything, it's the guys who keep their mouths shut and just play who prove to be the true badasses, and there's more than a few of those guys in Portland as well.  If Joe's current trip works for you - awesome.  If not, its pretty easy to take Moms advice about "if you don't have something nice to say..." and move on.  Portland resident and verified killer killer guitar player Eddie Martinez (he's played with just a couple of people...) was sitting stage right by Joe's tech just shaking his head and grooving on what Joe was doing.  There were at least a handful of folks in the crowd that appreciated it as much judging by the fact that their applause were drowing out the stage mix.

I don't care what you want to categorize it as, but Joe Bonamassa is welcome with open arms to come back to Portland and play a kazoo if he wants, and I'll be right back there.  Thanks for an awesome evening.

Hey Steve!  Welcome here!  Lil sis has a GREAT idea.  Post an introduction.

Big Jeff
TrueBlues

Rock On & Keep the FAITH
             It is
Blues From the Bottoms

Re: waterfront blues fest

Steve E wrote:

I was standing 3 feet in front of Joe at the Waterfront gig last night and thought it was outstanding.  I'm still grinning and the guy who came with me was just blown away.   Joe looked super fit and was obviously into what he was doing.  Overall consensus was that he should've been a headliner.

As a long time Portland resident and musician I'll just say to everybody here take this Fast Jimmy guy with a grain of salt.   Portland has and will always be chock full of self described blues geniuses and more than a few who will spew at the drop of a hat.  Not a big deal.  Like anything, it's the guys who keep their mouths shut and just play who prove to be the true badasses, and there's more than a few of those guys in Portland as well.  If Joe's current trip works for you - awesome.  If not, its pretty easy to take Moms advice about "if you don't have something nice to say..." and move on.  Portland resident and verified killer killer guitar player Eddie Martinez (he's played with just a couple of people...) was sitting stage right by Joe's tech just shaking his head and grooving on what Joe was doing.  There were at least a handful of folks in the crowd that appreciated it as much judging by the fact that their applause were drowing out the stage mix.

I don't care what you want to categorize it as, but Joe Bonamassa is welcome with open arms to come back to Portland and play a kazoo if he wants, and I'll be right back there.  Thanks for an awesome evening.

Thank you Steve.  I rest my case without myself saying a word. 
OK, a few words....Possibly to be perceived unkind, perhaps that way, but heart felt what I feel is the truth, willing to risk that I've got it wrong, to take the ridicule, in the hope that Jimmy Mac might see some benefit of someone pointing out something he hasn't seen from a different point of view...
Your legitimate opinions are ok, we suffer severe disagreement on SOME points. But welcome regardless!
Joe has trimmed his note flurries since moving to sunnier climates...Check it out and see.  Perhaps one could make a case he's strumming up a storm on Woke Up Dreaming (that's a Tommy topper lyric wise in one singular song), but he does not just twiddle de guitfiddle to befuddle our widdle ears...Even if he did, for crying out loud even Eric Clapton used to do that!
Please no pity party. You only welcome sincere and sincerely deserved ridicule when pity is tempered with tempermental temper tantrums.  The sun is out in Portland (for only a short time), you got no reason to be sad!

I been further under the house, looking for eggs, than you ever been-you humbuggin' the crap outta me!
Them's Rocket's lyrics bub.

Steve E and other Shiny Happy fans....
Rock On & Keep the Faith,
Rocket

"He still doesn't charge for mistakes! wink"
http://jbonamassa.com/tour-dates/
"Everybody wants ta get inta the act!"
“Now, this isn’t your ordinary party crowd, here.  I mean, there are professionals in here.”

23 (edited by Rocket 2008-07-05 16:20:49)

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By the way, do they still have the fireworks at the river that last nearly an hour???

"He still doesn't charge for mistakes! wink"
http://jbonamassa.com/tour-dates/
"Everybody wants ta get inta the act!"
“Now, this isn’t your ordinary party crowd, here.  I mean, there are professionals in here.”

24 (edited by cathysiler 2008-07-05 17:54:19)

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Jimmy..don't assume we trivialize anybody's pain, because we don't. I'm really sorry if you feel we are not sympathetic. I'm just not sure how it relates to the harsh words you used about Joe. I want you to stop for 15 minutes and ask yourself why on Earth you would ever ask another human to chant those words. I've been a nurse for 35 yrs. Half in ICU and half in Hospice. I encourage a more positive internal dialogue. Try it for yourself, please.

We don't doubt your credibility and many here are equal in stature...it's just not important. Opinions about what you heard and how you reacted are personal and only require ears and some kind of soul. So stick around and soak up some of the positives that dominate this forum. Share your knowledge, express your opinions, and again, make NO assumptions.

Now, repeat after me.."I have value, people love me, life is good"    Peace, Cathy

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This is what we here on the forum like talking about. Somebody that gets it.

http://www.oregonlive.com/music/oregoni … amp;coll=7

Jimmy if you don't or we don't  sorry. I decided it best to remove your last post because it is a little upsetting.

Edited to remove "have to"

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Nice review, not unlike the Monterey reviews. They didn't mention whether Isaac played "Stinky Britches" or "Salty Balls".

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27 (edited by fastjimmy61 2008-07-06 01:44:14)

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Jim M, you say you "have to" remove my post? Is the there a law that requires it? No, you've made a judgement call, which is your job as moderator. I accept that. But don't hide behind a "have to", man, there's nobody holding a gun to your head.

There's been a lot of things said here, by me and others, I wish just hadn't been said at all. I apologize for my part of it. The root of it is that I wanted Joe to be somebody he's not, I projected him to be an old school Blues person, and he just ain't one. This is all on me, 100%. Y'all got a right to be pissed at me for being an ****.

Some of you have said things about me that have been way out of line, and have put words in my mouth that I have not even come close to saying, and that's really hurt my heart, but I'll eat all that in the spirit of reconciliation.

When you're the only person in the theater yelling fire, you should probably shut up. That be me.

Jimmy

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fastjimmy61 wrote:

The root of it is that I wanted Joe to be somebody he's not, I projected him to be an old school Blues person, and he just ain't one. This is all on me, 100%. Y'all got a right to be pissed at me for being an ****.

That's exactly my problem, you go to a show and it's not your cup of tea. Then you come on his forum, and insult him (calling someone a poser, just because he puts on a show, is an insult). Just chill out... and appreciate Joe for what he does...or not. Joe never claimed to be old school, he's a blues rocker, although he can break out old school blues that will make you cry (Asking Around for You).

This really is a friendly place, you just came on too strong (especially with your first post!). I repeat...just chill out a little. smile And who knows...now that you know what Joe does, I bet you'll find yourself becoming a fan before you know it...it's almost impossible not to be, especially for a guitar player!

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ken wrote:
fastjimmy61 wrote:

The root of it is that I wanted Joe to be somebody he's not, I projected him to be an old school Blues person, and he just ain't one. This is all on me, 100%. Y'all got a right to be pissed at me for being an ****.

That's exactly my problem, you go to a show and it's not your cup of tea. Then you come on his forum, and insult him (calling someone a poser, just because he puts on a show, is an insult). Just chill out... and appreciate Joe for what he does...or not. Joe never claimed to be old school, he's a blues rocker, although he can break out old school blues that will make you cry (Asking Around for You).

This really is a friendly place, you just came on too strong (especially with your first post!). I repeat...just chill out a little. smile And who knows...now that you know what Joe does, I bet you'll find yourself becoming a fan before you know it...it's almost impossible not to be, especially for a guitar player!

And Ken is a guitar player, a good one.  BTW Ken, Ryan said he was very surprised you got that sound outa that strat...

and Jimmy, apology accepted, at least by me, let's move on.  nuff said bout that.

welovesjoe
yeswedoes

Rock On & Keep the FAITH
             It is
Blues From the Bottoms

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I apologize for my apology...wait, that makes no sense smile LOL smile

I was sent a note off forum that was oh so sweet and just the tastiest gumbo. She help put things in perfect perspective for me. I think it might be helpful for y'all to know I took lessons from Robbie Laws and Mark Stefani (Robbie's teacher). People familiar with Portland Blues and the Waterfront Blues Fest know the name Robbie Laws or they just haven't been paying attention. I'm no Robbie Laws, but I'm getting there. I was actually a jazz guy before coming to the Blues, studying under Dan Balmer (http://www.danbalmer.com). I'll tell you what people, Dan Balmer can match Joe note for note on speed, knowledge of the fret, knowledge of chords, on anything guitar wise. I'll make this claim, that is no one more masterful on the guitar than Dan Balmer. I've seen all the greats, Joe Bonamassa, Jimmy Thackery, Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, Pat Metheny, John Scolfied, Mike Stern, Bill Frissell, Robert Fripp, Frank Zappa, Joe Pass, Vernon Reid, Gary Hoey, Al DiMeola,... Any guitar hero that's played Portland in the last 28 years, I've seen them, and Dan Balmer is every bit as good as any of them. At that level, it is an apples to oranges comparison, who to you compare genius? Yes, I know some of you didn't hear it when I said it before, I believe Joe Bonamassa to be a guitar genius, on the path to becoming a music genius. Dan Balmer is already both, and what makes him different for me, why he's my favorite, is he's Oregon. Dan's music seeps, bleeds Portland, Oregon. Everything that is herky, jerky, freaky Portland Oregon comes out in Dan's alt jazz. You other Portlanders who go out to Jimmy Mak's on Monday nights to see Dan play with Jeff Leonard, George Mitchell, or Carton Jackson (there's a Blues name other Portlanders should recognize), or to hear Dan's band Go By Train, or to hear Dan play with one of Mel Brown's (Diana Ross's former drummer, band leader of band that won the Playboy Jazz Compititon) configurations, or maybe you have Diane Schurr's (http://www.dianeschuur.com) latest CD, Dan plays in her band now. Dan taught me to play moveable scales and chords over jazz changes at bepop tempos. I thanked him by joining a hard rock bank, The Butchers (see my MySpace site http://www.myspace.com/fastjimmysjam). I guess the Blues revealed by my playing on these tunes on my MySpace site gives some indication of my playing. This is all way before my 4 year depression. This is circa 1995, not sure...That's a Mexican Strat, Tube Screamer, Cry Baby Wah, and Fender Super 60. Current rig is a Pod XT into this 100 watt Fender Keyboard amp. Raise the hell hounds and the devil himself I can smile LOL smile

Well, time to get down the Waterfront. It's Gospell day, Linda Hornbuckle and Janice Scroggins, I'll be talkin' in tounges before it's over smile

Love you Joe Bonamassa peoples!!!!

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Have a great time Jimmy. If you really want people to know about Dan Balmer, I suggest you post a thread under "Other Artists" with maybe a link or youtube sample if possible. I'm glad you've hung around.             Cathy

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bigjeffjones wrote:

And Ken is a guitar player, a good one.  BTW Ken, Ryan said he was very surprised you got that sound outa that strat...

Thanks, Jeff! The strat has Kinman pickups, which I like a lot better than the stock texas specials. Probably 20% pickups and 80% the rig. I'll bring over the thinline tele next time, it sounds like no other tele you've heard (custom design Bill Lawrence pickups on that one), and it's light as a feather.

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bigjeffjones wrote:
ken wrote:
fastjimmy61 wrote:

The root of it is that I wanted Joe to be somebody he's not, I projected him to be an old school Blues person, and he just ain't one. This is all on me, 100%. Y'all got a right to be pissed at me for being an ****.

That's exactly my problem, you go to a show and it's not your cup of tea. Then you come on his forum, and insult him (calling someone a poser, just because he puts on a show, is an insult). Just chill out... and appreciate Joe for what he does...or not. Joe never claimed to be old school, he's a blues rocker, although he can break out old school blues that will make you cry (Asking Around for You).

This really is a friendly place, you just came on too strong (especially with your first post!). I repeat...just chill out a little. smile And who knows...now that you know what Joe does, I bet you'll find yourself becoming a fan before you know it...it's almost impossible not to be, especially for a guitar player!

And Ken is a guitar player, a good one.  BTW Ken, Ryan said he was very surprised you got that sound outa that strat...

and Jimmy, apology accepted, at least by me, let's move on.  nuff said bout that.

welovesjoe
yeswedoes

yeswedoeswedowedo
I accept it too.  Now come over here and get a big scrunchy heartfelt (I mean it) cyberhug (ok my chest ain't so soft and squishy, but...) 

Moving on...
Movin' on up, to the best side...To that deluxe department...

Hit it!
Fish don't fry in the kitchen;
Beans don't burn on the grill.
Took a whole lotta tryin',
Just to get up that hill.
Now we're up in the big leagues,
Gettin' our turn at bat.
As long as we live, it's
You and Me buddies,
There ain't nothin wrong with that.

Rock On, Hang On, and Keep the Faith,
Piece (of pie) Out,
Rocket

"He still doesn't charge for mistakes! wink"
http://jbonamassa.com/tour-dates/
"Everybody wants ta get inta the act!"
“Now, this isn’t your ordinary party crowd, here.  I mean, there are professionals in here.”

34 (edited by fastjimmy61 2008-07-07 08:21:03)

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You gotta walk a tight rope to keep from getting your hand slapped in this forum...some of the most nit picking people on the internet I've ever come across. I mean seriously, in the context of a thread on JB's performance at the WBF I wanna contrast Joe to Dan Balmer I'm suppose to jump over to the Other Artists Forum? Does that really make sense? Maybe post it both places, but man, in other places I hang on the internet I'd be justified in coming down on you with all the weight I could muster for this kind of nit picking. That would be the weight of all the water that sits on top of the Marianas Trench (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariana_Trench).

My wife keeps reminding me people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. She keeps forgetting after I moved from that place I had at the bottom of the Marianas Trench I moved into a card board box under the Burnside Bridge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burnside_Bridge). If my box gets all tore up, I just walk around for a short while down by the warehouses between the river and Martin Luther King Blvd (http://maps.live.com/?where1=438%20Sout … R,%2097214), South of Hawthorne, North of the Ross Island Bridge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Island_Bridge), until I find another box to my liking. Then I head back under the Burnside Bridge and start throwing them stones all over again smile LOL smile

Hey, man, JB was hands down the best guitar player at the WBF this year. Nobody else even came close, at least in my estimation. There were some other really, really good players, so this is a huge compliment I'm giving JB here. In terms of the music, well, for my tastes, I'd stack it up as follows:

Isaac Hayes
Paul Thorn
Reggie Houson and the Manamals
Curtis Salgado
Ben Rice & Mac Potts (Blues Cruise, friends of mine, 20 & 17 years old)
Arthur Adams
Joe Bonamassa

Isaac Hayes being on top of the list is as big a surprise to as I'm sure it is to you, especially if you were there, and saw that stroke addled old man barely able to make it on stage to sit down to his keyboard. Being a guitar junky and a practitioner of Jimi's stage antics I want hyper-energy from a front man. But Isaac hayes is Hot Buttered Soul, Black Mosses, and Shaft on a Sunday afternoon making slow and easy love with his lady. I think folks who thought Isaac Hayes was no big deal were projecting the movie Shaft onto him as a black action hero, like a black Rambo, and were expecting him to come out like a house a fire and  tear the place down. OK, I guess I'm just speaking for myself. Once I got that expectation out of my head, clued into the genius of the arrangements, the orchestration of synthesizer, guitar, bass, and vocals, that these elements had been expertly combined to create a lush hot buttered sound that simply filled all available space, as long as you open to it and listen.   

It's obvious to me the reporter from the Oregonian simply wasn't open to what Mr. Hayes was doing and missed why he has such a huge spot in the history of pop music. Mr. Hayes was rapping before the term was invented. Mr. Hayes' arrangements did in soul context wh  had never been done before, fill up all available space with that hot buttered sound, that spacious synth sound creating the back drop, the horns way over there, the guitar up and yonder, the bass way down low and heavy, and then the vocal strong, calm and in control, but oh-so in your face, telling you, I'm a tall, big, black man, and I ain't crossing the other side of the street to walk on that side walk for no white person. Just put it into historical context. 1968, Mexico City, a black man on the podium, medal around neck, black fist raised high in power and defiance. That music the Mr. Hayes played to close the night when JB played was all this and oh so much more, and it all went right over that Oregonian reporters head, as well as a good chunk of the crowd there out on the grass in the fish bowl as we WBF veterans call it.

So, here I am, y'all, just speaking truth. This is what I do. I'm not criticizing or trying to tear down, shout down anybody, just explaining how I see it, how I feel about it. Mr. Isaac Hayes has a huge spot in the history of music in the USA and I feel it's relevant I bring this up in this form because this thread is about the WBF, and the issue has been raised via an article in the Oregonian that JB stole the show from Mr. Hayes. Obviously I beg to differ in the strongest of terms. I would say Joe was a very admirable runner up, but common, man, how could Joe compete with Shaft, let alone Black Mosses?...:) LOL smile

Take care,
Jimmy Hale, aka Fast Jimmy
www.fastjimmy.com

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You complain about people putting words in YOUR mouth.  Cathy said, "IF you want people to know...IF...then start another thread. 

This is not every other place on the internet.  This is Joe's forum.

I am hip to Ike Hayes since Stax days, as are many here.  No lecture required.

My last post to you.  Your apology was accepted and you were invited to move on.  You did not.  You repeated your self justification ad nauseum.  Come into Joe's house and tell us all what we're doing wrong?

blablablablabla
byebyebyebye

Rock On & Keep the FAITH
             It is
Blues From the Bottoms

36 (edited by fastjimmy61 2008-07-07 10:38:51)

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OK, my friend, I'll concede you and everybody else on this thread the last word, not because I don't have a bazillion other words to say, just because it feels like the right thing to do. I'll just leave you with this passing thought. There's this philosopher named Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Wilh … rich_Hegel). He wrote a book titled The Phenomenology of Mind (sometimes translated Spirit) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Phenom … _of_Spirit). I read this book my junior year in college at Portland State. Taught a seminar on it to graduate students and professors my senior year. I keep a copy of it in my bathroom next to the toilet, you know, a little light reading. You talking down to me like I'm a mental midget just makes me smile, and if my reference to Hegel and his book doesn't put that into perspective for you, all I can say is, get a copy of the book and give it a read, then let's have a talk.

I'd like to apologize one last time to everybody on this thread for my childish behavior, and to thank all of you for helping grow a little, and most of all, for inspiring the Universe to send me a half decent song. I posted a song this morning to the Introductions forum titled Jimmy Says To Joe, 46 To 31. It incorporates the titles of bunch of my tunes. It's this thing I do, these stupid rhymes put to a I-IV-V groove, throw a nasty Jimi inspired lead over it, and that'd get it smile

You know, I stay pissed for about half a second, but I love people for life. That includes you people!!!!!

My motto: The best measure of wealth is the love and happiness we share with others, it's a Fast Jimmy's Jam y'all, and Joe Bonamassa was HANDS DOWN THE BEST GUITAR PLAYER AT THE WATERFRONT BLUES FEST 2008 !!!!!!

Take care,
Jimmy Hale