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Fletcher wrote:
Musicinmysoul wrote:

I prefer this version, recorded 10 years earlier.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE4HGlmtOcg

Whoo! Peter Green!

That's a good one too. The studio version drags though.

I'd have to agree, Fletch.....I never got why they tacked on that second "dreamy" half of Oh Well onto such a rockin' tune.  My guess is the "Green Manalishi" made that decision.....

I doubt Joe would consider Oh Well though, since he stated in another thread that he prefers to cover tunes that aren't already done.....at least not done that much.....

But there are a TON of Peter Green/orig. Fleetwood Mac tunes that I'd LOVE to see JB cover.....

If You Let Me Love You

Jumping at Shadows (actually a Duster Bennett tune...)

Tell Me All The Things You Do (this might be a very good choice, because the whole band could rock out on it...)

Green Manalishi (he could have a freakin' BLAST with that one...so would Carmine)

And on and on.....

You listenin' Joe??  Buddy???  Peter Green is like the King Solomon's Mine of potential covers.....

Now I'm gonna be playin' Peter Green for 3 days.....oh well.....

They're at home still runnin' for bells
Better San Juan
Than that blue collar hell

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SRV

Greeny was the man ok. Lots of space in his playing and he really felt the music.Very different from the Clappo style.When I was 13 /14 I used to help hump Macs kit in through the back door of a small bar they used to play in Bournemouth.They had a small but enthusiastic following then , much like JB now.Then Play On is one of my favourite albums and some of them would be good covers for JB.

No Ordinary Joe

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crossroads wrote:

SRV

Greeny was the man ok. Lots of space in his playing and he really felt the music.Very different from the Clappo style.When I was 13 /14 I used to help hump Macs kit in through the back door of a small bar they used to play in Bournemouth.They had a small but enthusiastic following then , much like JB now.Then Play On is one of my favourite albums and some of them would be good covers for JB.

Crossroads, I've never been more jealous of anyone in my entire life.....damn you!!

Closest I got was a show in Pittsburgh in 1970 (I think...) on the tour that Jeremy Spencer booked out of, and Greeny filled in after leaving the band.  That remains to this day a truly religious experience for me, and without a doubt the finest show I have EVER seen, bar none.  (Sorry Joe, but yer walkin' in some mighty big footprints...)

I can't even begin to imagine how thangs would have turned out for him had it not been for his particular excess in trying to expand his awareness.  As it is, he's still got it, even after having to teach himself how to play all over again, and working with a few less firing neurons.....

His tone is still a benchmark.....

Show Biz Blues would be a STELLAR cover, Joe.....

Couldn't find Greeny doin' it, but here's Rory's tribute:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pNrbE0T_nI

They're at home still runnin' for bells
Better San Juan
Than that blue collar hell

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SRV wrote:

I can't even begin to imagine how thangs would have turned out for him had it not been for his particular excess in trying to expand his awareness.  As it is, he's still got it, even after having to teach himself how to play all over again, and working with a few less firing neurons.....

Wait...the LSD trip robbed him of his ability to play the guitar??

"Music is the only thing that you can share with a million million people and you don't lose, you gain. It helps you to get energy and to live long, because when your soul is very happy then you don't want to die." - Ali Akbar Khan

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Musicinmysoul wrote:
SRV wrote:

I can't even begin to imagine how thangs would have turned out for him had it not been for his particular excess in trying to expand his awareness.  As it is, he's still got it, even after having to teach himself how to play all over again, and working with a few less firing neurons.....

Wait...the LSD trip robbed him of his ability to play the guitar??

From what I've read, there was more LSD (and electric shock therapy) when he was institutionalized to "fix" what the LSD had done to him in the first place.  And, according to quotes from McVie and Fleetwood, it wasn't merely a "trip" that put him there, it was an ongoing lifestyle.....

But I did read an interview with Peter Green, that probably took place about 10 years ago, where he stated that he had to teach himself to play all over again.

Maybe Crossroads has a better perspective, since he's closer to where it all occured.....

They're at home still runnin' for bells
Better San Juan
Than that blue collar hell

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What exactly did LSD do to him? I remember reading somewhere that he started dressing like Jesus and stuff like that after a 3 day long LSD binge that permanently changed his personality....not quite sure where I got that info though.

"Music is the only thing that you can share with a million million people and you don't lose, you gain. It helps you to get energy and to live long, because when your soul is very happy then you don't want to die." - Ali Akbar Khan

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From what I have read, Danny, he got to a point where he wanted to not only give all his money away, but to have the rest of the band give theirs away as well.  Of course they balked at that idea.  Not sure if that was the reason for his leaving the band.  But I've also read that after either threatening to shoot at, or actually shooting at, a postman trying to deliver royalty checks, his family (I think...) had him institutionalized as a paranoid schitzophrenic.....

I'll see if I can find the links later.....right now I smell burgers at the neighbors, and I gots me an invite.....

Just to stay on topic here:

Fast Talkin' Woman Blues.....Joe??

They're at home still runnin' for bells
Better San Juan
Than that blue collar hell

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Yeah, you know that whole part of Peter's life is kind of just shrouded in rumors, someone should do some thorough research and right a book on it or something...because it's such a shame that the world lost Peter Green as a guitarist.

How cool would it be if Joe pulled a couple songs from this thread for upcoming shows?

"Music is the only thing that you can share with a million million people and you don't lose, you gain. It helps you to get energy and to live long, because when your soul is very happy then you don't want to die." - Ali Akbar Khan

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Musicinmysoul wrote:

Yeah, you know that whole part of Peter's life is kind of just shrouded in rumors, someone should do some thorough research and right a book on it or something...because it's such a shame that the world lost Peter Green as a guitarist.

How cool would it be if Joe pulled a couple songs from this thread for upcoming shows?

I'm pretty sure Greeny wants it that way, Danny.  I mean, if I was locked up as a P/S, I'm not sure I'd want the whole world to know about the details either.....

I just got home from the BBQ, and don't feel much like lookin' for those links at the moment.....but I will tomorrow, I promise.  I understand the passion you have for him.

(btw, not sure about lately, but he did tour recently (within 5-10 years, I think...) with his "new" band The Splinter Group with Nigel Watson.....they do a SWEET version of "Goin' Down".....)

I did do a quickie though, and although it's something I already knew.....I think it bears pointing out to those that don't.....

Peter Green (born Peter Allen Greenbaum, 29 October 1946, in Bethnal Green, London) is a British blues-rock guitarist and founder of the band Fleetwood Mac.

A figurehead in the British blues movement, Green inspired B. B. King to say, "He has the sweetest tone I ever heard; he was the only one who gave me the cold sweats." Green's playing was marked with a distinctive vibrato and economy of style, as well as a unique tone from his 1959 Gibson Les Paul.[1] - a result of the guitar's neck pickup magnet being reversed to produce an 'out of phase' sound. He used a Fender Stratocaster on the track Albatross, and used a National resonator guitar on Oh Well Part I.

In my mind, he's a god.....

<<How cool would it be if Joe pulled a couple songs from this thread for upcoming shows?>>

It would make my decade, Danny.....

Joe, seriously.....listen to "If You Let Me Love You" (live) from the Man of the World anthology.....I think it's from the Boston Tea Party gig.....

THAT'S Peter Green's tone.....THAT'S what Les Paul intended.....and THAT'S what YOU can do too.....

They're at home still runnin' for bells
Better San Juan
Than that blue collar hell

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Hey Danny...

Wiki has a pretty good run down on Peter Green:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Green_(musician)

There's also some external links near the bottom of the page, some of which aren't bad.....

Haven't found where I read he had to re-learn the guitar, but I know I read it somewhere.  But I suppose most of what we read out here could be taken with a grain of salt.....

They're at home still runnin' for bells
Better San Juan
Than that blue collar hell

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SRV / Musicinmysoul,

One of the problems with Macs initial four man line up was that Jeremy Spencer played a slide guitar in open tuning which was a problem when Green was using different guitar tunings for minor key blues.The band was reduced to a trio.A very young Danny Kirwan was brought in to play second guitar for Greeny.This changed the band a bit as Jeremy was a die hard Elmore blues man and Mac would , from then on, venture into much more complicated Rock. From playing straight hard blues they ended up playing (for eg) Man of the World with Green and Kirwan dubbing 20 guitar takes on to an 8 track recorder.
Albatross was a track that Danny Kirwan pushed Greeny into doing.It was released in November 1968 .Of course , for the first time the band had a bit of money from a no1 (At least on this side of the pond) and they upgraded a lot of their kit.Around the time of the release of Albatross they were touring the States and bought back to the UK a whole lot of Orange Amps and Cabs which were the 'in thing' of the time.They came back to the UK in February 1969 and between then and the Summer I saw them for the last time.I remember it well.I was 14 and the venue was so packed that although I was 'standing' , my feet were not actually on the floor !
As regards other comments on 'money' , Greeny only wanted to be 'in a band'.The track Green Manalishi is his drug induced nightmare involving 'greenbacks' killing the band.I understand that Pete Green, destroyed by LSD , hid himself away for many years in a small room in West london just off the A4 and stayed housebound .There was a rumour that he would not cut his nails for many years.He was certainly in better shape in 1979/1980 when In the Skies was released.

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scottphilly wrote:

Tuesday's Gone With the Wind - SKYNYRD
Couldn't Stand the Weather - SRV
Le Grange -ZZ Top
Euruption- Van Halen


Scottphilly

yes, Couldn't Stand The Weather would be magical if Joe did it

"It makes it sound like the amp is about ready to explode, that's because it IS about ready to explode." -Joe

"I've come all the way from Colorado... Long way from my home. Give me the hammer that killed John Henry..." The Ballad Of John Henry

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Wow, I've always known Fleetwood Mac to be Green and Kirwan, I didn't know they had had a different second guitarist. I had always thought that Green's break down had been caused by one particular LSD binge, but it makes more sense that it was brought on through years of use.

"Music is the only thing that you can share with a million million people and you don't lose, you gain. It helps you to get energy and to live long, because when your soul is very happy then you don't want to die." - Ali Akbar Khan

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Thanks for the insight, CR.....not that I'm interested in lurid details of his rise and fall.....I just think it's one of the most phenomenal stories in music.  Like I said, in my mind, Peter Green is a god.....

It always freaks me out that there were 3 world class guitarists in that band, and Greeny, the best in the world IMO, not only shared the limelight with them, he nurtured them as well.....

I've read that Peter had no trouble helping Jeremy with his songs, but Jeremy didn't always like to reciprocate.  I'm pretty sure that quote came from Greeny, and he's not exactly one to toot his own horn. 

Also read that Danny Kirwan hit the skids pretty hard, and that's a damn shame too.  Thanks to youTube, I now realize that some of the guitar work that I was sure was Greeny, was actually Danny Kirwan.....and that's sayin' somethin'.....

Here's a vid that shows Jeremy Spenser's ability, Danny.  There's a ton more on youTube:

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=bSZHT2XvoLM

They're at home still runnin' for bells
Better San Juan
Than that blue collar hell

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Guys, if you are interested in knowing more about Peter Green you should read this authroised biography byt Martin Celmins. I think it is a great read. Some of it though is very sad, including an interview with Danny Kirwan living in a homeless hostel in London.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Peter-Green-Fle … amp;sr=1-2

By the way, it was not the postman trying to give the royalty cheque, it was his manager.

One fantastic Peter green song that is pretty unheard of is "Out Of Reach". He recorded it with John Mayall (although it is Green who sings vocals on it) and is an early insight into his mental state. It was opening song to the film City by the Sea. The song can be found on the album Thru The Years which is a collection of rare tracks. You will find it here:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Thru-Years-John … amp;sr=1-1

Out of reach is a track I'd love to hear Joe do.

Here is what Richie Unterberger at allmusic.com wrote about it:

"Out of Reach" originally appeared on the B-side of a non-hit single in early 1967. Though credited to John Mayall & the Bluesbreakers, this is really fronted by Peter Green, who wrote and sang the song. While it's since been made readily available on album reissue, it still remains frightfully unknown, even to many blues-rock, Mayall, and Green fans. Despite its obscurity, it endures as the first real full flowering of Green's peculiar brand of tortured genius. "Out of Reach," melodically, is a basic blues; there's nothing extraordinary about its chord structure, other than perhaps a greater emphasis on minor chords than most blues. What is extraordinary, though, is the eerie arrangement. It's hard to take a blues song, or a song in any popular music idiom, slower than "Out of Reach" is taken by the Bluesbreakers. The tempo is a lurching dirge-shuffle, one of the guitar parts wavering between notes as if it's part of an old tape that's wearing out and speeding up and down due to technical problems. That effect is deliberate, though, adding some otherwordly despair to Green's icily reverbed lead guitar licks. The lyrics, sung movingly if gruffly by Green, are even by the standards of the blues downcast, almost to the point of hinting at a suicidal state of mind. The foggy gloom is magnified by the drawn-out, hypnotic tempo, periodically punctuated by parts at which the band comes to a stuttering halt for Green to deliver particularly emotional lines of the verse. The solo sparkles, especially at the very end, when it descends and almost trails off into nothingness, ending on a whimsical note progression that very few standard blues guitarists would have chosen. Green's final sides with Fleetwood Mac have long been analyzed for their indication of a troubled mind whose demons were getting the better of him, causing him to question the whole meaning of his life. "Out of Reach," seldom brought into such commentaries, indicates that his propensities for such work were already in evidence in his Bluesbreakers days and stands up to most of his best Fleetwood Mac work in its level of bummed-out brilliance.
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=am … ftxqtdld6e

"The recently formed Edinburgh Blues Club has identified an appetite for the personal communication between musicians and audience that the blues long ago perfected." The Herald Newspaper (Scotland)
http://www.edinburgh-blues.uk

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Thanks Dunc.....again, it's nice to have someone closer to the source.....

Here ya go...

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=-eE3_WVOc0Q

Didn't mean much to me when I was young and didn't have enough under me belt to appreciate what I was listening to, but it sure is sweet now.  Bittersweet, but sweet as honeysuckle nonetheless.....

The lyrics make sense now too.....as do the lyrics of Greeny doin' Duster's "Jumpin' at Shadows" (I'm just a picture of what I could've been) and his "Man of the World" (I just wish that I had never been born) and Show Biz Blues (Tell me anybody, do you really give a damn for me?) and on, and on, and on.....

And.....the depth of feeling in his playing makes more sense now, too.  He was pouring himself into, then out of that guitar.....like he was cleansing himself.....filtering demons through a '59 Les Paul and turning them into beautiful music.....

I know we've highjacked this thread, but it's worth it if it exposes more people to more than "Oh Well" or "Black Magic Woman".....

Thanks to you and CR for your insight.....

And Joe??  The ransom for this thread is a cover or 3.....c'mon buddy.....you know you want to.....

They're at home still runnin' for bells
Better San Juan
Than that blue collar hell

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Good Morning Little Schoolgirl. Everyone else has done it wink

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How about an old acoustic number by someone like Blind Boy Fuller? That would generate some interest in post-war blues. Sadly I'm not too aware of this era myself. Rory Gallagher covered Pistol Slapper Blues, so a song like that would be great.

"The recently formed Edinburgh Blues Club has identified an appetite for the personal communication between musicians and audience that the blues long ago perfected." The Herald Newspaper (Scotland)
http://www.edinburgh-blues.uk