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Re: watermelon slim

I'd have never got into the blues myself if I had not listened to Gary Moore, so I can see what you're saying. On the other hand would Robert Johnson have liked Cream's version of Crossroads?
Slim does I think possibly does like to make some controversial statements tgoing by his web blogs, and I supect he has not listened to as much of Joe as he would like to make out! He probably needs a taste of Sloe Gin smile

Maybe I'll take him a copy!

"The recently formed Edinburgh Blues Club has identified an appetite for the personal communication between musicians and audience that the blues long ago perfected." The Herald Newspaper (Scotland)
http://www.edinburgh-blues.uk

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jim m wrote:

Slim is a blues purist. He doesn't care for Joe's style. He has a right to his opinion. I just hold it against him. Both Slim and Michael Burks played the club I booked. We had conversations about Joe. Needless to say there was quite a bit of Joe memorbilia on the walls of the club. Both expressed their opinions to me. I didn't ask they volunteered. I would always tell them the next time they see Joe to thank him. Because if it wasn't for him they wouldn't be standing there now.

I think its pretty silly for "purists" to downplay bluesrock or more elecric ampoed up blues artists.They all go together and the more rock oriented acts do bring over fans to also listen to more traditional blues,All styles should be embraced with open arms.I think sometimes the purists get jealous over the JB and KWS stlyes selling more cds/tickets.But hey its a open market/free country and people will listen to what they really like.

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Re: watermelon slim

My thoughts exactly Gary. Discovering one artist leads to another. If an artist like Joe is bringing in a nontraditional blues crowd and initiating them to the blues. The other artists of the genre' have a chance at getting them too.

After a long absence from the blues scene I caught Walter Trout at a festival. KWS had success with Blue on Black. I saw Kenny live. A few months later caught Joe. I got back to my blues roots. Explored other artists that I might of been missing too. Problem for me is it was hard to be impressed with all the rest after seeing the best.

There is a reason for Joe's success. Talent and drive. I think a lot of the others envy him and dismiss him as not the blues to justify the fact that they will never reach the same level of success Joe has.

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Re: watermelon slim

Angela wrote:

Hi SRV and Greenose,

Thanks for helping me try to figure out the song....I'm pretty sure it had lyrics so I don't think it was this one or this version, cool song though....I remember looking at the radio, because the artist and name of the song are on a small screen, (definitely ch something)  I know I liked the song and I had never heard it....when they play it again, I'll be sure to write it down and post back. Check writing woman, now that sounds like some big times blues...:)

SRV wrote:
Angela wrote:

I don't have any watermelon slim cd's, but have heard them on sirius blues...heard a cool song the other day...chicken (something) anyone know what the full name was?

Hey Angela.....could this be yer "chikan"??


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=585DuAbnOy8&NR=1

Hey Angela...

I just stumbled upon that video and saw that it was Super Chikan and Watermelon Slim.  Now, I've never heard of Super Chikan, but in my addled mind I thought maybe the song you heard was performed by Slim and Super Chikan, and you saw or heard "chikan" in the credits.....

I think maybe I've been watchin' a little too much "Monk".....

They're at home still runnin' for bells
Better San Juan
Than that blue collar hell

Re: watermelon slim

Here guys is an interview with Watermelon Slim from 2004 in which he mentions life, the blues and his views on Joe.

http://www.watermelonslim.com/Interview2bluesmatter.asp

Remember the guy is entitled to his opinion, perhaps though the interview will also give you some of the reasoning behind his views.

"The recently formed Edinburgh Blues Club has identified an appetite for the personal communication between musicians and audience that the blues long ago perfected." The Herald Newspaper (Scotland)
http://www.edinburgh-blues.uk

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Thanks for the link. I had never seen that before. So I guess you have to be an alcoholic derelict first to be a bluesman. Learn something new everyday.

Re: watermelon slim

jim m wrote:

Thanks for the link. I had never seen that before. So I guess you have to be an alcoholic derelict first to be a bluesman. Learn something new everyday.

You're funny Jim. 

Glad to see you're still teachable.  (choke spew) lol  I've said it before.  Purists can't agree on how blue the sky is.

I are one too.  I, being the unflinching realist that I am, do not argue with sucess.  Joe has teeth.  Call him what you will.  BIG SMILE!

To me Joe is a Young Gun Blues Guitarist.  Kevin Shirley is a Hard Rock producer.  Rick is a funk Keyboardist.  Carmine is a Hard Rock bassist.  Bogie is a Rock and Roll drummer.  Anton Fig is a show band drummer.

Wham THE SOUND!  I wouldn't call it blues, although there's blues in it.  I wouldn't call it just blues-rock because his acoustic stuff is extraordinary.  I wouldn't call it world music because the timing is too Ameripean, not jazzy although there are some jazzy touches...But nobody cares what I call it. 

I call it GOOD.  I like it just fine.  It is a blended experience. 

Years ago there was a blend of R&B bass and thundering drums, loud crunch blues rock guitar and a screaming madman of a vocalist and they redefined rock music with blues songs.  They were not a blues band.  and the sneerers came and went.

They however will live forever.  Slim...well.  Take a look around.

FDOL
BJJ

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             It is
Blues From the Bottoms

Re: watermelon slim

jim m wrote:

Thanks for the link. I had never seen that before. So I guess you have to be an alcoholic derelict first to be a bluesman. Learn something new everyday.

You'll understand why I didn't copy and paste the quotation with that reference to ahem "roosters!" smile

"The recently formed Edinburgh Blues Club has identified an appetite for the personal communication between musicians and audience that the blues long ago perfected." The Herald Newspaper (Scotland)
http://www.edinburgh-blues.uk

Re: watermelon slim

Tunnel vision is how I describe blues purists.  Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but Slim doesn't need to stoop to trash talk to get his point across, IMHO.

Based on the date of this interview, Joe exemplifies his class act style by playing Watermelon Slim 2 months ago on his April 14th Sirius Blues Cup of Joe.  The theme was-Blues Guitar Pioneers and Joe played "The Things I Use To Do".

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Re: watermelon slim

Nobody ever said to make Slim a roll model. He is unique and a vagabond entertainer. Like many he is a single "flavor". All this "purist" talk continues to annoy me to no end. It also exemplfies why Joe is so special. He is a full box of chocolate. He is a pioneer..saying "I'm a Bluesman and this IS the blues"....An education many older players need. Point of interest. Michael Burk's new CD has a song by "Free".... Again, I can't even get the Blues Foundation to define "the Blues". This makes me wonder what basis the so called "purists" use for their standard!!    Now I'm off to Jane's screaming thread.....      Cathy

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cathysiler wrote:

Nobody ever said to make Slim a roll model. He is unique and a vagabond entertainer. Like many he is a single "flavor". All this "purist" talk continues to annoy me to no end. It also exemplfies why Joe is so special. He is a full box of chocolate. He is a pioneer..saying "I'm a Bluesman and this IS the blues"....An education many older players need. Point of interest. Michael Burk's new CD has a song by "Free".... Again, I can't even get the Blues Foundation to define "the Blues". This makes me wonder what basis the so called "purists" use for their standard!!    Now I'm off to Jane's screaming thread.....      Cathy

You got that right about a roll model Cathy. I think the point I am trying to make is not that Slim is a bum turned blues man and Joe is a musician that plays the blues. The notion that Slim is authentic is what I have trouble with. In the eyes of the blues world Joe will never be accepted as authentic. To which I breathe a sigh of relief.

Slim himself believes because he has had a hard life entitles him to be a blues man. A middle class kid from upstate NY can't be real blues. Joe would of had to leave home live on the streets of some city taking a vow of poverty and drowning his sorrows for the bad luck befallen him with an occasional foray into drug addiction. Skip about 50 years of dental appointments and steal your clothes from Goodwill.

This pretty much describes the impression you get from Mr Homas, and the blues world embraces him. Not as a roll model but as an authentic bluesman with out being a man of color.

So Joe is on a mission to bring a new audience to the blues. These new fans are discovering artists associated with the genre'. Slim might even be one. Does Joe say? Don't pay any attention to Slim he is a guitar hack that mumbles when he sings because he has gums not teeth or does he say. Check out Slim. He is as close as you can get today to what a bluesman was like 75 years ago. Knowing Joe he'll say the latter.

Hope the scream helped.

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From that interview..."Joe Bonamassa and Johnny Lang are incomparably better guitarists than I shall ever be, but they're kids. They've never sweated or bled for a bare living in their lives." What a crock!  How would he know? Only truckers know???!!! Smells like b.s., you know the rest...

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