Topic: Seeking Transcendant

Okay, I again come to you folks for help.  I do not have a radio shift coming up, but might consider adding some Joe to my podcast if I can get something good out of you.  So the article is pretty wide right now, but as we look at future of music, we see these bands that have sort of become cottage industries.  Our boy Joe being one of them.

But if you spend time in LA, you get to see the so called musician as DJ.  For example, the guys from Fall Out Boy, and Good Charlotte.  They spend more time spinning records, the touring.  A good part of this is the cost it takes to move a record by them, labels have lost interest in making their records.  So these guys are out of work, and they are trying to get on TMZ, to keep there piss poor clothing company going.

Cats like John Mayer, no records.  Too expensive.  So he is famous for making out with Brad Pitts ex now, and getting a tattoo.

Someone like drummer Travis Barker now is a highly sought after session man, and his clothing company that existed before his band broke, is his primary focus.

But, at the same time there are bands that are outside of that, that tour, release records, and manage to survive.  For example Joe B, playing all the time, supporting the band, the bus, the office, the merch company, the record company...all of it turns off of Joes live show and his ability to deliver and maintain his fans.

Someone like Social Distortion, after 25 years as a punk band sold 34 nights in a row OUT at the Orange County house of blues.  Mike Ness tours with a second band to 3000 seaters, playing with Springsteen on the east coast.  All of this allows him to tour, and suppor the machine regardless of his label.

The Black Keys, cat Power, North Mississippi All Stars.

Early example of would by Buddy Guy spending January at Legends, every year, and it being thirty of the biggest nights.  Regardless of whatever he had going, he came home for those weeks.

We see more and more labels changing the business model, embracing Record Label 2.0.

Beck has a great perspective on this, even for someone who is an institution.  He talked about Keith Richards, and how no matter how big the machine gets, you place someone between you and the swirl, and you play guitar.  He talked about how soon it will be mega bands like Jay Z, the Stones, U2, and that ilk, and then everyone else in a van.  Putting out music for free.  Touring hard.  A rebirth in live music.

RS got me, and please start your laughing now, an interview with Celine Dions manager, who is her husband I think.  She opened Vegas up to a new era of musician, and now you see it being something differant.

Venues like The Joint, Boulder Junction, and so many others, are real music clubs. 

So my question to you is this, who else is successful?  I do not want to make it about money, but lets use our boy Joe as an example.  I remember Joe rocking a BMW 7 series.  Owning the home in LA.  Making coin.  Supporting a top notch touring band, with a seriously expensive  promotion budget.

Who is like that?

Not the dude rocking the nice dodge van, but the dude rocking the new winnie.  The dude who is technically not struggling.

I am looking for bands that are surviving because of their business savvy, but have not stopped playing live music.

2 (edited by JohnTB 2008-05-28 04:01:23)

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Good question :x and I'd have to say Muse they seem to be on never ending Gig's which are all sell outs... Release wise I think its usually an Album a year or a bit longer no sign of one this year... They simply put on a good show which keeps people coming back I guess...

I think whats more interesting if not amazing with Joe is he's selling blues

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was there a question? if there was I missed it...

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Dino wrote:

So my question to you is this, who else is successful?  I do not want to make it about money, but lets use our boy Joe as an example.  I remember Joe rocking a BMW 7 series.  Owning the home in LA.  Making coin.  Supporting a top notch touring band, with a seriously expensive  promotion budget.

Who is like that?

Not the dude rocking the nice dodge van, but the dude rocking the new winnie.  The dude who is technically not struggling.

I am looking for bands that are surviving because of their business savvy, but have not stopped playing live music.

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JohnTB wrote:

Good question :x and I'd have to say Muse they seem to be on never ending Gig's which are all sell outs... Release wise I think its usually an Album a year or a bit longer no sign of one this year... They simply put on a good show which keeps people coming back I guess...

I think whats more interesting if not amazing with Joe is he's selling blues

I'd agree with John on this one. They really put on a good live show. Another for me would be the Foo Fighters, whether you like them or not, they tour very hard, and they put on a heck of a show.

"Music should strike fire from the heart of man, and bring tears from the eyes of woman."
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Interesting perspective and question. I don't have anything to contribute in direct response to your question, re: "Who else is successful?" (at least within the the scope of the dynamics you have outlined). But I would submit that Joe's consistent growth and success in my opinion are due (in part) to the very dynamic that has hindered the sustained success of other artists who have followed the "traditional" music business model.

Joe talent and amazing work ethic aside, a lot of credit must be given to Roy Weisman and Len Bonamassa. It was Roy and Len who told Joe early on (in recognition of the trends in the record industry) that, "We're going to have to do this the old fashioned way." Building a fan base with lots of hard work; touring incessantly, public appearances (ie: Blues in the Schools, etc), and by maintaining a modest and appreciative pubic persona with the fans and the media. To Joe's credit he's taken that ball and ran with it very well.

That's not to say Joe's music doesn't stand on it's own merit. It certainly does. But there are countless other musicians out there that can and do produce some outstanding music too - but who will never know the level of success that Joe does now. Artists who sign away their creative control and/or fall victim to the current state of the record industry by depending on a major label for their success.

I know it's a simplistic view and there's more to it than what I've touched on here. However I do feel that Joe's success is not only the result of his music but also a result of the direction he was pointed in - and the work ethic Joe then applied to that direction.

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Green Day comes to mind as they went from living out of a van to selling out stadiums. They never forget their roots however by returning to hole in the wall clubs where they got their start, namely 924 Gilman in Berkeley where they first developed a following. The weekend before last they did an unannounced gig at tiny Toot's Tavern in Crocket, a little blue collar town located next to Rodeo where Billy Joe grew up in the East Bay. Granted they've made their millions and live in very large homes in Berkeley these days thanks to record deals, but they got there through perseverance and now they do it on their terms, but still keep it real.

                                                                                              Think Green (Day),

                                                                                              J Dawg

What is success? Is it do yo' own thang, or is it to join the rest?   -Allen Toussaint

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PaulB74 wrote:
JohnTB wrote:

Good question :x and I'd have to say Muse they seem to be on never ending Gig's which are all sell outs... Release wise I think its usually an Album a year or a bit longer no sign of one this year... They simply put on a good show which keeps people coming back I guess...

I think whats more interesting if not amazing with Joe is he's selling blues

I'd agree with John on this one. They really put on a good live show. Another for me would be the Foo Fighters, whether you like them or not, they tour very hard, and they put on a heck of a show.

Yup and Im seeing them again this monday really good show always try involving the crowd

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I agree about the FooFighters.


But success has just so many scales...it basically boils down to anybody you enjoy listening to has accomplished some sort of success.

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10 (edited by suhl 2008-05-28 13:21:07)

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let me be blunt.  crap bands like fallout boy hash out soulless records for money and really arent that good of musicians so they put on forgettable live shows that would be near sickening to anyone who truly appreciates music and all the hard work putting on a good show and writing and arranging good songs takes.  so they write these weakass sap "punk" and i use the term very very loosely and poison the minds of the youth for a quick dollar meanwhile the real ones play with soul even if only three people are into them they play because they love it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fCdNsm7gvu8

If wine and pills were hundred dollar bills
I might keep you satisfied

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Suhl,

IF you look, Fall Out Boy do not have a new record coming.  The overhead on bands like that is too much for labels to take on now.

That is my point.  Who succeeds with a small overhead?

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what do you mean by overhead like the cost of printing millions of records and advertising or what?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fCdNsm7gvu8

If wine and pills were hundred dollar bills
I might keep you satisfied

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Stu Craig wrote:

Interesting perspective and question. I don't have anything to contribute in direct response to your question, re: "Who else is successful?" (at least within the the scope of the dynamics you have outlined). But I would submit that Joe's consistent growth and success in my opinion are due (in part) to the very dynamic that has hindered the sustained success of other artists who have followed the "traditional" music business model.

Joe talent and amazing work ethic aside, a lot of credit must be given to Roy Weisman and Len Bonamassa. It was Roy and Len who told Joe early on (in recognition of the trends in the record industry) that, "We're going to have to do this the old fashioned way." Building a fan base with lots of hard work; touring incessantly, public appearances (ie: Blues in the Schools, etc), and by maintaining a modest and appreciative pubic persona with the fans and the media. To Joe's credit he's taken that ball and ran with it very well.

That's not to say Joe's music doesn't stand on it's own merit. It certainly does. But there are countless other musicians out there that can and do produce some outstanding music too - but who will never know the level of success that Joe does now. Artists who sign away their creative control and/or fall victim to the current state of the record industry by depending on a major label for their success.

I know it's a simplistic view and there's more to it than what I've touched on here. However I do feel that Joe's success is not only the result of his music but also a result of the direction he was pointed in - and the work ethic Joe then applied to that direction.

I recall talking with Joe after a show and he was talking about all the tour dates, appearances, etc... and he was so genuinely warm and considerate in further explaining the number of people dependent on his success.  I  think Joe is one of the hardest working musician's out there and I think he is one smart businessman ...........Joe is one unique soul.  I haven't told Joe this week yet, so here goes...Joe Bonamassa, You're The BEST!!

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Never ceases to amaze me on this forum about how people genuinely dig Joe smile

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I believe that Crosby Loggins is on the right track...

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Suhl,

To break a Fall Out Boy song or something, it is important to go radio still.  Radio costs a ton.

But for The Black Keys to break a song, they can just give it away on myspace.

To move a Fall Out Boy tour, it is millions a night, hige ticket prices.

The Black Keys first got a bus this year.  Last year, it was a really good van.

To promote a Fall Out Boy record, the guys gotta fly all over and do MTV, and the parties, and coast to coast.

OVerhead.