1 (edited by Libby 2008-04-10 14:12:51)

Topic: Reminder-Rock the Cradle w/ Crosby Loggins-Week 3-Tonight 10 PM ET/PT

Just a reminder that the new series, "Rock The Cradle, will run its second episode tonight, Thursday, April 10 at 10:00 PM ET/PT on MTV.

Please tune in and REMEMBER TO VOTE FOR CROSBY LOGGINS!!!  smile 

Crosby thanks you, and JOE thanks you too!!!


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For those of you who may have missed the premiere episode, here's a little info from my thread from last week:

MTV's new show, Rock the Cradle, will feature the music of "our own" Crosby Loggins, along with the children of several other music legends.  Eight episodes of competitive performances in front of their parents, a panel of judges, and a live audience should prove to be a unique opportunity for Crosby and  the other contestants to "get their name out there".  The results of the competition will eventually be in the television viewers hands.

I will be tuned in because, I think this show will provide some entertainment with a new and different twist.  When the time comes to vote, I hope you will remember that a vote for Crosby will not only be a vote for a particularly talented young singer/songwriter, but, also for a really nice guy as well.  Crosby Loggins ROCKS in more than one way.  Remember too, that Crosby is on Joe's record label, and so, when we support Crosby, we are supporting Joe too!!!!  Tune in and VOTE!!!!

Please click here to see all the ways we can lend a hand.......

http://www.jbonamassa.com/clmailout/


and, here's the link to MTV's "Rock The Cradle" webpage:

http://www.mtv.com/ontv/dyn/rock_the_cr … ries.jhtml


smile  Libby  smile

I know that Joe could play one of those kid's guitars with the plastic strings and make it sound good-
Bill S.

2 (edited by vinceesquire 2008-04-10 16:48:10)

Re: Reminder-Rock the Cradle w/ Crosby Loggins-Week 3-Tonight 10 PM ET/PT

i'm sorry...but IMHO i think that show is terrible...

there's more talent on American Idol this year...

Re: Reminder-Rock the Cradle w/ Crosby Loggins-Week 3-Tonight 10 PM ET/PT

I'm afraid you may not be alone in your assessment of the show Vince.  However, in MY humble opinion, Crosby's performance was anything but terrible, and, for me, it's about support - for Crosby and for Joe.  Perhaps you could tune in and use your mute button when necessary.  Just a thought.


smile  Libby  smile

I know that Joe could play one of those kid's guitars with the plastic strings and make it sound good-
Bill S.

Re: Reminder-Rock the Cradle w/ Crosby Loggins-Week 3-Tonight 10 PM ET/PT

just watched a recap of the show at the link you posted...do i think crosby is good? a little. do i think he'll probably win the show? probably because he's better than everyone else thats competeing...but do i think he has the "it factor" to sell millions of records and be an international superstar for many many years to come like his dad? not in the slightest....but then again i guess thats why the show exsists in the first place right? if that were the case he'd probably have a major label record deal and platinum albums already...

i definitely think Eddie Money's daughter is at the very bottom of the barrel though...

Re: Reminder-Rock the Cradle w/ Crosby Loggins-Week 3-Tonight 10 PM ET/PT

I do think it is of importance that Joe thinks he's good enough to have him on his label.

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6 (edited by Libby 2008-04-10 18:44:36)

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Deezer wrote:

I do think it is of importance that Joe thinks he's good enough to have him on his label.

I agree wholeheartedly Deezer, which is why I mentioned it in my opening post.  Not everyone is aware of that fact.  I trust Joe - his opinion and his taste.  Beyond that, I also happen to enjoy Crosby, both as a talented singer/songwriter and a very gracious, humble and personable young man.

I know that Joe could play one of those kid's guitars with the plastic strings and make it sound good-
Bill S.

7 (edited by vinceesquire 2008-04-10 18:46:34)

Re: Reminder-Rock the Cradle w/ Crosby Loggins-Week 3-Tonight 10 PM ET/PT

do you honestly think this guy will sell millions of records though?

also, if he wins, he gets a deal with Jive records...there goes his deal with Joe's label, which is too bad because if that happens, look for his sound to change dramatically because Jive is a pop label (britney spears, justin timberlake, chris brown etc. are all under Jive) that will suck the heart and soul right out of your music in order to make a quick buck.

Re: Reminder-Rock the Cradle w/ Crosby Loggins-Week 3-Tonight 10 PM ET/PT

Does Joe sell millions of records? No. Does that mean he's talentless? Of course not. Does that mean he doesn't have the "it" factor? Heck no.

I didn't really say anything about him winning, I could care less. Just disagreeing with the fact that talent=selling records. Because otherwise we would all think that Joe had no talent. Although, he is improving in the record sales department with each passing release.

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Re: Reminder-Rock the Cradle w/ Crosby Loggins-Week 3-Tonight 10 PM ET/PT

Thanks Libby!
The show was pretty terrible, so I don't think I'll watch the whole thing, but I will vote for Crosby.
Last week, Crosby's performance was good, but he was SO much better the six times I saw him open for Joe last fall. Like I said on the other thread, I hope Crosby has a chance to show off his songwriting skills and sing one of his own tunes. I think he's got loads more talent than we saw on the first episode.

Re: Reminder-Rock the Cradle w/ Crosby Loggins-Week 3-Tonight 10 PM ET/PT

Vince, Selling a million records is an improbability due to the state of the record industry as a whole. Will Crosby have a better chance signed to a major label? Of course he does. Will that mean compromises? of course it does. Maybe he doesn't win. Maybe he is just exposed to millions of potential fans that would of never seen or heard of him without the show. Isn't that a little why you are promoting yourself here. To reach out to some potential fans. I don't see the difference.

Crosby declined the show three times. Joe and others convinced him what could it hurt. True none not even Croby are AI material. But like Idol the losers still win. Some of the most succesful didn't finish first. It gave them a leg up in one of the hardest professions to succeed in. This could give Crosby a leg up.

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Okay, I'll say this, and then I'm going back to doing something positive, like baking cookies for the Back Door Slam lads......

Yes, Vince, I think that it is certainly a possibility that he could sell millions of records.  Why not?  Especially in the face of the garbage we are told is "good" and are force fed on a daily basis.

I know that Crosby struggled with the decision to do this show - for a long time.  I know that he has struggled to get out from the shadow of his father's music, in order to be true to his own voice.  I have trouble believing, that after all of that effort, he would put himself in the position of being shaped and molded into some hideous pop version of himself.

Furthermore, I am not in the business, and so, am not equipped, in general, to respond to your questions about the record deal, nor specifically as it would effect Joe.  What I DO know, is that Joe has asked for our support with this venture, which leads me to believe that he wants it to happen, for whatever reason.  Again, I trust Joe Bonamassa.  And so, for all of the reasons I have previously stated, I will continue to support Crosby

Back to bakin',

smile  Libby  smile

I know that Joe could play one of those kid's guitars with the plastic strings and make it sound good-
Bill S.

Re: Reminder-Rock the Cradle w/ Crosby Loggins-Week 3-Tonight 10 PM ET/PT

Okay, you guys were busy posting while I was still writing.......

I agree with you Lee, that that was NOT Crosby's best performance last week.  I also thought the band was TOO loud and I could not hear HIS guitar.  I am hopeful that he will have more opportunities to showcase all of his talents AND his personality.

Back to the cookies........talk amongst yourselves.........:)  Libby  smile

I know that Joe could play one of those kid's guitars with the plastic strings and make it sound good-
Bill S.

13 (edited by vinceesquire 2008-04-10 20:14:52)

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jim m wrote:

Vince, Selling a million records is an improbability due to the state of the record industry as a whole. Will Crosby have a better chance signed to a major label? Of course he does. Will that mean compromises? of course it does. Maybe he doesn't win. Maybe he is just exposed to millions of potential fans that would of never seen or heard of him without the show. Isn't that a little why you are promoting yourself here. To reach out to some potential fans. I don't see the difference.

Crosby declined the show three times. Joe and others convinced him what could it hurt. True none not even Croby are AI material. But like Idol the losers still win. Some of the most succesful didn't finish first. It gave them a leg up in one of the hardest professions to succeed in. This could give Crosby a leg up.

actually its quite a bit different...i'm here promoting me because i didn't have the luxury of having a superstar for a father (which is the only reason anyone is on that show...not because of their talent) nor the luxury of being on a TV show like that...thats why I perfer Idol...it gives a chance to someone who in any other circumstances would have never ever gotten a foot in the door in the music business...not only that but i'm glad to see AI is allowing the contestants the opportunity to play their own instruments...

selling a million records isn't an improbability if you have the certain something that people want...true the industry is in peril right now, but look at artists like John Mayer...he's the real deal and no matter what he puts out, it sells like crazy...and its not "garbage". True that for every John Mayer there are 4 or 5 Britney Spears waiting in the wings, but i think in order to get to that point, you have to be the total package...and i dont believe this guy is. sorry. maybe one day i'll eat my words...but until then, i'll stick with my prediction now...

honestly, i think he should have taken Joe's advice when he said it could hurt...because if somehow this guy wins, he's going to surely dread having to work under Jive records because they sure don't need him on the label to make any more money than their other artists make...meaning he will do what they tell him to or they will drop him...simple as that.

boo to Jive records...talk about promoting and distributing trash to the masses!

14 (edited by vinceesquire 2008-04-10 20:11:30)

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Deezer wrote:

Does Joe sell millions of records? No. Does that mean he's talentless? Of course not. Does that mean he doesn't have the "it" factor? Heck no.

I didn't really say anything about him winning, I could care less. Just disagreeing with the fact that talent=selling records. Because otherwise we would all think that Joe had no talent. Although, he is improving in the record sales department with each passing release.

not selling millions of records doesn't mean an artist has no talent, but it does mean that there is something missing that isn't appealing to more of a mass market...thats all it is. Joe B is an amazing blues/rock/jazz etc. guitarist/vocalist...and thats great (otherwise why would we all be on this forum right?)...but these days that wont make you a household name like John Mayer (weither you only know him as the "Your Body is a Wonderland" guy or for more than that...i can guarantee your neighbor, your neighbor's kids and your neighbor's kids' best friends all know who that name is associated with) or Willie Nelson for instance...having the "it" factor means you have something ALMOST everyone (disregarding the fact that you cant always please EVERYBODY) can appreciate...from the 12-yr-old "tween" girls to 50 yr old housewives...unfortunately for guys like us, screaming lead blues/rock guitar is way out of vogue in most musical and unmusical circles...

but thats not to say there still isn't plenty of time to get to that point...

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I'm sorry, I disagree. There's a difference between being appealing and being sellable. The 16 year old girl is sellable. A guy like Joe is appealing. It may take him a long time, but trust me he can sell. Each record he has put out has outsold the previous. Trust me, he is on the cusp. Just because it is taking him longer because traditional doors are shut does not mean he can't sell a lot of records. It just takes time.

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16 (edited by vinceesquire 2008-04-10 20:21:32)

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Deezer wrote:

I'm sorry, I disagree. There's a difference between being appealing and being sellable. The 16 year old girl is sellable. A guy like Joe is appealing. It may take him a long time, but trust me he can sell. Each record he has put out has outsold the previous. Trust me, he is on the cusp. Just because it is taking him longer because traditional doors are shut does not mean he can't sell a lot of records. It just takes time.

yes but the thing about it is in this business, once you hit 35 or 36 years of age...if you havent made it by then by industry standards you are considered over the hill and might as well be put out to pasture. when's the last time you read about an act that was over the age of 36 (who hasn't previously sold a huge unit of records) going single or double platinum? it doesn't happen because the music business nowadays is a youthful market...you said so yourself by saying that a 16-yr-old girl is sellable...and unfortunately thats how the business has changed....and at the same time, being appealing isn't the same as being sellable. so as for it taking time, it's true...but there's not alot of time to be had.

Re: Reminder-Rock the Cradle w/ Crosby Loggins-Week 3-Tonight 10 PM ET/PT

vinceesquire wrote:
Deezer wrote:

I'm sorry, I disagree. There's a difference between being appealing and being sellable. The 16 year old girl is sellable. A guy like Joe is appealing. It may take him a long time, but trust me he can sell. Each record he has put out has outsold the previous. Trust me, he is on the cusp. Just because it is taking him longer because traditional doors are shut does not mean he can't sell a lot of records. It just takes time.

yes but the thing about it is in this business, once you hit 35 or 36 years of age...if you havent made it by then by industry standards you are considered over the hill and might as well be put out to pasture. when's the last time you read about an act that was over the age of 36 (who hasn't previously sold a huge unit of records) going single or double platinum? it doesn't happen because the music business nowadays is a youthful market...you said so yourself by saying that a 16-yr-old girl is sellable...and unfortunately thats how the business has changed....and at the same time, being appealing isn't the same as being sellable. so as for it taking time, it's true...but there's not alot of time to be had.

We can go round and round on this but I think it comes down to McDonald's hamburgers versus Filet Mignon.  Mickey D's sells more but would you say it is better?  If all you care about is who moves the most units you care more about the business than the music.  If that's your choice, good for you.  But you've lost my interest.  If someone can do it the right way like Joe without sacrificing his musical vision for focus groups and lowest-common-denominator marketing then that means something to me.  Gourmand vs. Gourmet.  Britney Spears versus Joe.  If Joe wanted to tart himself up and sell his soul to the highest bidder he could.  It's those "artists" who aim to be the flavor of the month whose careers are over by 35.  Remember, Joe's model is BB and Buddy, not Quiet Riot or Cinderella.

18 (edited by vinceesquire 2008-04-10 20:55:38)

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i'm over this conversation. it doesn't even really matter to me...joe's doin his thing and doing it well...better than i am obviously so there must be something i'm missing. but again...it doesn't matter to me. we're all going to go on our own paths.