1 (edited by Bluezman 2008-04-07 12:19:39)

Topic: Lower Drinking Age to 18?

I am a supporter to lower the legal drinking age to 18. I am well past that age so I have no personal interest in it, but if individuals are considered legal adults at 18, can marry, enter into legal contracts, serve thier nation, own a gun-- why can't they have a beer now and then? The argument that "well, 18 year old brains are just not developed enough to handle the drinking responsibility" is absurd, because if an 18 year old can do all of those other things I just stated, then they must be mature enough to drink. Pretty much the entire rest of the world recognizes this, but America. Although I think the drinking age should be lowerd, what do you think??

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I don't think it has much to do with age. I know some 45 year olds that would make you want to raise the drinking age to 50!
Seriously, I know some 18 year olds that are quite reasonable and could handle it, others that aren't ready.

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3 (edited by Bluezman 2008-04-07 13:25:53)

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Bill S wrote:

I don't think it has much to do with age. I know some 45 year olds that would make you want to raise the drinking age to 50!
Seriously, I know some 18 year olds that are quite reasonable and could handle it, others that aren't ready.

Here here Bill S well said

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4 (edited by Beerdog80 2008-04-07 13:38:44)

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Bill S wrote:

I don't think it has much to do with age. I know some 45 year olds that would make you want to raise the drinking age to 50!
Seriously, I know some 18 year olds that are quite reasonable and could handle it, others that aren't ready.

actually age has a huge impact on this issue...and THAT is where the problem lies.  A PERSON is a smart, reasonable being.  PEOPLE are dumb, stupid cattle.

   I would say from a law enforcement (what I do) standpoint...18 is a very bad idea.  Reason  is 18 year olds generally hang out with others within their peer group...meaning high schoolers.  Once a person gets older and begins to hang around newer (usually other, older people) the chances for things going bad in any context are reduced since they generally have more life experience and have learned the consequences of bad decisions (speaking in broad terms here). 
  Plus, the LITERAL development of the brain itself is a major sticking point.  A younger persons cognitive process (the decision making part of the brain) is not as developed as a person who is older.  Why is that important?  Because a person who is lacking in that part of the brain (younger people) will only see the 'fun' or 'most enjoyable' in relation to a given situation.  Not the possible repercussion's that accompany all decisions.

   ***off the soap box***

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Come on over to the UK and see what alcohol does to young people.

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ReverendPaul wrote:

Big mistake. If anything raise it to 25.
As far as the other things they can do at 18. Maybe someone should look at how well they are doing those at 18 before giving out more privilages.

Ditto!!....this is coming from a recovering alky!.....started when I was 10, went fulltime at 16....screwed up all my dreams of being a professional baseball player...if alcoholism runs in your family , you are already facing an up hill battle....hey maybe I'm just a loser, whatever

Dave

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ummmm I'd say down to 12... they should learn how to drink before they learn how to drive...not the other way around. Isn't that what it is in France???

hell i dont know. i dont drink anyway. raise it to 25 for all I care!

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BluesMan wrote:
Shredit wrote:
ReverendPaul wrote:

Big mistake. If anything raise it to 25.
As far as the other things they can do at 18. Maybe someone should look at how well they are doing those at 18 before giving out more privilages.

Ditto!!....this is coming from a recovering alky!.....started when I was 10, went fulltime at 16....screwed up all my dreams of being a professional baseball player...if alcoholism runs in your family , you are already facing an up hill battle....hey maybe I'm just a loser, whatever

Dave

Hey Dave,

You're not a loser in my book. You're my friend and a great father and husband! Of course, I'm not sure that makes you feel a lot better by me saying you're my friend? That sometimes scares other friends of mine.

Here's how I feel, if you don't drink or smoke, don't start! If you do, cut down. Life is way too short and there's no sense making it shorter.

Roy

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Over here you´re allowed to drink beer at 16 and the "harder stuff" at 18.
But the kids (and I mean KIDS, at 12/13)  just go to the supermarket and most of the time they´re not even asked to show their ID card and can buy whatever they want ... we have a lot of discussions going on about this here, because some of them die and then the media is interested for 2 weeks and drops the topic again after that. Don´t know if you have that too in America - but lately you find those "flatrate - parties" everywhere where you pay a certain ammount of money and can drink as much as you want then ... like "all you can drink".

But it´s hard to say what´s the "right age" to be responisble enough ... some are responsible at the age of 15, some at the age of 30 and some maybe never ....

Eva

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Wise words Eva....wise words.


"But it´s hard to say what´s the "right age" to be responisble enough ... some are responsible at the age of 15, some at the age of 30 and some maybe never ....

Eva"

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I, on the other hand, am battling the b'stard flu bug and I'm trying not to take any time off work....so purely for medicinal reasons I wil take a shot or two of Knob Creek before retiring to my bed but I promise to try and sleep responsibly so that I may awaken refreshed and full of the joys of spring.......if it ever stops snowing!!!!

Geoff

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12 (edited by suhl 2008-04-07 17:31:45)

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id say lower it to 18 or get rid of it.  you look at places without a limit or a lower limit the teen drinking statistics are significantly better.  you think the drinking age prevents kids that want alcohol from getting it, you are simply wrong.  im about to turn 21 so i no longer have any personal interest in it, but i do think if you did it now, preferably just got and gave it some time(i'm talking decades) alcohol wouldnt be given the forbidden fruit type treatment and there wouldnt be as much binge drinking with younger kids and then the problems associated with that would also decrease.  of course binge drinking is never going to totally go away, it is after all fun now and then, but it may happen less and the problems associated with it like i say may fade alittle bit.  i agree with eva too, responsibility doesnt really have an age limit.  you get some people still binging and driving drunk their whole lives and you get some safer kids.  anyway i dont think you are that much more responsible at 21 than 18.

as for what shred is saying i view that as a personal responisbility thing.  im not putting you down(alcholism runs in my family too) but obviously the law had nothing to do with you starting to drink at ten.  the law was in place and you were still able to drink.

here is my point.  as someone who can represent the recent laws etc, i wasnt a part of the hip cool drinking crowd at all in highschool, but i could still get alcohol pretty much whenever i want.  my real point is that the law really doesnt prevent kids from getting alcohol, just like drug laws don't prevent kids from getting drugs.  although hell it does apparently prevent them better than the drug laws.  that is a whole different problem though

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13 (edited by gsj 2008-04-07 17:36:32)

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Yet again...wise words, this time from suhl. "my real point is that the law really doesnt prevent kids from getting alcohol, just like drug laws don't prevent kids from getting drugs."  ........but it allows the politicians to tax the hell out of those of us that do drink sensibly doesn't it!

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Here's a thought.  And it's not that big of a stretch.  18 and drunk?  Keys in your pocket?  Gonna give 'em up?

Obviously I'm not talking about a kid that has wine with dinner, has coffee with dessert and then takes his date home.  So don't flame me about that.  I'm with Bill.

Drink and drive and kill one of my family and I get to publicly execute the guilty party.  Does that sound uncivilized?  Is that a fair trade?  You're 18 or 48 and you drink...fine.  Give me your keys.  No questions.

Drunk driving is morally irresponsible for all the obvious reasons at any age.  Get drunk at whatever age and hurt somebody and natural selection becomes the deciding factor.

Even though I am one of them there recovered sorts, I have no problem with anybody partying or "taking the edge off," however they so desire.  I don't even think it should be against the law.  That's my choice.  I have fuel in my shed out back...not gonna drink that either.    Just give up the wheels.

Bluezman has a point...as do others.  Experimentation becomes illegal and therefore chic, glamorous and dangerous.  The laws are ineffective, somewhat.

But I can't help wondering if young people would feel differently if it were their kids they were giving permission to.  I hear stories and see cases (it's my job) all the time about underagers do this and that...WHERE ARE THEIR PARENTS?

Shred is not alone.  I'm not either.  It's a big enough crap shoot out there.  I wonder how adding alcohol to the hot blooded 18 - 20 population would make it safer.  Some recovered folks have children they've never seen...

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Kids are going to drink anyway. I remember beer being at parties when I was in 9th grade. Don't touch the stuff though, personally.

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ReverendPaul wrote:

Big mistake. If anything raise it to 25.
As far as the other things they can do at 18. Maybe someone should look at how well they are doing those at 18 before giving out more privilages.

I would say many 18-21 year olds are doing a fine job serving our nation in Iraq right now.

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Alot of great comments. I agree 18 maybe yes maybe no, when I turned 21 the thrill of trying to get and then drinking lost it's excitiment. Biggest issue I see is 18 most are still in school or have Many firends in lower grades, so guess who's buying the drinks. It's a double edge sword..

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Deezer wrote:
ReverendPaul wrote:

Big mistake. If anything raise it to 25.
As far as the other things they can do at 18. Maybe someone should look at how well they are doing those at 18 before giving out more privilages.

I would say many 18-21 year olds are doing a fine job serving our nation in Iraq right now.

Agreed!  On my flight home today the attendant announced that there were many service people on this flight and Delta Airlines wanted to thank them for their service and the entire flight exploded in spontaneous applause.

I caught one of the airborne guys eye to nod at him and he looked embarassed and humbled.  I almost lost it myself when he nodded back and turned away, rather quickly.  No words were spoken but there was an instant understanding; a connection if you will.  On the way off the plane I passed a female in fatigues and I stopped to let her out.  She waved me on and I said, "Thank you for your service."  When she looked at me and saw the star on my jacket, she said "No sir Thank you!"  and waved me on, again.  I hurried off the plane.

Earlier in the week a navy SEAL stood patiently to say something at this conference I was at and the speaker told everybody within shouting distance that we owe our lives to the men & women in uniform and that included cops and firefighters.  He had our attention.

Felt small.  That's just me.  I lived hard for some time before I settled down.  It's by grace that I'm coherent.  Things change with time.  What more to say?

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