1 Topic by Logo33 (edited by Logo33 2008-03-24 00:23:38)

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Topic: more amp blending.

Im sure this has been asked before, but i cant find it, so here it goes....

Im about to start trying some amp blending... i play through at fender hotrod deville 2x12 right now, and i want that to be my constant amp... like Joe's silver jubilee. I also want a vox 1x12, and a marshall 1x12. What pedal do i need to combine all 3, and then switch between the marshall and vox? I want to have a rig like joes... only on a much smaller scale.

And, can anyone maybe recommend a 4th amp to go in there... or do you see any problems with the idea i have?

Thanks,

Logan

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Re: more amp blending.

Hi all,
There are a couple different ways to go about doing what you propose.  Joe's setup has an Morley or Whirlwind?? A - B - Y splitter.  One side of the splitter runs to his Marshall Silver and the other to his Lehle 3 way splitter.  He then runs the 3 way switcher to the other three amps he is running.  He just uses the Lehle 3 way to switch between amps and never touches the two way switcher, but uses it more as a splitter.  So if you are going to run a three amp setup you will need some kind of splitter to run one line to your constant amp and one line to another splitter/switcher box.  The first splitter could be a stereo chorus or any pedal with two outputs for that matter (switching back and forth between A - B on this one doesnt really matter as both outputs will be left on all the time).  Next you will need a good A - B - Y switcher box to switch between the other two amps (you will need a three way switcher like Joe if you want to run three amps as well as your constant).  If you have a stereo chorus pedal try that out first as you will only have to buy one switcher.  I use a Radial Engineering Tonebone A - B - Y pedal and it works great.  Also be careful some passive spliter/switchers are tone suckers.  Best of luck to you.

Mike

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Re: more amp blending.

Logo33 wrote:

Im sure this has been asked before, but i cant find it, so here it goes....

Im about to start trying some amp blending... i play through at fender hotrod deville 2x12 right now, and i want that to be my constant amp... like Joe's silver jubilee. I also want a vox 1x12, and a marshall 1x12. What pedal do i need to combine all 3, and then switch between the marshall and vox? I want to have a rig like joes... only on a much smaller scale.

And, can anyone maybe recommend a 4th amp to go in there... or do you see any problems with the idea i have?

Thanks,

Logan

This unit works really well.   http://www.tonebone.com/tb-switchbone.htm
Also, you should consider a ODS style amp to get that tone (instead of the Vox) An Omega modded HR Deville or HR Deluxe would work great and not very expensive at all(the mod will run you about $250) It would get you pretty close to the Two Rock and Van Weelden tones he uses.

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Re: more amp blending.

I have a Whirlwind AB selector and it's incredibly quiet and transparent.

Larry

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Re: more amp blending.

Here's the post you were talking about Logan... Joe shares some great stuff here! 

http://www.jbonamassa.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4110

Good luck!

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Re: more amp blending.

oh man, i am getting the omega mod next paycheck haha... sorry for the noob question but what is ODS... i know fuchs makes the ODS model... will the omega mod make it ODS style? And anyone know where to find the Leile ABC switcher? And any idea for a fourth amp?


Thanks,
Logan

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Re: more amp blending.

Logo33 wrote:

oh man, i am getting the omega mod next paycheck haha... sorry for the noob question but what is ODS... i know fuchs makes the ODS model... will the omega mod make it ODS style? And anyone know where to find the Leile ABC switcher? And any idea for a fourth amp?


Thanks,
Logan

ODS referrs to the Dumble Overdrive Special amp - also "copied" by Fuchs... its probably the most famous of Dumble models... the Lehle ABC switcher is called the Lehle 1@3 - if you google it theres a bunch of sites that come up - it runs around $220 USD...

Hope that helps
Scott

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Re: more amp blending.

Hi,

I use a Carl martin hot n drive boost to split the signal......as you have  a clean output on it...works a treat.....

One thing when blending amps.....only use two at a time......I like to use a slightly broken up marshally/vox tone with a full on boosted Marshall....when I go clean my Marshall is chimey...but I like the other amp slightly broken up(Marsh/Voxey)......with a touch of verb...similar to what Joe does..tho he uses delay...this way you get alot more body and detail to tone....

Cheers

Martin

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Re: more amp blending.

In Joe's post he talks about standard ground lifts... are they just rubber things that go on the bottom of the amp? I also read about ground lift switches... would that help?

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Re: more amp blending.

Logo33 wrote:

In Joe's post he talks about standard ground lifts... are they just rubber things that go on the bottom of the amp? I also read about ground lift switches... would that help?

Grounding is a pretty complex issue when you're running two amps in parallel - it is necessary to ground amps because of hte voltage that runs through them... if something goes wrong and the amp is grounded, the electricity will go through the amp to the ground - if it's not grounded, it would have gone straight through the person playing and/or touching the amp - completing a circuit and giving you one helluva shock... at least thats what i've been able to gather through my playing career...

hope that helped
Scott

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Re: more amp blending.

KWSJB, Question?  I have a 35 watt Bruno Cowtipper & a fender TRRI; never even considered stereo as no comparison between TRRI & Cowtipper; maybe one of these years I'll get another cowtipper.  Just ordered a Motion Sound 2-12 rotary speaker (has motor or something driving belt).  Both Cow & TRRI are 4 ohm and have aux speaker connection.  Had planned on running the rotary speaker thru both amp's aux plug if enough power to get that added effect.   

What sort of grounding issues will I have?  What do I need to buy to avoid problems?  Would a isolated power supply solve all this?

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Re: more amp blending.

Hey Zhurh - As far as I know you shouldn't have too much trouble with that... I don't really know too much about rotary speaker cabinets.  I guess the main thing is make sure the Ohms are correct (you can either match the ohms or if, for say the Fender is a 4 ohm (?) can't remember off the top of my head, but anyways if you put that through an external speaker, you need to make sure the external speaker is rated for 4 ohms or higher - DO NOT put the amp through a speaker that is rated for less ohms than the amp is - the amp will overheat etc. in other words, running a 4 ohm amp into a 2 ohm speaker = BAD)... But grounding - wise you should be fine... I think... as I said though, I don't have too much experience with rotary speakers.

Hope that helps a bit,
Scott

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Re: more amp blending.

KWSJB, hey thanks for response.  I can run the rotary (4 ohm) out of cowtipper or trri; but not outta ext jack.  Bruno cab has a pair G12H30's and I kinda like them.  Never play the trri and it only has a single 15 inch 4 ohm speaker, so I'll just run the motion sound outta the standard speaker jack.   I want to get to a 2 cowtipper system and then run the rotary/trri also on one of the sides.   Almost ordered a Lehle the otherday, but they have 6-7 models, which color, ya know, got to find out.   Seen them used but switches tend to get dirty contacts with time, maybe better to buy one new.  Thanks for info.