Topic: Dark Day For Baseball

I'm sure everbody who's seen the evening news has caught the release of the Mitchell report and all that it involves. The finger is pointed at every team in the MLB and the commisioner says he will act. Hopefully this can be dealt with in a swift manner that will maintain some kind of integrity for America's pastime. Bay Area media compare it to the Blacksox scandal.

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Truly not losing much sleep over it, as it doesn't appear to shed much light on anything.

At the time it was going on, a lot of people knew or should have known it was going on. It was illegal but not against the rules of MLB. At the very least MLB turned a blind eye and reaped the rewards of growth due to the excitement. "Chicks dig the long ball". That and 40 something year old pitchers winning Cy Young awards.....must've been vitamins and a good workout.

In the last couple of years everyone that has paid any attention has realized what was going on, and a precious few have paid a high price for something that a lot were doing.

Now the Mitchell report names "some" of the players involved, not "all" and in many cases the evidence is nothing more than what someone said. The Mitchell report was nothing more than a dog and pony show meant to feign concern and preserve the anti-trust exemption that MLB enjoys.

So why should anyone care about a report that is incomplete, anecdotal, and provides mostly information we already knew? We shouldn't.

The only measure is if they clean it up from this point forward. There is no way to go back and police history and no need to. Let it be and lets move on.

The only thing the Mitchell report accomplishes is to provide a few more juicy details (cancelled checks, neat stories), and it provides fodder for the sports nuts to argue about on sports forums. (Tip of the cap to Deezer)

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PC
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Here's the list.

    http://cbs5.com/national/Mitchell.repor … playerlist


The saddest thing I just heard on the CBS Evening News was that 672,000 high school athletes admitted to using anabolic steroids.

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Glaringly absent from the list, Sosa & McGuire. Perhaps they were spared some of the embarassment for all the butts they put back in stadium seats after the last strike during their record home run race. ************

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ohiodawg13 wrote:

Glaringly absent from the list, Sosa & McGuire. Perhaps they were spared some of the embarassment for all the butts they put back in stadium seats after the last strike during their record home run race. ************

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At this point the only person to mention McGuire's name was Canseco. Although Mitchell interviewed many people that knew him.

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Remember to tell your kids about Cal Ripken Jr...Ethical all the way!           Cathy

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BluesMan wrote:
cathysiler wrote:

Remember to tell your kids about Cal Ripken Jr...Ethical all the way!           Cathy

And Hank Aaron and Warren Spahn and Joe Adcock and Eddie Mathews and............

Roy

Nolan Ryan....

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All of it is just an exercise. Nothing will be done because baseball depends too much on records and hitting the long ball. And everyone knows just how that is done.

The only thing that will solve this is either stringent testing, enforcement and punishment or just admitting that it's done and everyone get over it.

Just my 1/50 of a dollar.

I'm just saying.

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BluesMan wrote:
pcornell wrote:
BluesMan wrote:

And Hank Aaron and Warren Spahn and Joe Adcock and Eddie Mathews and............

Roy

Nolan Ryan....

Willie Mays and  Reggie Jackson and Joe Dimaggio and Lou Gehrig and Johnny Bench and Carlton Fisk......

Roy

and Bob Uecker!

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Bill S wrote:
BluesMan wrote:
pcornell wrote:

Nolan Ryan....

Willie Mays and  Reggie Jackson and Joe Dimaggio and Lou Gehrig and Johnny Bench and Carlton Fisk......

Roy

and Bob Uecker!

And Robin Yount, Gorman Thomas, Paul Molitor, hardly any Brewers on the list except
Gary Sheffeld - and I won't elaborate on him....

Lose your dreams and you will lose your mind.  Mick Jagger

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As a big baseball fan.. The Mitchell Report honestly is not a shock..  The only one that got me was Clemens.  I think the heart of the problem is the amount of money at stake..  If guys were making 60 grand, 100 grand a year which is what I think they are worth...  Tickets go down and hence take your date or family and get out of there spending less than a C note for 4 people.  10 million, 20 million ect..That is too much to be payed for a kids game.  I know the players say well if they can get it then so be it.  Those cost are pasted down to the fans.  The owner isnt going to eat them. Your cable goes up, parking, a hot dog cost as much as a cowboy steak at Ruths Chris ect. There is a natural colusion and a look the other way mentality.  Balco is small potatos... The Soviets were jacking up their olyimpic atheletes for years.. Its sports dirty little secret.. Its been going on for years..   I still love baseball and will always for the strategy involved not the players.. Situations,  you know its like chess kinda.. The Mitchell report will tarnish a game already tarnished by greed and its unexplainable need to fleece its fans..  I think the players should be confortable and be payed based on their draw, value and skill.. Just like the concert biz.  But the last time I was at Yankee Stadium I payed 27.50 for the last row upper upper balcony.. $250 for third base line is a bit out of hand.. dont you think?
anyway.. my 2 cents..
Go Torre!!!  and welcome to LA!!!
Go Yanks too.. I guess.
Joe Bonamassa

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Nice to hear your spin on this Joe. The fans are as accountable for the state that baseball is in as everybody else involved. If we are truly fed up with the whole mess then we should stop showing up. The influx of revenue is the only way get the owners attention, but yet we keep flocking to stadiums and arenas to quench our need to be entertained. After all sporting events as well as the arts are just that entertainment, it's been a part of the human make-up for thousands of years and doesn't seem like its gonna change any time soon, ya think?

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What is success? Is it do yo' own thang, or is it to join the rest?   -Allen Toussaint

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The only way that players' salaries will be kept at reasonable levels is to impose salary caps. Saw A-Rod on 60 minutes last night. 300 million? Dude, please, no one's worth 300 million. No wonder the players juice. I suppose I would if I thought I could earn 300 million and everyone would look the other way.

I'm just saying.

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"Can we bring back Gladiators and Blood?"  he asks sarcasticly.  Jdawg is right.

We have dumbed down the masses.  I love sports, but wow...coached PAL & City league Basketball until I burnt out.  Would go into the projects to get my team. 

I love music & films.  I'm all for BIG MONEY.  I want a record deal, too.  AND a book deal!

I'm certain that we get exactly what the market will bear.  When the demand goes down so will the skyrocketing salaries.  What does Brad Pitt make upfront for a movie, now?

"I'm a soldier in the war on poverty..."  Billy (RIP) Preston

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Jaci wrote:
Bill S wrote:
BluesMan wrote:

Willie Mays and  Reggie Jackson and Joe Dimaggio and Lou Gehrig and Johnny Bench and Carlton Fisk......

Roy

and Bob Uecker!

And Robin Yount, Gorman Thomas, Paul Molitor, hardly any Brewers on the list except
Gary Sheffeld - and I won't elaborate on him....

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