19 (edited by Rocket 2016-08-03 22:58:54)

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BAH!!!  sawz'em for half the price cuz they're half the real talent when push comes to shove...did I mention boring to me?!  Whoopty doo!

Ron-what you said!  Right on. 

Hey, discount those fish and chips and pints and every thug else by the quarter pound and I'll stimulate the economy like I'm in love...   


Rock ON & Keep The Faith,
Rocket

ps-I hate reading threads like these when it just repeats reduncedintly polar caps

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with respect Rocket you are showing a lack of understanding of what is going on in the UK right now, and what is forecast. Today it is likely that the Bank of England will cut interest rates in an attempt to stimulate the economy (first time in 7 years). The UK housing market is in decline, a number of significant investors have already pulled out of the UK and it is very likely that more will follow. The value of £sterling has dropped significantly after the 23rd June vote outcome, - the lowest in 31 years, spending has dramatically reduced.

As an example this week I have seen warnings of price increases on new guitars of between 8 and 17%, - and other imported goods up to 20%. This week grocery shopping has increased.

Fact: the full in the £ has made it cheaper for Joe to come here, not more expensive. The cost of booking the RAH has just dramatically decreased for an American.

Ron, tickets are £154, there is no “good price”, I will not be seeing Joe live at the RAH and likely again. I assume that as you have not answered any of the points that I have raised you are of the “loaded" don’t care about others camp. I would have thought that any Joe fan should be concerned about something like this. AND importantly the reason that this subject has come up again is that it is a dramatic price increase for playing the UK, the complaints last time were about a £110 ticket cost for Hammersmith, - do ou really think that nothing would be said at £154?

Sad. But taking the opinion of some of you, - there is no point trying to address this against the smugness. I am out, - happy to have met some great friends over the last 7 years.

My YouTube channel with plenty of my Joe's videos dating from 2009 inc his first Hammersmith Odeon ones:
http://www.youtube.com/ian916fun

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You make many valid points Ian. Guess I am one of the lucky ones that can afford a Joe gig in London along with the travelling costs for me to get down there. The social aspect is also worth going for smile

Hopefully see you at another gig sometime.

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Ian916 wrote:

with respect Rocket you are showing a lack of understanding of what is going on in the UK right now, and what is forecast. Today it is likely that the Bank of England will cut interest rates in an attempt to stimulate the economy (first time in 7 years). The UK housing market is in decline, a number of significant investors have already pulled out of the UK and it is very likely that more will follow. The value of £sterling has dropped significantly after the 23rd June vote outcome, - the lowest in 31 years, spending has dramatically reduced.

As an example this week I have seen warnings of price increases on new guitars of between 8 and 17%, - and other imported goods up to 20%. This week grocery shopping has increased.

Fact: the full in the £ has made it cheaper for Joe to come here, not more expensive. The cost of booking the RAH has just dramatically decreased for an American.

Ron, tickets are £154, there is no “good price”, I will not be seeing Joe live at the RAH and likely again. I assume that as you have not answered any of the points that I have raised you are of the “loaded" don’t care about others camp. I would have thought that any Joe fan should be concerned about something like this. AND importantly the reason that this subject has come up again is that it is a dramatic price increase for playing the UK, the complaints last time were about a £110 ticket cost for Hammersmith, - do ou really think that nothing would be said at £154?

Sad. But taking the opinion of some of you, - there is no point trying to address this against the smugness. I am out, - happy to have met some great friends over the last 7 years.

Sorry I can not help your money situation in the UK I can remember not to long ago it cost us USA folk two American for 1 of your currency so we have felt that sword but kept moving on. I do understand your position and hope you find the tickets at a good price but man you keep going on and on....we get it now you need to do something about it. I am done with this thread all that can be said and more has been said. Cheers Ron

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Jane H. wrote:

Ian I hope you stay around here!

+1 !!

"I was in Space for less than 2 weeks … and suddenly Jeaniene’s back … half the Band is off the gd wagon … we have comedians opening for us … and the nice kid that ran our website is now a kleptof’nmaniac.  Boy ... did you guys miss me!!"  Phil Valentine - Road Manager - Staton House Band

JBLP#251 (unaged) ... thank you Ron.

24 (edited by Rocket 2016-08-04 10:50:23)

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RoadcaseBoy wrote:
Jane H. wrote:

Ian I hope you stay around here!

+1 !!

Me too! smile Honestly, I always enjoy your willingness to take on expressing "another" point of perspective.  Interested in your reasons for an obvious slide toward grumpiness last few months.  Even unknowing  of your situation on I would likely be very sympathetic and empathetic.  It's the topic that bugs me, and only because music isn't a just a passing fad or mere hobby for me.  Now, complaints about other things (details available upon request), well, I can recycle my complaints ad nauseam (to others).  But ticket prices to me are like a fruitless television channel scan- shut it off and find something more rewarding to fill passing moments.

Can I pay for your transportation, meal and ticket, Ian (long e or long I)?!  Glad to do so, with or without hanging out together.

Sports are viewed much more enjoyably and of course much cheap cheaper at home!

Now, time for me to change channels...back to Three Kings DVD release... wink Much cheaper too! big_smile


Rock ON & Keep The Faith,
Rocket

"He still doesn't charge for mistakes! wink"
http://jbonamassa.com/tour-dates/
"Everybody wants ta get inta the act!"
“Now, this isn’t your ordinary party crowd, here.  I mean, there are professionals in here.”

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[anyway though I couldn't help but notice that Peter1960 has only ever posted about ticket prices.......
i do wonder what the music is like for him?]

Jane - you are quite correct. I have only ever posted about ticket prices on the forum because Joe is the only artist that i currently like who I believe is fleecing his fans.

It goes without saying that every gig I do attend is great - the man is a fabulous guitar player. However, we all know this and I would rather post something that I feel strongly about, rather than a review of a show which would probably be described more eloquently by someone else

26 (edited by Ian916 2016-08-05 13:14:37)

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Thank you all for your very kind words, - Kenny I do hope that we meet again, it is always good to see you, I am sure that we will. Jane, Rocket, Roadcase, thank you, virtual friends (hopefully real ones one day), - Rocket your offer is very kind, and not uncommon amongst Joe’s fans who really are the best, - Phil “Wooders” has been previously very good to me just after my job was made redundant a few years ago, - and I was very fortunate to be Pete’s +1 at Greenwich having already accepted that I could not be there. But I may have failed to get this across properly, - my moaning is not just about me, in life we all make our own decisions about what indulgences we are prepared to spend out on, and this will always be subjective, - one persons indulgence is another’s necessity. The far larger issue is what these prices do for Joe’s name, - his brand. The comments on the Planet Rock Facebook page are extremely negative about Joe, and in places aggressive - they do not see it as a Management Team decision, - they see it directly as something nasty or greedy that he has done, - and that bothers me, and it should concern everybody here. To be dismissive about this would I think be unwise?

Joe’s image and importantly years of hard work is being damaged in the UK by poor decisions around ticket pricing in my opinion.

My YouTube channel with plenty of my Joe's videos dating from 2009 inc his first Hammersmith Odeon ones:
http://www.youtube.com/ian916fun

27 (edited by bobkatmsu 2016-08-05 13:56:31)

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Must admit, this is getting boring.  People have x amount of money to spend on entertainment.  Of course everyone would like to do everything, but most of us cannot afford to.  So you make decisions. What are your priorities?  Do you want to go see Joe, or would you rather go see 2-3 other bands.  It's your decision, but it's not Joe's responsibility to make sure you can have it all.  It's not a conspiracy to do something against you personally.  If Joe has a hard time selling out shows in the UK, then they have a decision to make.  Cut back on the expenses, maybe the PA does not need to be that good, I'm sure they can find a drummer for less than they have to pay Anton Fig, I'm sure Reese is pretty freaking expensive, or Joe can just forgo the UK until the economy gets better there. That would be my vote, I'd love to see him more the just once a year in my part of the country.
I choose seeing Joe.  I've seen Joe 8-9 times.  Every time I walk out of the venue I say, that was the best show I've ever seen in my life.  I'd be willing to bet I say that again when I see him in February.  So for me that's my priority.  Do people in the UK complain about the price of a Jaguar?  In the US, they don't.  Your either willing to pay the price, or your not, but nobody is offended because it cost so much.  They might be offended because the electrical system is garbage, but that's a whole other subject for a different forum.

The only thing we deserve, is an opportunity.  Everything else has to be earned.

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Ian916 wrote:

Thank you all for your very kind words, - Kenny I do hope that we meet again, it is always good to see you, I am sure that we will. Jane, Rocket, Roadcase, thank you, virtual friends (hopefully real ones one day), - Rocket your offer is very kind, and not uncommon amongst Joe’s fans who really are the best, - Phil “Wooders” has been previously very good to me just after my job was made redundant a few years ago, - and I was very fortunate to be Pete’s +1 at Greenwich having already accepted that I could not be there. But I may have failed to get this across properly, - my moaning is not just about me, in life we all make our own decisions about what indulgences we are prepared to spend out on, and this will always be subjective, - one persons indulgence is another’s necessity. The far larger issue is what these prices do for Joe’s name, - his brand. The comments on the Planet Rock Facebook page are extremely negative about Joe, and in places aggressive - they do not see it as a Management Team decision, - they see it directly as something nasty or greedy that he has done, - and that bothers me, and it should concern everybody here. To be dismissive about this would I think be unwise?

Joe’s image and importantly years of hard work is being damaged in the UK by poor decisions around ticket pricing in my opinion.

Ian,
I've been watching (and occasionally commenting) on the ticket price conversation for some time now.
Honestly, this is the first time I've fully understood your point.
Whether it's true or not (there seems to be some kernel of truth, simply judging by the ticket price discussions on this forum), the concern that Joe is tarnishing his image as a result of this is a legitimate topic for discussion here.

As far as prices, while I can afford the current ticket prices, I will say that I made a conscious decision to forego the spring tour...part because of cost and part because I've grown to despise the Chicago Theater and its constant stream of drunkards running to and from the bar.

BTW, stick around...it wouldn't be quite the same without you.

"Rock ON & Keep the Faith"

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Jane H. wrote:

well IMO there is not anyone here saying anything about anyone doing something to them personally.....its an easy enough topic to avoid by the title. I've been there a time or two, its quite upsetting to me when someone replies in a way that implies I said something other than I did - especially if Joe gets the wrong idea.

Some of this hits in the street teamer gut for me really.....to be clear - any street teaming i have ever done is out of my personal hope to share the joy and for Joe to be able to keep doing what he does cause its that satisfying to me - beyond what most other things in life are ( not all of them wink ) - not just for what i think is good for Joe or the way his management should go - although that is a big part of it. So it may still be considered selfish but when i see years of hoping to get to a succesful point like this and hear them being almost invalidated other places around the web - i get it. i get how it really seems (to me anyway) that maybe its against what and how Joe has worked to get here. If anyone else can wrap their head around that. I mean in no way would I presume to think I know what is in Joe's mind but I have tried to pay attention to his own words- this thread is just a small pleasant thing compared to what we - and almost more importantly the potential fan - hear out there. its not  simple, linear or directly related.... and that is the only reason I take the time to say things (or understand, and/or support) I think are important to bring to the forefront - even with the risk of being misunderstood.....
and FWIW the one time i met the R in J&R, Roy, he told me his motivations were similar to mine as a steet teamer - to spread the word and get the music out there to make more people happy. I mean yeah its his job too but if he was sincere in what he said to me, he ought to be glad for the type of feedback provided here.
so yeah no one is complaining of a conspiracy against them personally...or dissing Joe IMHO

It's just like clock work, every time Joe starts a new tour, someone, often a new member of the forum, comes on and starts complaining about how they are done with Joe because his tickets are to high. Then there is always the comment that they supported Joe when he was a nobody and somehow that translates to Joe is screwing his early fans.  I don't get it.  You should be proud,  you were the one that saw the talent in Joe before 95% of the rest of us. Congratulations, I'm envious of you. Be happy for Joe, he's out grown the green house.

The only thing we deserve, is an opportunity.  Everything else has to be earned.

30 (edited by RoadcaseBoy 2016-08-05 20:08:22)

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I usually don't jump in the Ticket Price Thread pools (other than my +1 above) ... I am happy for Joe to reap any reward he can for all his efforts ... want his name / brand to continue to grow and be respected ... and Tour economics ... with smaller venues ... and not having "CitiCard Presents" on the top of the ticket stub .. I can't imagine all that goes into it ... and I appreciate the great effort Joe puts in to change up his Tours ... so I will do what I can to get a seat every time he's close ... but reading some of the above pushed me into the water ...

... while I welcome, appreciate and enjoy new members joining us here ... I have respect for the point of view of a Forum Family member who has been around and contributed to this great community of Joe'ness (and other related / interesting) topics ... as Ian has.

Even if a Topic has been "debated" in the past, I appreciate Members (particularly long time contributors) who express their thoughts in a sincere and respectful way (even those thoughts that may rub some fur in the wrong direction) ... as well as the replies that may be counter to it ... it would be a shame to lose a member like Ian because of it. 

We here contribute because we respect and admire Joe for what he has created and accomplished with years of hard work and 6 strings, so much that we come here to share and perpetuate it ... (reading any negative Joe things on the Net bothers me as well.)

Joe's a great artist, who has attracted really great fans ... some who have kept this great Forum going.  I am so grateful for the joy ALL of this has brought me!  Thank you Joe and BonaForum Family!

Thanks for reading ... I see my fingers and toes are getting wrinkley now.

"I was in Space for less than 2 weeks … and suddenly Jeaniene’s back … half the Band is off the gd wagon … we have comedians opening for us … and the nice kid that ran our website is now a kleptof’nmaniac.  Boy ... did you guys miss me!!"  Phil Valentine - Road Manager - Staton House Band

JBLP#251 (unaged) ... thank you Ron.

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RoadcaseBoy wrote:

I usually don't jump in the Ticket Price Thread pools (other than my +1 above) ... I am happy for Joe to reap any reward he can for all his efforts ... want his name / brand to continue to grow and be respected ... and Tour economics ... with smaller venues ... and not having "CitiCard Presents" on the top of the ticket stub .. I can't imagine all that goes into it ... and I appreciate the great effort Joe puts in to change up his Tours ... so I will do what I can to get a seat every time he's close ... but reading some of the above pushed me into the water ...

... while I welcome, appreciate and enjoy new members joining us here ... I have respect for the point of view of a Forum Family member who has been around and contributed to this great community of Joe'ness (and other related / interesting) topics ... as Ian has.

Even if a Topic has been "debated" in the past, I appreciate Members (particularly long time contributors) who express their thoughts in a sincere and respectful way (even those thoughts that may rub some fur in the wrong direction) ... as well as the replies that may be counter to it ... it would be a shame to lose a member like Ian because of it. 

We here contribute because we respect and admire Joe for what he has created and accomplished with years of hard work and 6 strings, so much that we come here to share and perpetuate it ... (reading any negative Joe things on the Net bothers me as well.)

Joe's a great artist, who has attracted really great fans ... some who have kept this great Forum going.  I am so grateful for the joy ALL of this has brought me!  Thank you Joe and BonaForum Family!

Thanks for reading ... I see my fingers and toes are getting wrinkley now.

+1
Times are hard all over and discretionary income is dwindling. Sorry for those that can't afford to go. My own d.i. has been diverted to more important things for the next year or so and JoeB live will be on the back burner, but I don't complain, I just enjoy what I can. I buy his new releases and continue to promote him every chance I get.
My two cents worth.

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Don't really mean to stir anything up, but "fleecing" is just a remarkably offensive thing to say. No one is putting a gun to anyone's head. Why should someone charge less for their services than people are willing to pay for those services? I have been fortunate enough to attend seven JB shows (and looking forward to Nos. 8 & 9 on the next spring tour), and the value of what I have received has far exceeded the value of what I paid. If folks like Peter1960 don't think they're getting fair value for their money, don't buy the ticket. But to come to a forum like this for the express purpose of suggesting that the artist is "fleecing" his fans? Sorry, but that's a bridge too far for me...

Terrance Shuman
Kansas City, MO

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This topic is so old...Supply and demand...simple...deal with it.

Murfdog

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Coach305 wrote:

Don't really mean to stir anything up, but "fleecing" is just a remarkably offensive thing to say. No one is putting a gun to anyone's head. Why should someone charge less for their services than people are willing to pay for those services? I have been fortunate enough to attend seven JB shows (and looking forward to Nos. 8 & 9 on the next spring tour), and the value of what I have received has far exceeded the value of what I paid. If folks like Peter1960 don't think they're getting fair value for their money, don't buy the ticket. But to come to a forum like this for the express purpose of suggesting that the artist is "fleecing" his fans? Sorry, but that's a bridge too far for me...

Agreed......if you can'y afford don't go. Somebody delete this thread. This comes up every time tickets go on sale. Enough

"Joe B saved my soul, forever grateful Ron"
"Some people dream of worthy accomplishments while others stay awake and do them"
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35 (edited by DougH 2016-08-06 17:14:07)

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Just to add fire to the fuel.. here..
this past spring (actually started Oct2015 when the pre-sale happened) I decided to take a 'road trip' to see Joe.

I paid $273.95 USD for a pair of Tickets for Binghamton (that's $136.98 USD each ticket) add the 33% exchange rate and the pair now cost me $364.35 Canadian.
Since the trip was a 6 hour drive plus border crossing for me. that meant Hotel was needed at least 2 nights at $125 +tax USD, now that's $360 CDN for the hotel
plus the gas for the van call it 3 tanks of gas.. that's another $180 in gas.
add to that food for 2 days.. call that $75usd per person that's 150+33% now that's $200 in food for 2 people.

so that road trip for $136 usd ticket just cost me $1,104 Canadian.. I guess a 154 l ticket doesn't sound to bad after all.

but I did get the wife to see Joe for the first time (my 6th) and I met Natasha and Phil the world Joe travellers.

so it was costly but excellent time

---------------

(If only I had 1% of Joe's guitar talent)

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DougH wrote:

Just to add fire to the fuel.. here..
this past spring (actually started Oct2015 when the pre-sale happened) I decided to take a 'road trip' to see Joe.

I paid $273.95 USD for a pair of Tickets for Binghamton (that's $136.98 USD each ticket) add the 33% exchange rate and the pair now cost me $364.35 Canadian.
Since the trip was a 6 hour drive plus border crossing for me. that meant Hotel was needed at least 2 nights at $125 +tax USD, now that's $360 CDN for the hotel
plus the gas for the van call it 3 tanks of gas.. that's another $180 in gas.
add to that food for 2 days.. call that $75usd per person that's 150+33% now that's $200 in food for 2 people.

so that road trip for $136 usd ticket just cost me $1,104 Canadian.. I guess a 154 l ticket doesn't sound to bad after all.

but I did get the wife to see Joe for the first time (my 6th) and I met Natasha and Phil the world Joe travellers.

so it was costly but excellent time

Doug, your last line speaks volumes. 

Re: Undeniably Doug's Determined, Disciplined, Decisive, & Doubly Delighted! cool


Rock ON & Keep The Happy Endings Faith,
Rocket

"He still doesn't charge for mistakes! wink"
http://jbonamassa.com/tour-dates/
"Everybody wants ta get inta the act!"
“Now, this isn’t your ordinary party crowd, here.  I mean, there are professionals in here.”