Copyright flags on your own Joe concert videos

There are two different copyright claims that occur. If you get a statement in your video manager after you have uploaded a video and there is a blue statement that reads "includes copyrighted content" and there is a little blue copyright symbol there is no need to worry. In fact I have been told by a couple of musicians that if you post videos of their copyrighted content that they have allowed to be used by the public then they actually receive monetary compensation from youtube for it because of adds that youtube places on the videos. Now, if you film something and when it is uploading it is flagged by youtube and a big warning comes up and says there is a "copyright complaint/infringement notification" filed and gives you info on where supposedly in your video this occurs. This means it is not allowed. Then you can either fight it if you think they are wrong. Or you can just delete your video and not try and upload. If you get 3 "copyright complaint/infringement notifications
" against you, you can lose your channel. Quite a few of my videos have the statement "includes copyrighted content" on them. Of Joe's songs "Mountain Climbing", "Blues of Desperation", "No Good Place For the Lonely", "This Train", "John Henry", "Love Ain't A Love Song"... all have it and so according to what I have been told by musicians who have had legal dealings, these actually generate money for Joe that he will receive from youtube. It's interesting to me that Joe and other musicians are making money off my videos. Granted it's probably a small bit, but it is something.

- lookout for Earache Records artists, - recently one of their (contracted not employed) staff went over YouTube and filed claims against many of us fans who had uploaded films from The Temperance Movement gigs, - I had a “strike” against my account, - 3 of those and you are out. As my channel has nearly 3 million viewings I was not happy, - wrote to Earache as did many other Temperance Movement fans and eventually we got them lifted, - I took down all of my TTM films, didi not buy their new album... They handled it very badly in my opinion, - some people did get their YouTube accounts shut down.

I understand copyright, - I have worked for two of the oldest publishers in the World, - but we live in a  different age, - fans taking films at gigs is not the problem in the music industry, - it is the industry itself.  I rarely film entire songs these days, and I am selective about what songs I do film, - don’t agree with filming the entire show, - I do not believe that an artist wants to engage with somebody holding a camera or a phone all night, - to do so is disrespectful to the artists IMO. It is a privilege to be able to film at all, - if people take the pi** that privilege will be taken away, - try and film at an Eric Johnson show!!!

- but you are not allowed to film at a show without written permission, - the artists is playing material that is controlled by copyright so when we film it and then broadcast it we are acting outside of the terms of that copyright. The problem for venues is that everybody in that area has in their pocket a device capable of filming in high definition, - they cannot “police” it. Copyright also covers performance not just playback. If Joe plays.... (for example) a cover of a song written by Freddie King and we film him performing that song, Joe or his management are not in a position to give us permission to film or distribute what we film, - we would have to go get permission from the estate of Freddie King.....

It is a complex issue, in the USA you have something called "fair use” which does give a grey area on live performances, if you are not making money rom distribution it is hard to argue that you have broken a law. There is also something called ‘creative commons” which does allow distribution. YouTube/Google without doubt break laws millions of times a day, by right they should not exist, but they work on the theory that "millions of people do it, what are you gong to do about it”?

- Artists/Management like Joe realise that fan filing is great promotion, - Eric Johnson clearly doesn’t which in part is why he is not very well known....

Kind of interesting. I just noticed that INgrooves added a "suggested" tag on my videos from Red Rocks and Radio City Music Hall. Not sure exactly who INgrooves is, but they must be connected to Joe's company in some way. The tag suggests that people watch the official "Mountain Climbing" video from Joe's channel. Tag only appears on the songs that were included in the official live released DVDs. Well, hopefully the tags drive people to watch Joe's channel which I would imagine is monetized, so therefore it would bring in a small bit of extra money to his company.

At the end of the day from my simply way of looking at things if you take a vid or a pic for your own personel enjoyment thats one thing but the minute you post it to the masses I think it belongs to the artist. These folks work way to hard regardless of their stature and over the years with the state of technology it is becoming harder and harder for them to make a living. So anything of significance I feel belongs to the artist and he or she can do whatever they want with it even if they did not take the vid. It is theirs not yours or mine
Cheers Ron

unfortunately what the above two posts fail to mention is the responsibility of the massively rich organisation that exists to share user generated content, they blame the person making the film that could also be described as an artist who owns the right to what he or she has created, and then being of a sharing personality wants others to witness what they did..... food for thought?

as a photographer who has worked for publishers it is a shame that very few value our work.... it is the likes of Google and Facebook that have contributed massively to the demise of perceived value to work from artists in many fields.

I totally understand where you are coming from with this and that's why I don't monetize my youtube account. I know people probably think I do and I know people who have channels with less views than mine and they monetize theirs and can make up to $1000 a month off of it. But morally I wouldn't feel right doing it. Even though the video is my creation, it just feels wrong to be making money off of a musicians performance. It's their music and their performance and I'm just capturing that moment in time. Plus whenever money enters into the equation, it changes your feelings about it and also how others view you. They think you have some ulterior motive. I film for a variety of reasons.  I've always been a creative person and it's become a very satisfying way for me to exercise my creative talents. I enjoy reliving the shows that we've been to and other fans enjoy watching them. Plus there have been many musicians who have been incredibly appreciative of my work. So many artists we see are struggling to make it in the business. In this day and age musicians don't have big record companies signing them and funding them. They rely on touring and they have to do it all on their own and many don't have the money to put into a huge marketing campaign. They rely on word of mouth. The videos get their music out to the masses. People watch, and if they like what they see, they buy tickets, come to a show and purchase merchandise. One of the most satisfying things for me is to see a comment on one of my videos stating, "After watching I am now a fan"

pretty sure that the law allows you to take pictures of people without permission if they are in a public place, well it does in Europe, and you can sell those pictures, - there is a massive industry around doing this, and trash newspapers sell millions of copies based on it, they sure do not print NEWS these days!

Natasha don’t believe the hype about making money from YouTube, - I have one film that has over 2 1/2 million viewings on it, I monetised it and 3 or 4 years ago it would earn me abut £60 a month, then YouTube changed their small print terms, - I have not earned a penny in 3 years, and it still gets plenty of viewings. It is of a 9 string bass being played on a Peavey stand at a music expo, - I do not monetise films I take of artists. - Although FYI people if you do monetise a film it gets promoted by YouTube because they make money out of your work!