Re: Surfing the Net about Sloe Gin
well said stratcat
Your hard sweet and sticky
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well said stratcat
Here's an idea. In 2001 Buddy Guy recorded the album of his life entitled Sweet Tea inspired by the late Mississippi blues artist Junior Kimbrough. It's like nothing he'd ever done before. The songs are slow, incredibly heavy and full of guitar pyrotechnics. I wish Joe recorded an album in a similar vein. I realise the chances of this happening in the foreseeable future are rather slim since Joe is now taking a stylistic detour and his comments don't bode well for those holding out for another Blues Deluxe, but maybe one of these days, who knows.
As for strings on a heavy blues-rock album. A big no no, but it's just me.
Hear! Hear!
well said stratcat
It's not just your civilization that's ancient Greek. No-no's are for children and pets and addicts. Rock On
Here's an idea. In 2001 Buddy Guy recorded the album of his life entitled Sweet Tea inspired by the late Mississippi blues artist Junior Kimbrough. It's like nothing he'd ever done before. The songs are slow, incredibly heavy and full of guitar pyrotechnics. I wish Joe recorded an album in a similar vein. I realise the chances of this happening in the foreseeable future are rather slim since Joe is now taking a stylistic detour and his comments don't bode well for those holding out for another Blues Deluxe, but maybe one of these days, who knows.
As for strings on a heavy blues-rock album. A big no no, but it's just me.
I criticize that criticism! Those critics are not wiser, bud! IF you don't think Joe Bonamassa's MoJoe and Karma have put some funky gyroscopic precession on the "normal" spin of the Blues World, first of all you aren't paying attention, and secondly if you are, you are crying for skilled nursing for Blues to remain well cared for, but nonetheless feeble and grumpy and maybe just a little boring and insignificant! I have been waiting a couple of years to bring this back ...Take a look at the Budweiser "True Music" logo....Now look at Joe Bonamassa's autograph signature...now back at that logo...See that crown? See the heir when he comes to your town!!!
Rock On & Keep the Faith (go ahead and change style at will ),
Rocket
Yet, the critics say Mayer is the Heir Apparent of the Blues.
Hear! Hear!
Rock ON & Keep the Faith,
Rocket
Wow, an artist that truly wants his fans opinions! Has that EVER happened before? If it has, I've never ran across it.
It's as simple as this: To this point, you've done what you and your management team has thought was best, and look how far you've gone. I see no reason to alter that now. Critics are critics, and sometimes they completely miss the mark. Strings? Why not?
The critics love John Mayer. I have nothing against him, but he has done nothing to elevate my personal music conciousness. Is he a good player? Yes. But his playing lacks the passion that I hear in your playing. Yet, the critics say Mayer is the Heir Apparent of the Blues. I challenge that. Some day the critics will know they are wrong.
Joe, YOU are the future of blues. And your time is NOW. Keep on doing what you do best, and you'll always be successful.
See you in St. Louis at the Pageant on November 10th.
It's not just your civilization that's ancient Greek. No-no's are for children and pets and addicts.
Exactly the reply I'd expect from a platinum rocket.
Ancient one..You are most certainly entitled to that opinion. I was very jealous when I read a review that said Joe played Blues Deluxe recently..That would be nice..Luckily there are others making those down and dirty albums such as Dwayne Burnside and you'd love the new Chris Duarte...I don't think we've heard the last of Joe's "heavy" stuff. It's all good and you can say no-no's to me. I think it's cute...Ancient Cathy
Are you allergic to Kashmir??? Did Page & Plant give the blues lead poisoning? We just disagree, not atacking your whole thought process, just strings being considered a no-no. It used to be strings and Rock weren't supposed to mix-PERIOD! Lots of examples of that premise falling away...I say that's no-no more is all.
Rocket wrote:It's not just your civilization that's ancient Greek. No-no's are for children and pets and addicts.
Exactly the reply I'd expect from a platinum rocket.
Ancient one..You are most certainly entitled to that opinion. I was very jealous when I read a review that said Joe played Blues Deluxe recently..That would be nice..Luckily there are others making those down and dirty albums such as Dwayne Burnside and you'd love the new Chris Duarte...I don't think we've heard the last of Joe's "heavy" stuff. It's all good and you can say no-no's to me. I think it's cute...Ancient Cathy
Thanks, Cathy. So Many Roads was my personal highlight from Seattle. What a monumental riff.
Of course we're all entilted to our opinions, top posting rocket included. Sharing them is what music forums are designed for, among other things.
Thank you for your suggestions, I'll try and check them out. I'm only familiar with R.L. Burnside and Junior Kimbrough.
Cheers
You should enjoy Dwayne Burnside Greek. I really like your description of So Many Roads'riff as "monumental". I wonder if you can hear that with some orchestral strings playing slow chording changes?! Just kidding! Believe me I love down & dirty whether cards, music, etc. as much and often more than anyone. I just happen to have a uh, soft side too. It's how I rationalized putting on some weight-empathizing with pregnancy and getting in touch with my feminine side!!! Incidentally, when it was first released, I had a hard time convincing some people Sweet Tea was worthy of a Grammy nomination at the very beginning, until they put their wine glasses down and took their reading glasses off and put their hearing aids in...SO, like the Delbert McLinton album that beat out Buddy, my jabs are always Nothing Personal, just personal opinion in contrast to someone's else's contrasting! ...One thing time has taught is we need not worry about pleasing the gods to receive good fortune & good times...Sweet Tea and Sloe Gin no matter how we diagnosed-Two different "dramatic" departures in separate veins but still routing back to the blues heart where it gets some fresh oxygen & "pumps up" the red-blooded music fan. I wonder how they taste mixed together???!!!
Rock On Top of the Acropolis & Keep the Faith,
Rocket
cathysiler wrote:Ancient one..You are most certainly entitled to that opinion. I was very jealous when I read a review that said Joe played Blues Deluxe recently..That would be nice..Luckily there are others making those down and dirty albums such as Dwayne Burnside and you'd love the new Chris Duarte...I don't think we've heard the last of Joe's "heavy" stuff. It's all good and you can say no-no's to me. I think it's cute...Ancient Cathy
Thanks, Cathy. So Many Roads was my personal highlight from Seattle. What a monumental riff.
Of course we're all entilted to our opinions, top posting rocket included. Sharing them is what music forums are designed for, among other things.
Thank you for your suggestions, I'll try and check them out. I'm only familiar with R.L. Burnside and Junior Kimbrough.
Cheers
Hey Everybody,
I was just surfing the net about Sloe Gin and was noticing that some people love it and some people think Ive gone soft......I m honestly confused about what people expect out of me...
Hi Joe,
I know people who do like SLOW GIN because it's different (!) to your previous recordings... be honest to yourself, don't do what people expect of you... you can't satisfy each and everyone on this planet... for some people you're too soft as you named it... for the others you're not pure bluesish enuff...
I am on my way in a Clapton board and people get in heavy arguments and fightings... each and every record is discussed to death... kinda: "he's boring and not moving on on one hand side and on the other the blues-cops blame him he has lost his blues... guess you're in good company...
SLOW GIN rocks as YOU AND ME did... and all your other records, too,
Greetings from Germany
PIT... :-)
I am on my way in a Clapton board and people get in heavy arguments and fightings... each and every record is discussed to death... kinda: "he's boring and not moving on on one hand side and on the other the blues-cops blame him he has lost his blues... guess you're in good company...
Clapton is a wonderful example of how an artist should be allowed to progress in their own manner. His albums vary so much in style, but hardly ever diminish in quality. From the Cradle was an extravaganza for the blues. THE British master doing blues as it should be done. However it does not encapsulate Clapton's style at all, Pilgrim and Reptile both proved that Clapton wasn't reducing his musical vocabulary by any means. Did Clapton produce these three albums to appeal to a larger audience? I seriously believe he produced them because he wanted to, which is what Joe should do. A "world blues" album certainly sounds unusual, and I would not have any complaints about hearing another Blues Deluxe, but if Joe wants to explore the world of blues then that is the album he should create.
I went to see Clapton last year, he's touring with Derek Trucks and Doyle Bramhall II in his band, which has added so much texture to his music. He also played a fantastic set list of numbers from Derek and the Dominoes' Layla: a masterpiece almost on a level with the Beano album in my opinion. Both myself and my Dad were blown away by the gig, himself being a huge fan of early Clapton, but as we left we caught one guy going on about how crap he thought the gig was. His complaint essentially: that it wasn't Unplugged.
The point of this being that as an artists fanbase grows stylistically, they will never be able to constantly satisfy all aspects of that fanbase at once. Walter Trout is hugely respected and admired, but in small circles because he doesn't branch out much. He's another absolute master of the blues and one of my favourite guitarists and live acts around. However he plays in quite a constrained area of the genre. I'm not saying he 'should' expand his playing styles, he chooses freely what to play, but by playing 'his' blues he's not going to estrange his existing fanbase.
Sloe Gin is a fantastic album, and most who disagrees fail to see that Joe is more than a blues player, he's a musician and therefore unconstrained by 12 bars and three chords. It's not my favourite album of Joe's; I love Blues Deluxe too much and You and Me is incredible; Sloe Gin suffers in it's pace. Putting Around the Bend between Another Kind of Love and Black Night was a mistake, as Sloe Gin builds up the tempo, Another Kind of Love hits with it's full on Free-esque style, and Black Night would have been a nice way to wind down again. Instead the listener is presented with the jingling, melodic... drag until the next epic. Not to dismiss Around the Bend as a bad number, it just loses out in the flow of the album. Joe knows this, as apparent here:
Tom: The one-sheet that came with the review copy of Sloe Gin quotes you as saying you wanted to do an A/B-side thing with the album. That still the case?
Joe: To me, it's like Side A/Side B, with "Sloe Gin" being the end of Side A and the rest of it being Side B. "Sloe Gin takes you to a certain point, then on Side B we have different things like "Black Night" and "India". I think with this album, out of any of them, the listener will not be bored and won't be, 'Oh, it's just the same thing over and over again. He had two good songs and he filled in the rest.' That's not the way I like to do things. Hopefully, it's enjoyable from track one to track eleven.
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I think I read in the CD sleeve that Joe wanted to reinvent the idea that an album be something you put in at listen to from track 1 to the end as one full presentation of music. While Sloe Gin is a collection of fantastic numbers, I think it misses this target by combining too many styles, so that it never clicks with a listener in just one mood.
Returning to Clapton, he is an artist who's albums have a certain consistency throughout. Each album is stylistically different, but can be listened to at once due to each number belonging to the same area of music. I believe I have a broad taste in music, but that does not mean I always wish to appease all facets of my musical taste at once, Clapton's albums are capable of suiting me dependent on what I feel like listening to at the time. You and Me and Blues Deluxe both do that for me. If I want blues I have the latter, if I want rock I have You and Me. Sloe Gin just doesn't quite cut it like that for myself.
Anyway, I hope any criticism is taken as being in the best of interest. I am a huge fan of Joe's and will show interest anywhere he wants to take his music. He's a true artist who should follow his own interests rather than worrying about the critics or even the fans.
Clapton has seen ups and downs in his career....I think Joe's career has been a steady incline UP.
Clapton has seen ups and downs in his career....I think Joe's career has been a steady incline UP.
that's true... and I hope that Joe doesn't do mistake like Clapton did, which he knows today, had been mistakes... but those guys of the 1st rock-generation didn't know better... they were on unknown ground... and just took life as it came up to them... IMHO at least...
I am sure Joe is smart enough to go his way and not getting misleading sidetracked by the other gender and dangerous substances...
I am very impressed how Joe went his way up to now...
Greetings
PIT... :-)
I don't necessarily know if Clapton actually made mistakes per se.
Look at his audience in the 60's/70's....those people starting working 9-5's...listening to the radio...Clapton got a little more corporate...and made music according to his lifestyle, and it fit the evolving tastes of his fans. Its being a product of your environment.
The analogy here is Joe is playing less biker-rally bars and more theatres - coming out with new and (arguably) different music on the records. (PS: I ride Harleys, and loved smaller bar gigs) Evolving is somewhat out of your control, but I guess you can hope what control you do have leads you in the right direction.
I doubt Clapton has many regrets...dang - now I gotta read the book!
I don't necessarily know if Clapton actually made mistakes per se.
Look at his audience in the 60's/70's....those people starting working 9-5's...listening to the radio...Clapton got a little more corporate...and made music according to his lifestyle, and it fit the evolving tastes of his fans. Its being a product of your environment.
The analogy here is Joe is playing less biker-rally bars and more theatres - coming out with new and (arguably) different music on the records. (PS: I ride Harleys, and loved smaller bar gigs) Evolving is somewhat out of your control, but I guess you can hope what control you do have leads you in the right direction.
I doubt Clapton has many regrets...dang - now I gotta read the book!
Well I am not shure whether he digs all the drugs and alcohol stuff he did in the 70, if he looks back... hence his performances of this period... that's what I meant with mistakes...
I am curious on the book... I don't have it yet...
Joe ... You are a true musician!!!!! It goes to show how shallow people are to think that just because you take a different ave. you've gone soft! Pfffft! I'd like to see half those people acomplish what you have! All of my friends have bought copies of Sloe Gin and they all love it! We will see you in Kansas City on Nov. 9! Sloe Gin is a masterpeice! It takes more of an artist and great musician to hold back the shredding and compose melodies that move the soul! Thank you for sloe gin! Joe, you do what you do ,and even it was polka it would be killer!
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