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Interesting quote from Audience magazine article featured in Joe's recent email "Building Bonamassa" :
"O'Brien works with J&R Adventures to promote UK shows and aside from the 4 concerts at Londons Eventim Appollo, on sale for March 2015, he is due to announce a further 6 UK dates outside London at cut down arenas with configurations of
3500 - 4500 seats"
That'll be interesting. It's really annoying the lack of dates around the UK where artist seem to think they're fulfilling their fans needs by only playing London although England isn't as big as the US it's harder to get around with our traffic systems then there's the choice of travelling back after the show or getting an expensive hotel to stay in (Hotels in London are not cheap). we have plenty of other large venues around the UK without having to resort to London
My guess is that the dates will be around Sept/Oct.
Official announcement probably held back so not to impact on sales for the Apollo gigs.
Was this the original plan, or have Joe's team been listening? Hope ticket prices will be more acceptable to some posters.
I would agree Sept / Oct. There will probably be flyers at the London shows. Could be :
Glasgow / Newcastle / Manchester / Nottingham / Birmingham / Brighton.
My guess is that the dates will be around Sept/Oct.
Official announcement probably held back so not to impact on sales for the Apollo gigs.
Was this the original plan, or have Joe's team been listening? Hope ticket prices will be more acceptable to some posters.
I doubt they listen. The tour is in pretty much cement 2 years out. It takes that much advance planning to secure the venues and logistics.
davesam wrote:My guess is that the dates will be around Sept/Oct.
Official announcement probably held back so not to impact on sales for the Apollo gigs.
Was this the original plan, or have Joe's team been listening? Hope ticket prices will be more acceptable to some posters.I doubt they listen. The tour is in pretty much cement 2 years out. It takes that much advance planning to secure the venues and logistics.
If there are indeed going to be some regional concerts (and I hope for the sake of the British fans that this is the case) and Joe's team DID know in advance that this was going to happen, why didn't they say something sooner?? Surely letting all this bitterness, argument and alientation fester for months when they could have nipped it in the bud early doesn't make any sense. Why would you treat your fans that way and risk them possibly talking negatively to others about Joe and what has happened? Unless they were worried that if they informed people of the regional gigs too early, it would affect sales of the Apollo tickets. In which case this could be be seen as nothing more than a cynical ploy to get people to pay top dollar to go to London instead of waiting for something (hopefully) more reasonably priced locally. And that would not reflect well on them either.
It is in fact hard to see a scenario in all this that reflects well on on Joe's team at all EXCEPT for the one where they listened to the fans and then did the decent thing in response, but you seem to think that this is unlikely...
Personally I agree with Rick B's assessment, in as much as the schedule is determined well in advance.
Generally the dates are released around 6 months in advance, to announce well in advance the forthcoming regional dates at the back end of the year may well compromise sales of the London gigs. No matter whether you have been a fan of Joe from the outset, as I have, the fact is that J&R adventures is a business that likes to grow its market. It may well be that the 4 nights at the Apollo are cost effective because of the larger ensemble (horns etc,) whereas to take this touring on one nighters it would not.
It's 18 months since I last had an opportunity to see Joe live, 2 years if my prediction is correct. There is an awful lot of music to enjoy in the interim, but there's only one Joe. Absence makes the heart grow fonder!
From past experience, I'll add that even if tour dates are scheduled. They cannot be announced until all the contracts are signed with the venues and organizations associated with those events. This is a legal matter in contract law. There have been shows here in the US in the past I've heard about being a sure thing, but they were not "officially" announced until much later. Sometimes a promoter's hands are tied in spite of wishes to the contrary and it may be due to the venues as well and their marketing plans. I'd give J&R the benefit of the doubt. I truly hope you folks in the UK get lots of shows all over.
Rick
I would agree Sept / Oct. There will probably be flyers at the London shows. Could be :
Glasgow / Newcastle / Manchester / Nottingham / Birmingham / Brighton.
Usual venues but why does the south west always miss out we have large venues that bands use, i.e. Plymouth pavilions and Westpoint Nr Exeter these always seen to be lacking yet are good venues. C'mon Joe how about it?
RickB wrote:davesam wrote:My guess is that the dates will be around Sept/Oct.
Official announcement probably held back so not to impact on sales for the Apollo gigs.
Was this the original plan, or have Joe's team been listening? Hope ticket prices will be more acceptable to some posters.I doubt they listen. The tour is in pretty much cement 2 years out. It takes that much advance planning to secure the venues and logistics.
If there are indeed going to be some regional concerts (and I hope for the sake of the British fans that this is the case) and Joe's team DID know in advance that this was going to happen, why didn't they say something sooner?? Surely letting all this bitterness, argument and alientation fester for months when they could have nipped it in the bud early doesn't make any sense. Why would you treat your fans that way and risk them possibly talking negatively to others about Joe and what has happened? Unless they were worried that if they informed people of the regional gigs too early, it would affect sales of the Apollo tickets. In which case this could be be seen as nothing more than a cynical ploy to get people to pay top dollar to go to London instead of waiting for something (hopefully) more reasonably priced locally. And that would not reflect well on them either.
It is in fact hard to see a scenario in all this that reflects well on on Joe's team at all EXCEPT for the one where they listened to the fans and then did the decent thing in response, but you seem to think that this is unlikely...
Every artist releases dates in a way to not affect sales of earlier announced dates. Just anecdotal evidence but case in point. Fleetwood Mac released fall tour dates and Dallas 180 miles south of Oklahoma City was as close as they were coming to me. I bought tickets. The Spring tour was announced later and Oklahoma City was on the schedule. Do I get mad at anybody? Do I think they are playing me the fool? No I sell my Dallas tickets on Stub Hub and make $200 each and buy better seats in OKC. Yea me. It's the concert business not the concert charity. Of course the dates and routing were planned and are planned months in advance and of course the information is withheld. I'm sorry but the whining here is becoming fingernails on the chalkboard. Can we please quietly protest the grave injustices in the Bonamassa world.
Every artist releases dates in a way to not affect sales of earlier announced dates. Just anecdotal evidence but case in point. Fleetwood Mac released fall tour dates and Dallas 180 miles south of Oklahoma City was as close as they were coming to me. I bought tickets. The Spring tour was announced later and Oklahoma City was on the schedule. Do I get mad at anybody? Do I think they are playing me the fool? No I sell my Dallas tickets on Stub Hub and make $200 each and buy better seats in OKC. Yea me. It's the concert business not the concert charity. Of course the dates and routing were planned and are planned months in advance and of course the information is withheld. I'm sorry but the whining here is becoming fingernails on the chalkboard. Can we please quietly protest the grave injustices in the Bonamassa world.
+1
Bluemac wrote:RickB wrote:I doubt they listen. The tour is in pretty much cement 2 years out. It takes that much advance planning to secure the venues and logistics.
If there are indeed going to be some regional concerts (and I hope for the sake of the British fans that this is the case) and Joe's team DID know in advance that this was going to happen, why didn't they say something sooner?? Surely letting all this bitterness, argument and alientation fester for months when they could have nipped it in the bud early doesn't make any sense. Why would you treat your fans that way and risk them possibly talking negatively to others about Joe and what has happened? Unless they were worried that if they informed people of the regional gigs too early, it would affect sales of the Apollo tickets. In which case this could be be seen as nothing more than a cynical ploy to get people to pay top dollar to go to London instead of waiting for something (hopefully) more reasonably priced locally. And that would not reflect well on them either.
It is in fact hard to see a scenario in all this that reflects well on on Joe's team at all EXCEPT for the one where they listened to the fans and then did the decent thing in response, but you seem to think that this is unlikely...
Every artist releases dates in a way to not affect sales of earlier announced dates. Just anecdotal evidence but case in point. Fleetwood Mac released fall tour dates and Dallas 180 miles south of Oklahoma City was as close as they were coming to me. I bought tickets. The Spring tour was announced later and Oklahoma City was on the schedule. Do I get mad at anybody? Do I think they are playing me the fool? No I sell my Dallas tickets on Stub Hub and make $200 each and buy better seats in OKC. Yea me. It's the concert business not the concert charity. Of course the dates and routing were planned and are planned months in advance and of course the information is withheld. I'm sorry but the whining here is becoming fingernails on the chalkboard. Can we please quietly protest the grave injustices in the Bonamassa world.
Fair enough Jim, I can't speak for others, but I personally shall say no more on this particular subject. But for future reference, I think it would be fair to say that there are a couple of things that really irritate a lot of people over here (certainly from the feedback I've been getting): firstly having what they consider to be legitimate beefs described as 'whining' (this is unnecessary and insulting and is always likely to provoke a response) and secondly having privileged people who are fortunate enough to see Joe many times a year trying to tell fans less financially fortunate than themselves that they should just get on with it and spend money they don't necessarily have...
jim m wrote:Bluemac wrote:If there are indeed going to be some regional concerts (and I hope for the sake of the British fans that this is the case) and Joe's team DID know in advance that this was going to happen, why didn't they say something sooner?? Surely letting all this bitterness, argument and alientation fester for months when they could have nipped it in the bud early doesn't make any sense. Why would you treat your fans that way and risk them possibly talking negatively to others about Joe and what has happened? Unless they were worried that if they informed people of the regional gigs too early, it would affect sales of the Apollo tickets. In which case this could be be seen as nothing more than a cynical ploy to get people to pay top dollar to go to London instead of waiting for something (hopefully) more reasonably priced locally. And that would not reflect well on them either.
It is in fact hard to see a scenario in all this that reflects well on on Joe's team at all EXCEPT for the one where they listened to the fans and then did the decent thing in response, but you seem to think that this is unlikely...
Every artist releases dates in a way to not affect sales of earlier announced dates. Just anecdotal evidence but case in point. Fleetwood Mac released fall tour dates and Dallas 180 miles south of Oklahoma City was as close as they were coming to me. I bought tickets. The Spring tour was announced later and Oklahoma City was on the schedule. Do I get mad at anybody? Do I think they are playing me the fool? No I sell my Dallas tickets on Stub Hub and make $200 each and buy better seats in OKC. Yea me. It's the concert business not the concert charity. Of course the dates and routing were planned and are planned months in advance and of course the information is withheld. I'm sorry but the whining here is becoming fingernails on the chalkboard. Can we please quietly protest the grave injustices in the Bonamassa world.
Fair enough Jim, I can't speak for others, but I personally shall say no more on this particular subject. But for future reference, I think it would be fair to say that there are a couple of things that really irritate a lot of people over here (certainly from the feedback I've been getting): firstly having what they consider to be legitimate beefs described as 'whining' (this is unnecessary and insulting and is always likely to provoke a response) and secondly having privileged people who are fortunate enough to see Joe many times a year trying to tell fans less financially fortunate than themselves that they should just get on with it and spend money they don't necessarily have...
Of course the old rule applies here and it applies even to me. It is not what you say but how you say it that offends. I understand money issues and understand the concerns about ticket prices. It comes down to priorities and choices. Joe is my hobby. I don't hunt, fish or scuba dive. I have grown kids. There has been one non Joe vacation in the last 13 years for me. I certainly could do other things with my time and being here almost everyday is something I have chosen to do. The forum is here to voice your concerns and again as I moderate it isn't what you say but how you say it that gets my attention. Joe reads the forum and he has heard and listens to his fans. This is a direct line to him. I often pass feedback and complaints on to people in the organization that can rectify situations that have developed over the years and they really do have a customer satisfaction if first attitude.
Having been in the service business for 35 years I have come to know that you can't please everybody. You can only do your best. I know that Joe's organization does their best. Yes sometimes your best falls short of some peoples expectations. A complaint is lodged. I have responded unofficially to them here recently after sitting quietly while people voiced their displeasure with the current ticket prices. I think I did it in a diplomatic way. People always want to know the future routing of shows including me. I want to know when and where the Three Kings tour is playing. I would like to make plans for my summer vacation because I want to see it. However if I knew before others I would not be at liberty to announce here because it wouldn't be official. There are leaks from the venues and the co-sponsors (PBS) about a few dates which is good enough for me and we found out about them here. That is what this place is for.
There have been numerous topics and discussions about ticket pricing here and everyone that wanted to has had the opportunity to vent. Sorry I just couldn't take the same discussion being resurrected about releasing tour dates combined with the ticket price gripes in another thread. I'm not perfect I try to make points in a reserved and well thought out way. I shot from the hip once. Unfortunately I'm a pretty deadly shot.
For the record Jim, I think you do a fantastic job of moderating on here and always try to give people a fair hearing and a reasoned argument - it's one of the reasons I personally enjoy contributing to this particular forum...
For the record Jim, I think you do a fantastic job of moderating on here and always try to give people a fair hearing and a reasoned argument - it's one of the reasons I personally enjoy contributing to this particular forum...
+1 on that score also. 
Kenny wrote:I would agree Sept / Oct. There will probably be flyers at the London shows. Could be :
Glasgow / Newcastle / Manchester / Nottingham / Birmingham / Brighton.
Usual venues but why does the south west always miss out we have large venues that bands use, i.e. Plymouth pavilions and Westpoint Nr Exeter these always seen to be lacking yet are good venues. C'mon Joe how about it?
Hi David, the last time I saw Joe was at the BIC in Bournemouth, let's hope he's back there soon
David.247 wrote:Kenny wrote:I would agree Sept / Oct. There will probably be flyers at the London shows. Could be :
Glasgow / Newcastle / Manchester / Nottingham / Birmingham / Brighton.
Usual venues but why does the south west always miss out we have large venues that bands use, i.e. Plymouth pavilions and Westpoint Nr Exeter these always seen to be lacking yet are good venues. C'mon Joe how about it?
Hi David, the last time I saw Joe was at the BIC in Bournemouth, let's hope he's back there soon
Bournmouth or Birmingham is still a trek for us in the southwest. however i'm trying to persuade my wife into letting me go to London Hamersmith just in case he doesn't do anymore in England
Relayer wrote:David.247 wrote:Usual venues but why does the south west always miss out we have large venues that bands use, i.e. Plymouth pavilions and Westpoint Nr Exeter these always seen to be lacking yet are good venues. C'mon Joe how about it?
Hi David, the last time I saw Joe was at the BIC in Bournemouth, let's hope he's back there soon
Bournmouth or Birmingham is still a trek for us in the southwest. however i'm trying to persuade my wife into letting me go to London Hamersmith just in case he doesn't do anymore in England
I thought Bournemouth was in the southwest !!??
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