Re: Gibson to raise prices for 2015

Can i ask a question about G-Force?

I've been told to use .009 on electric if i wanted to tune up to Open E, as the tension could hurt the guitar's neck.
In Standard tuning I can use up to .012 (usually .011) and i like the feeling and tone i get from bigger strings.

Can the G-Force handle bigger strings? and if so, won't it hurts the neck if the G-Force tune .011 or .012 in open E? Or does the mechanism compensate in some way and we don't have that actual tension on the strings?

Just curious, because i don't want to be forced (G-forced!!! smile  ) to use only light strings. At least for the strings i'd still like to have a choice (if i can't have it for the guitar)

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I don't mind the G-Force either. Maybe it's a cool tool, and if I didn't like it I would remove it and sell it. I think the new models sound great!

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Stefan76 wrote:

Can i ask a question about G-Force?

I've been told to use .009 on electric if i wanted to tune up to Open E, as the tension could hurt the guitar's neck.
In Standard tuning I can use up to .012 (usually .011) and i like the feeling and tone i get from bigger strings.

Can the G-Force handle bigger strings? and if so, won't it hurts the neck if the G-Force tune .011 or .012 in open E? Or does the mechanism compensate in some way and we don't have that actual tension on the strings?

Just curious, because i don't want to be forced (G-forced!!! smile  ) to use only light strings. At least for the strings i'd still like to have a choice (if i can't have it for the guitar)

If I remember correctly max string gauge is .13 to .56 or you could break the tuners.  Thinking you meant tuners and not neck?

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Hogsniper wrote:
Stefan76 wrote:

Can i ask a question about G-Force?

I've been told to use .009 on electric if i wanted to tune up to Open E, as the tension could hurt the guitar's neck.
In Standard tuning I can use up to .012 (usually .011) and i like the feeling and tone i get from bigger strings.

Can the G-Force handle bigger strings? and if so, won't it hurts the neck if the G-Force tune .011 or .012 in open E? Or does the mechanism compensate in some way and we don't have that actual tension on the strings?

Just curious, because i don't want to be forced (G-forced!!! smile  ) to use only light strings. At least for the strings i'd still like to have a choice (if i can't have it for the guitar)

If I remember correctly max string gauge is .13 to .56 or you could break the tuners.  Thinking you meant tuners and not neck?

No i actually mean the neck, as to tune up to open E, you will have to rise the tension on the strings, and with bigger strings this will end up with a massive tension on the neck that can hurt the guitar. I don't know if this is really true, or if is only with bolted neck. Maybe a glued neck as for Gibson doesn't have this problem.

I don't really know about it, and so i asked just to have an answer from someone with more experience! smile

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Stefan76 wrote:
Hogsniper wrote:
Stefan76 wrote:

Can i ask a question about G-Force?

I've been told to use .009 on electric if i wanted to tune up to Open E, as the tension could hurt the guitar's neck.
In Standard tuning I can use up to .012 (usually .011) and i like the feeling and tone i get from bigger strings.

Can the G-Force handle bigger strings? and if so, won't it hurts the neck if the G-Force tune .011 or .012 in open E? Or does the mechanism compensate in some way and we don't have that actual tension on the strings?

Just curious, because i don't want to be forced (G-forced!!! smile  ) to use only light strings. At least for the strings i'd still like to have a choice (if i can't have it for the guitar)

If I remember correctly max string gauge is .13 to .56 or you could break the tuners.  Thinking you meant tuners and not neck?

No i actually mean the neck, as to tune up to open E, you will have to rise the tension on the strings, and with bigger strings this will end up with a massive tension on the neck that can hurt the guitar. I don't know if this is really true, or if is only with bolted neck. Maybe a glued neck as for Gibson doesn't have this problem.

I don't really know about it, and so i asked just to have an answer from someone with more experience! smile

That wouldn't have anything to do with the guitar having the G-force or not.  Open E is a standard tuning that comes pre-programmed in the model I have.

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Hogsniper wrote:

That wouldn't have anything to do with the guitar having the G-force or not.  Open E is a standard tuning that comes pre-programmed in the model I have.

To say pre-programmed, means that the G-Force can tune the guitar in that tuning. And i don't doubt it.

But low to high open E is E-B-E-G#-B-e so you have to raise 5th from A to B, 4th from D to E, and 3rd from G to G#. So you have more tension than in Standard tuning. G-Force or not, friends have suggested me not to tune in open E if not using light gauge strings, to prevent damages to the guitar.

Assuming that my friends are right, i was just asking how can the G-Force manage to tune in open E with bigger strings without damages, as if i do it with a standard guitar i may damage it?

Does the G-Force compensate in some way and we don't reach the actual tension that we will have on a normal guitar?

I just ask because if it is not "wise" to do something with a standard guitar, how can the G-Force manage to do it without problems?....of course just assuming that my friends are right about the much higher tension and possible damages

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Stefan76 wrote:
Hogsniper wrote:

That wouldn't have anything to do with the guitar having the G-force or not.  Open E is a standard tuning that comes pre-programmed in the model I have.


Does the G-Force compensate in some way and we don't reach the actual tension that we will have on a normal guitar?

I dont think that is possible. The only way would be to tune to a lower open chord and capo up.

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Rusty wrote:
Stefan76 wrote:
Hogsniper wrote:

That wouldn't have anything to do with the guitar having the G-force or not.  Open E is a standard tuning that comes pre-programmed in the model I have.


Does the G-Force compensate in some way and we don't reach the actual tension that we will have on a normal guitar?

I dont think that is possible. The only way would be to tune to a lower open chord and capo up.

Correct. For a given natural (vibration) frequency, it doesn't matter to the string whether the tuner is motorized or not. The tension required for any given tuning doesn't change. Whether the motor mechanism can do it for a specific string weight would be the question, but that's not relevant to your question on whether the neck can handle it.

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timb wrote:
Rusty wrote:
Stefan76 wrote:

Does the G-Force compensate in some way and we don't reach the actual tension that we will have on a normal guitar?

I dont think that is possible. The only way would be to tune to a lower open chord and capo up.

Correct. For a given natural (vibration) frequency, it doesn't matter to the string whether the tuner is motorized or not. The tension required for any given tuning doesn't change. Whether the motor mechanism can do it for a specific string weight would be the question, but that's not relevant to your question on whether the neck can handle it.

In short it would be a question for the guitar manufacturer. It would not be an issue for the Tronical if you keep the strings to their recommendation.  13 to 56 I checked on their site.

A decent guitar will not have a problem with the 11s, or 12s, tuned to open E you were asking about.  Truss rod adjustment possibly but no permanent damage.

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timb wrote:

Let's hope history views this as the guitar version of "New Coke". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Coke

lol yeah!  For the 2016 range they will go back to how they where made in 2013, and have a price increase because of that too!

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petew wrote:
timb wrote:

Let's hope history views this as the guitar version of "New Coke". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Coke

lol yeah!  For the 2016 range they will go back to how they where made in 2013, and have a price increase because of that too!

Yeah the cost of their mistake passed on the us.,..,. Only in America

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cindyron wrote:

I am fully confident that whatever marketing Bozo at a Gibson started this whole in your face you must have auto tune thing will be on the street. Sooner or later the brass at Gibson will see the light. I just hope it is not after their whole customer base has left the building and sales drop so low they can't recover.

Ron,

I agree... I was a big Gibson fan - and haven't sold the ones I have - but the last EIGHT guitars I've bought now have been Music Man.

Kevin

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kestrou wrote:
cindyron wrote:

I am fully confident that whatever marketing Bozo at a Gibson started this whole in your face you must have auto tune thing will be on the street. Sooner or later the brass at Gibson will see the light. I just hope it is not after their whole customer base has left the building and sales drop so low they can't recover.

Ron,

I agree... I was a big Gibson fan - and haven't sold the ones I have - but the last EIGHT guitars I've bought now have been Music Man.

Kevin

I have a few music mans, I am still a les paul fan but I fear quality and what you want and expect can only be had by a custom shop purchase

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Well it might not be all bad. . .

Firebird 7 with "proper" humbuckers, which I know alot of people wont like, but this has me interested.
http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Electri … ird-7.aspx

Also the SGS3 looks amazing.
http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Electri … -2015.aspx

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I was looking some "Skinnerburst" videos on youtube when i saw this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB0wi5-5wNU

Seems we are not the only one complaining about the new Gibson 2015 line! LOL wink

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Stefan76 wrote:

I was looking some "Skinnerburst" videos on youtube when i saw this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB0wi5-5wNU

Seems we are not the only one complaining about the new Gibson 2015 line! LOL wink

Very good
I mean really I am sure the brass at Gibson are already saying "oh crap maybe we screwed up".
If not yet their tune will change when their sales collapse. Hey send a note to Gibson tell what you think I did.
Cheers Ron

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Stefan76 wrote:

I was looking some "Skinnerburst" videos on youtube when i saw this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB0wi5-5wNU

Seems we are not the only one complaining about the new Gibson 2015 line! LOL wink

Oh man - that's GREAT right there! smile

Kevin