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Nice to see Joe popping up on the forum after a long absence - and I like the fact that he's so open to feedback, both positive and negative. Isn't that what a forum should be all about? We're never all going to think the same way (thank goodness). The latest album is not one of my favourites, but I respect the fact that he likes to challenge us and take risks. Counting down to Munich in February! smile

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Oh sh*t, we've been challenged - I'm getting busy smile

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etexsly wrote:

SlyStrat,

I think the secret sauce you miss is the sound of the steam locomotive.

Where I live is the documented birthplace of Boogie Woogie -- the predecessor to most of the Blues. Boogie Woogie came out of the logging camps and the railroads that made large scale logging possible. Although it is easier to hear the sounds of the  trains when played on a piano, you can hear Leadbelly play it on his guitar. BTW, Leadbelly lived here when he was a young adult. In fact, he may have done his first jail time here.

The website would not allow me to post a link. There is an excellent example on YouTube. Search for "Leadbelly - The Gallows Pole".

I'd love it if Joe would come to Marshall TX to write his next cd. That would be powerful. He really does better without the extra input from the "professional writers". I think their input created a dilutive effect. Luckily, Joe reconstituted the tunes to a greater strength when he performed them live.

Marshall Texas home of Wes Jeans.

Your rock candy baby
Your hard sweet and sticky

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Very nice for Joe to accept Slystrats opinion.
It's the people who come here and bash and get ignorant that cause the problem .
BTW I agree that Joe does challenge the fans.For me he always amazes!

Your rock candy baby
Your hard sweet and sticky

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Durham NC 12/4 & Columbia SC 12/5, I'm ready to be schooled!  I'd hit Greenville SC 12/6 but I'm out of tuition money sad

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gary wrote:
etexsly wrote:

SlyStrat,

I think the secret sauce you miss is the sound of the steam locomotive.

Where I live is the documented birthplace of Boogie Woogie -- the predecessor to most of the Blues. Boogie Woogie came out of the logging camps and the railroads that made large scale logging possible. Although it is easier to hear the sounds of the  trains when played on a piano, you can hear Leadbelly play it on his guitar. BTW, Leadbelly lived here when he was a young adult. In fact, he may have done his first jail time here.

The website would not allow me to post a link. There is an excellent example on YouTube. Search for "Leadbelly - The Gallows Pole".

I'd love it if Joe would come to Marshall TX to write his next cd. That would be powerful. He really does better without the extra input from the "professional writers". I think their input created a dilutive effect. Luckily, Joe reconstituted the tunes to a greater strength when he performed them live.

Marshall Texas home of Wes Jeans.

Our houses are 0.6 miles apart. Just checked.

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Have you seen him play live?

Your rock candy baby
Your hard sweet and sticky

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gary wrote:

Have you seen him play live?

No, but I'd like to. Really don't have anyone to go with. Maybe sometime my brother is in town we can see if Wes Jeans is playing nearby.

Feel free to PM me if you wish. I don't want to go too far off topic on this thread. (I'm bad about that.)

27 (edited by Bluemac 2014-11-15 12:41:32)

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I’ve listened to DSOB a lot just recently and I have to say that I like it... I just don’t really love it in the way that I love, say, Blues Deluxe, You & Me or John Henry. For me, John Henry was probably Joe’s last real killer guitar album (others may disagree).

I thought Dust Bowl had some great guitar tracks (Last Matador, etc.) mixed with some pretty ordinary stuff (Tennessee Plates, Dust Bowl, Sweet Rowena) and marked the start of a steady movement away from ‘great guitar songs’ to ‘great songs featuring guitars’. Black Rock, DTTD and DSOB are all fine, enjoyable albums that I like to listen to and have some great songs on them (Athens to Athens, Driving Towards the Daylight, Dislocated Boy, Different Shades of Blue, So What Would I Do). But these tend to be songs that suit being played acoustically, rather than electrically.

These three albums have probably done a lot to widen Joe’s appeal but, for me, haven’t really produced any killer guitar tracks that stand shoulder to shoulder with some of his earlier work or which have earned a ‘must play live’ status. I watched the video of Joe playing Oh Beautiful and Midnight Blues on French TV and honestly felt that Oh Beautiful really only HINTED at what Joe is capable of as a guitarist and singer, while Midnight Blues DEMONSTRATED what he is capable of.  By the same token, when people ask which of Joe’s albums are a great introduction to his music or should be recommended to friends, Forum members almost invariably opt of RAH 1 or LFNIP, not the recent studio albums.

I remember as a kid being disappointed with Clapton’s 461 Ocean Boulevard album because it paled into insignificance as a guitar album alongside, say, Rory Gallagher’s Irish Tour ’74, which was released around the same time and a lot of us pretty much stopped listening to Clapton at that point. By going for a more 'popular' sound, Clapton went on of course to be incredibly successful, but I’m not sure he ever lived up to his reputation as one of the guitar greats from that point on. His real guitar legacy really remains rooted in his work of the late 60s and very early 70s.

I can understand why Joe doesn’t necessarily want to live in the past and wants to reach a wider audience and try different things, but as a fan of his I’m still keeping my fingers crossed that the next album will be a step in the direction of something a bit more ‘Beano’ and not another step in the direction of ‘Tears in Heaven’, if you know what I mean...

Music is such a subjective thing and this is just my personal opinion. Ask 100 other people and you may get 100 completely different opinions.

Even fools say something worthwhile now and again

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I was happy to see this thread, because I was afraid to start one.  That being said, I am very pleased and impressed at the decorum of the members here not getting bent out of shape at people who did not care for this CD....and Joe's comments as well.

We pre-ordered the CD and could not wait to get it.  We have been such fans, traveled 100s of miles to see him 3 times and were left flat after the first listen. However, when we got DTTD, we listened to it 3 times in a row and loved it.  Yes, everyone's tastes are different and I respect that.  Then, hubby had knee replacement in late Sept. (30 min away) and I proceeded to listen critically a few more times during my drive back and forth to the hospital.  I think about 1/2 of it is ok, but agree with not liking that "big band" feel on several of them.  Bluemac, I think you summed up a lot of our feelings on this and Joe's direction.  Hubby started to waiver after all the acoustic sets and was not happy in Birmingham when that was part of the show. It used to be that we would buy anything that Joe put out w/o a preview, but I'm afraid that his direction may make us pick and choose at this point.  We too keep our fingers crossed that he will move back to a guitar centric, straight blues direction and hubby will not pay the big bucks to see him until he does.

We applaud Joe for all he has accomplished and are so proud of him like parents and their own child.  However, I guess we will just watch his career, pick the cds carefully and hope he turns in our direction musically again.

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beergodess wrote:

I was happy to see this thread, because I was afraid to start one.  That being said, I am very pleased and impressed at the decorum of the members here not getting bent out of shape at people who did not care for this CD....and Joe's comments as well.

We pre-ordered the CD and could not wait to get it.  We have been such fans, traveled 100s of miles to see him 3 times and were left flat after the first listen. However, when we got DTTD, we listened to it 3 times in a row and loved it.  Yes, everyone's tastes are different and I respect that.  Then, hubby had knee replacement in late Sept. (30 min away) and I proceeded to listen critically a few more times during my drive back and forth to the hospital.  I think about 1/2 of it is ok, but agree with not liking that "big band" feel on several of them.  Bluemac, I think you summed up a lot of our feelings on this and Joe's direction.  Hubby started to waiver after all the acoustic sets and was not happy in Birmingham when that was part of the show. It used to be that we would buy anything that Joe put out w/o a preview, but I'm afraid that his direction may make us pick and choose at this point.  We too keep our fingers crossed that he will move back to a guitar centric, straight blues direction and hubby will not pay the big bucks to see him until he does.

We applaud Joe for all he has accomplished and are so proud of him like parents and their own child.  However, I guess we will just watch his career, pick the cds carefully and hope he turns in our direction musically again.

Hey Beergodess, I must admit that I tend to differentiate between Joe’s recorded work and his live work. Although DSOB is not really one of my favourites, it won’t stop me going to see Joe playing live as he generally always puts on a great show. In these days of iTunes, streaming, playlists, etc., it’s pretty easy to listen to the stuff you really like at home and in the car and not bother with the stuff you don’t. At the end of the day, if you buy a CD that you don’t particularly like, you haven’t really wasted THAT much money.

However, I do recognise that going to one of Joe’s shows can be expensive, especially if you have to add in the cost of travel and a hotel, so you naturally don’t want THAT to be a disappointment. It’s human nature when you go to a show to hope that an artist will play all your favourite songs, but that rarely happens except on maybe greatest hits tours. The next best thing is that the artist plays his very best material, even if it’s not your favourite stuff (I really like Blues Deluxe, for example, but if Joe plays Midnight Blues instead, that’s fine with me too, because it’s also a quality song).
 
In reality, unless you like every single thing an artist has ever produced, there’s always likely to be some songs in a set list that are not your favourites and occasions where you might think a better song has been removed from a set list to make way for one that’s not as good. That’s the way of the world. I guess the question of whether you choose to splash out on tickets depends on just how many of the songs on the set list fall into this category...

I’m looking forward to seeing Joe play live next spring. I personally think he’s done some of his very best work with a horn band (RAH 1, Shepherds Bush TDF) and has had rave reviews for his Muddy Wolf concerts, so if he does have a horn band I'd be really happy if some of my personal favourites from those days such as Blues Deluxe, So Many Roads and The Great Flood (which sounds fantastic with horns) made a re-appearance. But others may be hoping for something else and you can't keep everybody happy...

Even fools say something worthwhile now and again

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Joe:
   You are one of my greatest inspirations for playing guitar.
   I have most of your cd's and concert Blu-rays.
   Watch all the clips of you on YouTube.
   I understand your going in a new direction, and a lot of people liking the latest cd.
   I'd love to see you doing something more like Cream and Free.
   No brass band or keyboard.
   Just lot's of electric guitar.
SlyStrat

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SlyStrat wrote:

Joe:
   You are one of my greatest inspirations for playing guitar.
   I have most of your cd's and concert Blu-rays.
   Watch all the clips of you on YouTube.
   I understand your going in a new direction, and a lot of people liking the latest cd.
   I'd love to see you doing something more like Cream and Free.
   No brass band or keyboard.
   Just lot's of electric guitar.
SlyStrat


Ditto

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