Topic: Home Theater Sound

With all of Joe's DVD/Blu Ray releases and my move 17 months ago I set up a home theater. I watch the occasional action movie there and Netflix but when I have the house to myself I listen and watch Music Concert video's I have collected many but most of my Blu Ray concerts are Joe concerts.

I experiment with the different settings but I always seem to go back to DTS Stereo and 7 channel stereo setting. There just is more clarity and fullness. I bought the Yamaha receiver when I moved in and installed in the wall Bose front and surround with in the wall sub and center channel. I have Bose rear surround cube type and although I thought the speakers may be too small they are just fine for my small room. When I listen to CD's I play through a separate pair of Infinity Kappa 5 and bypass all the surround gimmicks and they sound great.

Anybody have on opinion on why I might not like the 5.1 DTS digital discreet setting and the other settings like small hall or large hall. I would think that if something is mastered for it and I have something to play that mastering with I should be able to enjoy that but so far not so much.

2 (edited by RickB 2014-03-27 09:41:00)

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I think that the room acoustics have more to do with it than anything else Jim. I have tried various settings myself and find that the 5.1 with small hall setting works best here. Mine is in the living room end and the room is about 30 x12 with a stairway in the middle and a 12x12 sunroom and dining room at each end with open walls to each.  Play it how you like it to sound. That's why there are so many options. Did you try the auto sense adjustment? I have a Yamaha Cinema dtx with the matching Yamaha speaker system and it has that feature. My sub sits in the corner of the room behind the console and screen. I have the surround speakers wall mounted and angled down to get away from the ceiling bounce.
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Hey Jim-Is your theater room a dedicated music and movie room? Like Rick said, your room acoustics will have a greater effect on sound than just your DTS settings. Placement of furniture and nic-nacs becomes important. Many years ago when I was really into home theater, I had read that a good idea was to hang tapestries or drapes at approx. the 1/3 distance along the left and right walls if you need to soften the sound somewhat. I would also recommend purchasing a sound meter to determine the decibel levels from each individual speaker. They used to be about $20.00 at Radio Shack. I don't know if your Yamaha has a program for doing this like my Marantz, but I still use the sound meter as well just to get the sound fine tuned. I've found that there is a definite difference between DTS and standard 5.1. Good luck and happy listening!

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guido wrote:

Hey Jim-Is your theater room a dedicated music and movie room? Like Rick said, your room acoustics will have a greater effect on sound than just your DTS settings. Placement of furniture and nic-nacs becomes important. Many years ago when I was really into home theater, I had read that a good idea was to hang tapestries or drapes at approx. the 1/3 distance along the left and right walls if you need to soften the sound somewhat. I would also recommend purchasing a sound meter to determine the decibel levels from each individual speaker. They used to be about $20.00 at Radio Shack. I don't know if your Yamaha has a program for doing this like my Marantz, but I still use the sound meter as well just to get the sound fine tuned. I've found that there is a definite difference between DTS and standard 5.1. Good luck and happy listening!

Yes it is like a personal listening/movie room. Approximately 12x12 It was an office for the previous owners. I started with blank walls a large window on one side and double glass doors on the hall side. I put honeycomb shade on window that blacked out the window and softened it. I just had drapes made well my wife did but I had them done floor to ceiling on either side of the window and over the door to not only soften but absorb to keep the sound from bothering the Mrs in the living room. We put an area rug over the hardwood floor and I changed out the leather recliners for a small couch with chaise at one end. So it will seat 3 adults or two adults and my two grandkids. My Yamaha has a mic analyzer that sets the EQ and volume levels also you can manually do it. I have a DB app on my phone that works pretty well but not sure if it would be any more accurate. The room is definitely not as lively now.   

The gripe I guess I have is the presence is lost in the 5.1 DTS mode for whatever reason especially with the JB BH Blu Ray when I switch to stereo it comes alive. There are some adjustments to make on the receiver but I find myself fooling with that so much I am not enjoying the concert. After one time through messing with settings I just tried the straight stereo mix and it was wow. Why didn't I try that before. I thought that maybe all that extra information is good for Saving Private Ryan but it seems when it comes to music just give me stereo. Then again I don't know enough about the way they mix for the 5.1 to know what it's supposed to sound like. RCFP seems to sound nearly the same switching from Stereo to 5.1 but I still like the sound of straight stereo through my 7 speakers better. Just my observation so far and have really not researched it enough to have an informed opinion.

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Hi Jim,
  I purchased from Best Buy a Yamaha 7.1 home theater receiver about 2 years ago. I was very dissapointed in the surround sound  with this unit until I discovered that the unit had to be calibrated to the room via a provided microphone. Once I performed the procedure The surround sound came alive and I couldn't be happier with it. I'm wondering if your unit is the same my model # is rx-v471. I hope this helps.

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Watt was the question?

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Hi Jim,
  I purchased from Best Buy a Yamaha 7.1 home theater receiver about 2 years ago. I was very dissapointed in the surround sound  with this unit until I discovered that the unit had to be calibrated to the room via a provided microphone. Once I performed the procedure The surround sound came alive and I couldn't be happier with it. I'm wondering if your unit is the same my model # is rx-v471. I hope this helps.

RXA720 Receiver. It had the Mic room analyzer and I have retuned the room after each modification of it as the acoustics changed with furniture rug and drapes. Still don't like the sound in 5.1 mode better than stereo. Not sure is it is me the settings or room but I'm thinking it is me.

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Rocket wrote:

Watt was the question?

WATT? I can't hear you.

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jim m wrote:
Rocket wrote:

Watt was the question?

WATT? I can't hear you.

Bose speakers to me were always like surround sound in a box...more or less.  Competition between Bose and Yamaha for same real or imagined acoustical space???

Maybe you have too much "softening?"  Pull up the rug, especially if you have a floating floor (such as a laminate), see what, I mean hear what happens.  Could be better.  Could be worse.  Could possibly not affect perceived problem at all! tongue

I have a feeling it is a "bit" more complicated...


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I have a Panasonic 1000 What! Home Theatre system, it is plenty suffice wink and the music reproduction is pristine and crystal clear at high volume with a full bass sound

i hear Bose is the best from sources and if i had the money i would lay out on a full Bose system. But i have a pair of Bose £200 headphones which are unreal in clarity and bass smoothness, and Carmine once pointed out that they were his choice too when i was wearing them at a M&G

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11 (edited by Rocket 2014-04-01 14:32:16)

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You didn't hear Bose was best from this sower sez.  The "live" Bose characteristic can be very pleasing and comfortable, but manipulations YOU may wish or wish to make are not always possible.  Or if you are me, it can get annoying even, at times.  But Bose gets branded bested at their game by a better brand, Von Schweikert- look it up.  Almost was a low level employee for Albert, in the home town, even...his workplace got flooded by New York (d)rain and he was temporarily out of business.  He's located 3 different places here in Southern California since.  Von Schweikert, Genesis, Infinity (vintage "reference" at least), etc. be repaired to shed some large salary, though! yikes   Paradigm headphones may be a little better if less well known,  but they and Bose's noise-cancelling headphones are great for passenger travel on Planes, Trains, and Automobiles.  Speakers and speaker placement are more of a concern than room acoustics, initially, based on the premise you are not designing or redesigning the room, in which case The more more more spare ca$$$$$h you have to spend on this junk, the more you might want to hire an acoustic engineer or at least someone professional to "setup" a home-theater for you, just like getting your guitar setup by a pro.  But for common setups, you are pretty much on our own.  Where was I going with this??? lol

Where's jim when I need him?  Jim, are you using S/PDIF instead of HDMI cables?  Nevermind, you like simple answers so here is a blatantly simple explanation: you are missing the extreme to-your-left and extreme to-your-right channel speakers, which should more than less line up with your holes in your head, no, not there, and no, not your nostrils, your ears.  Missing the straight shot put paths into cerebral distribution and processing.  With the your hearing loss, it must be significant.  You explaining the great sound of the 7 speakers generic "stereo," to myself, solidifies my opinion.


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ps-once again, for the record, the classic definition of stereo is ANY multichannel, regardless of number of channels above "mono."  Quadrophonic was stereo, all surround sound is stereo, and 2 channels, 2 speakers is (and always will be) always easily recognized as stereo. wink  Yes, 8 channels of an original mono signal technically transform it magically (or per craps tragically) into "stereo."

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I bought the Bose without even hearing them simply because they had a reasonable priced flush mount in the wall speaker. 4 of them FL, FR, BL, BR, I bought flush mount in the wall center channel that was much more expensive. The brand I can't remember because I knew dialogue needed to be clear and a good quality speaker was desired with my hearing loss in the voice range. I can adjust that easily to compensate for it. I have an in the wall 12" sub with a dedicated power amp. The house I bought had some Bose cube type speakers left in another room so I nabbed them to be my left and right rears at ear level with my surrounds flush mounted in the ceiling. 

I was just going to use the room for theater sound and not put my Infinity Kappa towers in there but the Bose system just wasn't hi fi enough for my tastes and I put the Kappa's in there and they rock. Now the Bose system rocks too as long as you set it in 7 channel stereo and I theorize because of acoustic coupling the little speakers sound much bigger and fuller but if you just use left right two speaker stereo, no bueno.

I guess the question I have is the proper setting for DTS 5.1 to be optimal is there a setting that is just straight DTS without the hall setting delays or other coloration of the sound engaged. I'm kind of just wanting to KISS Keep It Simple Stupid. I have not found that ideal setting. I keep reverting to 7 channel stereo with the Blu Ray set on Stereo mix. Now if it is an action movie I am OK with the sound but just more critical if it is a concert video.

Maybe Rocket has the best idea to have somebody come over and consult that I trust. I'm afraid to ask a professional because he will just want to sell me better stuff and I'm not buying.

13 (edited by Rocket 2014-04-03 08:52:37)

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Well, I'm confident that even without experience, college degree, or expensive test equipment (although I can use much of that), I could make a nominal improvement in your listening experience if I were there.  Guido had the best idea in my opinion.  Put a SPL meter to work.  Measure and tailor to taste!  But I would try a cheapskate-lazy trial mode of keeping the receiver system always set at DTS 7.1 and always select 2 channel stereo for music video and 5.1 and above for movies at the player itself from the DVD audio setup menu.  Another along the same cheap-lazy-practical route is disable/power off the LFE channel/amp for music only.  These could be starting points and perhaps experimentation will at least yield some sort of conclusions, pros or cons or balanced/mixed results.


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Setting the player is something I have not done yet. I do have an DB meter app on my phone. Not sure how accurate that is but I'll give it a go.

The main difference I notice is in the 5.1 DTS is the hall reverberation muddies the vocals up and Joe's guitar a bit. The stereo mix sounds more like the CD. Still the bass is a bit on the week side of the  Joe B Beth Hart DVD which I'm currently obsessed with.