Re: Surfing the Net about Sloe Gin

pcornell wrote:

One of the basic principals of designing things for consumer consumption is to design it in such a way that initially public opinion is about half the people love it, and half the people hate it. The thinking is that if everyone loves it initially then the product will have a short total life. If everyone hates it initially, then it won't sell. With the 50/50 split there is enough love to make it sell initially and then over time the other half will grow to love it and this gives the product a long life.

This may be what you have accidentally done here. 

We (Janette and I) don't expect the same things out of you each time. That is one of the best things about your new albums. We never really know what to expect, and each time its not like the last time. Almost like a surprise gift or Christmas morning.....it ups the anticipation. So I guess the thing we expect to be the same is that its going to be different in some ways. And we expect at least one really cool song that at least partially came from Mike Himelstein; you and Mike work well together.

You need to work with people like Tom Dowd and Kevin Shirley (not saying Kevin Shirley is the same as). People that are talented enough to be able to take you to new places and keep things moving forward.

No matter what you read, we believe that you know you've got it right when you look out at the crowd and see the fan reactions when you play your show. I know you got it right because to this day it doesn't matter who I introduce to your music, they become instant fans.

Keep up the good work and enjoy yourself.

PC/JC
big_smile

The first time I heard ANDY I got about half way through it and set it aside for a few weeks. My brother who had burned me the copy called and asked how I liked it. I told him it didn't grab me. To which he replied "listen again I know you'll like it." Well of course I did or I wouldn't be here right now.

Then came SILT. Popped it in skimmed through it and wondered what the hell he was thinking. Again by about the third listen it was my favorite.

Blues Deluxe was one of those as a blues fan you couldn't help but like from the first listen. It had that familiar sound done in with the Joe B blazing guitar all over it.

Three records three fovorites. The first I had no expectations of what the album would be Liked it as much for the songs as for the shredding.

The second had these expectations and boy was it a curveball. Had to be patient and not jump to conclusions about Joe.

The third was a blues inspired masterpiece. Done in more of a traditional style that many more blues people could identify with.

As the last three releases unfolded as fans of Joe we knew that we should expect the unexpected. Each new fan spawned by the current album needed to also learn that Joe is going to throw you a curve once in a while. Of course this release is no different. It does however take what You and Me started and continue the evolution but I think the majority of the negative thoughts on it are based on preconcieved notions of what a Joe B album should be.

You take any song off the album and it stands alone. That is a mark of a good album. You take the Indian flavored bridge in Dirt in my Pocket and it forshadows the closing track India. Which now we know is a taste of the next studio album. World music with a blues flavor.

I think the live album with the current lineup is exactly what needs to be done in the immidiate future for all the fans that Joe connects with on the road. After seeing him for the first time and being able to walk away with ANDY live and the DVD was a big part of me being able to spread the word about this unbelievable artist I had found. That is the point where Joe still is. Building that grass roots fallowing by touring.

Joe,
From a guy that loves you like a brother. All you can do in this life is try to please yourself. If along the way you please others then that is just icing on the cake.

20 (edited by Deezer 2007-09-16 13:09:25)

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The reason why I like Clapton's albums so much is that he is quite economical on the guitar side on them. Then live he lets them rip. This is what I see in Sloe Gin. There are a couple of great extended solos (Sloe Gin and Black Night come to mind) but you really did a good job of scaling it back. This is what is needed. To me, your last three records are your best. And I think that's because you slowly started to move towards making standout tunes. Though you're still jamming out, songs like The River, Asking Around For You, Bridge, others show me that before Sloe Gin you were starting to move towards that. That's great. Heck, even with Stevie, overall recorded studio output in his lifetime, he had only had 4 songs that went over six minutes (Voodoo Chile (Slight Return), Tin Pan Alley, Ain't Gone 'N' Give Up On Love, Riviera Paradise). You have 9. The song is most important, otherwise you are Steve Vai or John Petrucci, just flashy guitar players that only guitar players love. What you have learned, is that you use the guitar to enhance the song. I don't think I am alone in think that when Stevie hits the solos on Tightrope that it takes that song to another place. Or that when Clapton hits a solo on a song like Pretending that it's freakin' perfect. Why? Because the songs are great, and when you have great tunes with really awesome solos, the song goes to another place. The solos don't have to be long though. Both of my examples have relatively short solos, especially compared to what those artists are capable of. You don't wanna be like a whore and give it all up on the first go.

Keep doing what you want to do. Keep in mind though you will lose fans. A lot of fans didn't like Zeppelin's later albums. A lot of people hated it when Stevie added Reese Wynans on keyboards. A lot of people hated it when ZZ Top made Eliminator. A lot of people hated it when Clapton quit Cream and started making his solo albums. The key is they all followed their muse, and actually wound up better musically because of it, and in most cases, actually expanded their audience. They expanded their vocabulary so to speak, and it made them better artists because of it. You can listen to their catalog and get really diverse styles out of one artist. This is where I see Joe heading.

"And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make"

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Joe - There is nothing I like more than watching you whale away on the Hendrix covers you
used to do along with the oldies like Pain and Sorrow etc - I look around the room and
peoples mouths are hanging open in awe.  But as an artist you have to grow and move on
to try different things.  I could watch you play every night of the week and not get bored
because you are THAT good.  Sometimes when a musician changes people feel bad because
they feel they are losing them - like I lost Jonny Lang.
Sloe Gin is fantastic....   Can't wait to see you in November.

Lose your dreams and you will lose your mind.  Mick Jagger

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Joe,
I'm not a music critic, just a music lover and Sloe Gin is one of my all time favorite cds. It has been many years since I've played a cd over and over again as I have with this one. In my honest opinion, this is the your best cd to date.

My 15 month old granddaughter loves it too. Her favorite song is Jelly Roll which she dances to and tries her best to snap her little fingers. While driving somewhere one day, I offered to played Sloe Gin for my 81 yr old mom. Poor mom, she never knows what will be playing in my cd player, I have a very wide range of music I enjoy. As I was sliding Sloe Gin into the player she said she wasn't in the mood for a bunch of shrieking which I assured her there wasn't. As the cd progressed I noticed her foot tapping and halfway through she was bopping her head and keeping beat with her hand to her leg. What a cool mom I have!  She said you have a beautiful voice. She wants a copy of it!

The point to this post is, from young to old and everywhere in between, people love your music. Take the helpful criticism and give it some thought and try your best to ignore the nonconstructive bs.  Ricky Nelson said it best with his song Garden Party- "But if memories were all I sang, I rather drive a truck".  Stay true to yourself Joe.
Kathy

23 (edited by gsj 2007-09-16 15:44:42)

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Joe, I have to say that I think Sloe Gin is a fantstic album. Yeah, I'm a fan of your work otherwise I wouldn't own a copy of every album you've released and I wouldn't be on this forum and I wouldn't have seen you live as often as I have, but I think that put's me....and other forum members....in a good place to take an overview of your work.

Sloe Gin is, in my humble opinion, an album that will be looked upon as a classic in years to come. As you so rightly said, it would be too easy to rehash old blues standards and make another version of what's gone before but Sloe Gin is pushing back the boundaries...as you know so well, that's what the great blues artists who have gone before did and that's exactly what you're doing.

I'll tell you straight Joe: I run a UK guitar store, I've been gigging for over 30 years (I started young wink ) and I know my stuff. There ain't too many players around that do what you do. Your fanbase is growing and so is your astonishing talent so stick to your guns and be yourself....that's why we're all here after all....because you keep pushing back the boundaries. Sloe Gin is a fantastic piece of work. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

never give up, never slow down
never grow old, never ever die young

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So touching to know that Joe still has time to surf the net reading fans comments on SG. The thing I have realised about Mr B is that he is an honest, extremely talented and hard working guy who deserves every accolade he receives for releasing this album. The production is excellent and the choice of tracks impeccable. I sincerely believe that the majority of fans will love this album and if there are some who criticise, then so be it. You can't please all of the people all of the time.

Since when were there restrictions on what instruments could be included on a blues/rock album?

Peace and jam

millhouse:):):):):):)

"Stars fall like tears from your eyes"

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Joe, why beeing confused what people expect from you... don't.
I said it under another topic it's your music coming from your mind, soul and heart you believe in it and i do as well as many others.It's never nice to get bad critics but don't let them upset or influence you. Your a strong man with his own believes always listen to you innerself and do what you feel is the right way to take you a level higher. Sloe Gin has brought you higher and has given you as a person and musican pleasure and convidence don't let that be taking away by some people. Bad or constructive critisizm will happen over and over again as a red threat it will follow you during your musical career and you deal with it cause you can.You already talk about the coming projects with you KILLER Band and thats the way to deal with it all.Your on the right path!!!

Annelies

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Where to begin.  I think Sloe Gin is awesome, and I can't wait for your new stuff.  I've said it before that I look at you like the Michelangelo of the guitar, and I don't want to put you in a box and limit your creativity. 

As you branch out and go in different directions, you have to be ready for some to carp and complain.  So many people are threatened by change, particularly among the Blues purists.  You'd think that the Blues was a religion that hadn't changed at all since its inception thousands of years ago, but IMO there's a huge change from Robert Johnson to Muddy Waters to Buddy and BB to SRV to you.  And that's just in a timeframe of 100 years or so.  The difference is that the internet didn't exist 50 years ago for people to b!tch anonymously about it.  In any kind of art (painting, poetry, music or whatever) it changes and progresses or it dies.  Not every experiment will be universally loved but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be tried.  Like Edison with the lightbulb, if you try something different enough times eventually you'll discover something pretty cool. 

Additionally, you have to know that mentally troubled people frequent the internet causing conflict wherever and whenever they can -- these are trolls.  Ignore this, these are largely people whose lives suck and are just trying to spread the misery.  They have no power in life, so they act out in cyberspace to create as much havoc as they can.

Joe, you need to read or re-read The Fountainhead by Ayn Rand.  The characters of Howard Roark, Peter Keating, and Ellsworth Toohey will become readily identifiable to you in your own life. 

Additionally, critics while sometimes useful are many times frustrated people who can't achieve success in the field they critique.  Those who can do, and those who can't b!tch.  The world is full of "aginners," people who are against anything that tries to change or better things.  In another sense, having grown up in a small town in Iowa, there are a certain group who want nothing more than to criticize and tear down those who are working for positive change.  It is always a lot easier to sit and complain on the curb as the parade goes by than to try to do something about it. 

I don't have the quote at hand, but Teddy Roosevelt had a great, long quote about the "Man In the Arena."  It starts out something like:  "It is not the critic who counts, it is the man in the arena whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood."  And it ends with something like:  "the credit goes to the man who dares greatly even if he fails, not to those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat."

Something else I've been told is that a third of the people will like you, a third of the people won't like you, and a third won't care about you.  This is just the way life is, given that taste is an individual thing.  I think there is a quote from Bob Dylan that goes something like:  "A man is a success if he does what he wants between the time he gets up and he goes to sleep."

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I know, replying to my own post, how pretentious is that.  Just to temper the message of my first post a little bit, I think it goes without saying (but I'll say it anyway) that you don't want to go out of your way to alienate your fans/customers because it's how you make your living.  But at the same time, the thing I admire most about you is your taste.  I think if you like what you put out I'll like it too, because that's the way it's been so far.  Just don't start drinking absinthe like Baudelaire or Rimbaud, and I think you'll be okay (lol).

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Joe, come on. YOU ARE AMAZING!!! One thing I learned early on is to not care about what people think and to just live your life and do what you want.  It is SO much less stressful that the other option.  Sloe Gin is amazing, and just ignore all those bad reviews...you and I both know it's better than most of the crap on MTV. smile As far as those purists who want you to go Satriani on all your albums...first of all, if they want that, they can just watch ANDY Live over and over again.  You do what you want...come on, whatever happened to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"? As Annelies said in an earlier post, "It's Joe Bonamassa."  That just happens to be the best "label" for this album. 
By the way, the world blues album sounds like an awesome idea!! smile smile smile

Mary

LOL-ler-tastic.

29 (edited by pattyluvsjoe 2007-09-16 17:47:27)

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***********  Do not go where the path may lead,
                              go instead where there is no path
                                   and leave a trail.
                                              Ralph Waldo Emerson ************



      Hey Joe,
           Do something fun........take an extra nap.......fluff your pillow a couple of extra times.......play a game of cards......watch a movie with the guys........do something fun.
           You deserve it and maybe you need a few of these from me....

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                                                                   pattyluvsjoe

"I'm not nice to any guitar!"      lol
                 Joe Bonamassa 05-03-12

JBLP CHILD #184

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Hi Joe,
I'm really not crazy about dishing out advice regarding an industry I know very little about but since you asked...   You have to know, since this is your forum that most people, including me, are going to tell you that we love you,  we love the new record, and we want you to be successful.

I'm sure you are probably going to get alot of conflicting suggestions.  For me personally, I will tell you I was a little disappointed when I heard you were going to do an all acoustic record.  (not that I don't like acoustic),  just not the entire album.  Alot of people were excited about it. I was thrilled when that record turned into "Sloe Gin" instead.  Strings and all.  The point is, we're all not going to love everything you do all the time.

I do love what you and Kevin Shirley are doing together.  Some people won't.  In general, you will find that people are very reluctant to change.  They like what they like and they want it to stay that way.

Your record is doing great.  You know that.  So......
Since you asked, my advice to you is to be true to yourself and do what feels right for you.  Otherwise, you are not going to be happy and if you're not happy, your music will most likely suffer. And know that every artist has fans that don't appreciate everything they're doing.  So, one more tidbit of advice, Get some really thick skin or just stop reading everyone's opinion on the net. wink

Looking forward to seeing you December in Tampa and Orlando.

Susan  smile

"Listen to the melody cause my love is in there hiding"

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Joe,

I feel that Sloe Gin shows a level of maturity over the previous releases. That does not mean that one is better than the others. Sloe Gin is a unique masterpiece as are all of your previous works.

There is not much more that I could say that would be different from what anyone else has posted. With other artists, I ususally purchase a CD because of a song that I heard. I get it home and give it a listen, only to find it was a waste of money because there was only one good song. I have yet to encounter a CD of yours that falls into that situation. I love them all because they are all different.

I love the fact that you do not give in to the record industry's "we must categorize you and don't step out of that box" syndrome. Why do we feel the need to categorize music anyway? Enjoy the music for how it makes you feel. Who cares if it is blues/rock or rock with a touch of blues. I like country music sometimes, but some of what I have heard lately seems to be a bit rock based. Is the same thing happening in country music? Are there "country purists" saying that the songs are not sad enough, that the man/woman hasn't left enough times/ been drunk enough?  I am hearning spoken word and rhyming. Big and Rich is at the opposit end of Ronnie Millsap and the Oak Ridge Boys.  It sounds to me like country is going a bit pop/rock.

Personally, some on the forum may agree or disagree with me, and that is fine, I would love to see you do a CD in the following style or influence (trying to not use the term genre here!). You have so much talent and can play any style; please explore your talents!

A traditional delta/ New Orleans style blues CD, a lot of slide guitar, raw vocals and acoustic. Sort of in the style of R.L. Burnside / Junior Kimbrough and other Fat Possum artists. This would be a great showcase piece. Maybe not a top selling CD, but something that would also be a great piece for the local PBS station or "Unplugged" programs. Show everyone the barebones of your blues influences. Your vocals have matured so much over the past several years that I think this would be a gem! The purists would also be satisfied. 

A country style CD. I love Revenge of the 10 Gallon Hat and would like to hear more. Your slide guitar work would be a natural fit....but please don't sing or talk all twangy! lol Richmond and a couple other songs you have indicate a curiosity in this direction. Go for it!

A "Bluesitutde" Get in your face style CD. Burning Hell meets a bit of "Aunt Kizzy's Boyz" a raw, tell it like it is, with bit of spoken word, or get a bit funky! Everyone in the band wear shades and we have us some "Blues Brothas" smile Someone mentioned some horns...a perfect CD for this!

Anyway, throw all those genres into the blender and hit a few of those buttons! See what comes out, explore it all, AND HAVE FUN! Never give in because it is what someone else wants. It is not worth it if you are not having fun! smile smile

From a very early age, you have sacrificed having a "normal" life to share your talent with us all over the world. For that gift to us I thank you. Stay strong, stay true to yourself, and stay healthy...... smile 

Play it and we will come.........

~Rhonda

P.S. .......love the new sophisticated threads......makes for much better and interesting photos!
.......Thats the word I have been looking for........Sloe Gin is SOPHISTICATED! smile

"I don't think obsessions have reasons, that's why they're obsessions....National Geographic likes their pictures in focus..." Robert Kincaid

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Hey Joe...From everyone that you have touched with your music in the Dayton, OH area, we love Sloe Gin...I personally cannot play it enough...I can even strum the chords to Richmond and Seagull...It was like waiting for two Christmas gifts, the release of Sloe Gin followed by your concert at the Fraze...Ask the 4,300 that you packed into the Fraze whether or not they liked the new songs...I'm seeing you and the band again at the Cleveland HOB...I hope that you do all of the new songs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Joe, I have seen you mature over the past 5 years into one of the most loved and anticipated performers in a long, long time...Take on the energy of your thousands of fans on the road...Not a few critics that are not open to change...Go for it my friend...You are on the right path...

The Other Joe B.

It's a new dawn, it's a new day, it's a new life for me...and, I'm feelin good

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Joe I was just thinking about this......you're still in Colorado right? Are you getting headaches, are you light headed? This is nothing more than a case of delusional altitude sickness and will soon pass....come off the mountain young blues slinger..........

You are loved! smile:):):):):):):):):):)

~Rhonda

"I don't think obsessions have reasons, that's why they're obsessions....National Geographic likes their pictures in focus..." Robert Kincaid

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SMILE JOE BONAMASSA   I just ate your face on my birthday cake!!!!!!!!   smile smile smile smile smile smile smile smile
                                                                      Patty

"I'm not nice to any guitar!"      lol
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Joe ,getting a little late in on this thread .my thoughts, I love the blistering blues guitar as much as anyone,however as I have listened to Sloe Gin I will say I absolutely love it.Love the direction you"ve gone with it.Still love the earlier work and wouldnt want it abandoned completely. I say follow your instincts.You have already put out such a great body of work at such a young age.keep the blues alive,keep rockin, and add whatever you like to the mix,you have"nt missed on anything you have done. Just remmember your music means the world to 99% of your forum members and who knows how many people you reach with your gift. I personally have been going through some very tough times right now and there are times I wonder how I am going to make it through.But when I put on your music Sloe Gin too, it helps me keep going. another thought,seemed back in 69 alot of critics[Rolling Stone] thought Led Zeppelin wasnt anything special.

Your rock candy baby
Your hard sweet and sticky

36 (edited by Rocket 2007-09-17 11:25:46)

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Chill Joe! Regarding music and critics, why worry? If they aren't poking you and aren't busting you, you'd have to seriously worry.

Joe, what I honestly expect out of you, is that you discover that you can never do better than follow all the personal ideals that the concept of Freedom stirs within you. I want you to aspire to always seek joyfully (or as close to happily as decently possible when you wonder about deeper things that may perplex your soul temporarily from time-to-time) the visions and hopes which the American Dream conjure up for you.       

Is there room for growth in the blues? Absolutely, just take a backward look and you know it.  You yourself said about some older blues legends in an article, (paraphrasing, sorry) "I'm thinking, I'm supposed to be digging these guys, but I'm not", followed by picking up the trail somewhere along John Mayall and the Bluesbreakers & other British translators way helped you (again paraphrasing, sorry) "get it".  Update away Joe!!!
Your albums, especially since Blues Deluxe, are ALL growth.  And not just YOUR personal growth!
Making a Blues Deluxe Deux or Trace (sic) should be something you can always do WHEN YOU WANT or if you simply feel the urge. An analogy is like bunting in baseball, so what if it's not "growth" (who's to say, actually) it's still getting on base as needed and basic game strategy. Cut some logs manually with that axe before you whittle out a hand-crafted masterful carving.  After all, with your schedule, you need to practice Preachin' the Old Testament Blues Hour time to time (and record them) to get to / keep the gospel of the forward looking (someone's review comment of Sloe Gin on Amazon, nicely stated I thought) Blues, and give all music a nice breath of Cool fresh air in a globally over-heated (by lots of hot air, not all of it from machines) world.

Rock On & Keep the Faith Brother, wink
Rocket

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