Topic: It's called growth

I've been reading the posts about the various opinions about Sloe Gin (and You and Me I suppose) and the new textures Kevin Shirley is bringing to Joe's gift. With some fresh perspective I have to weigh in. I just got home from seeing Joe at The Rib America Festival in Indianapolis. It's the 5th show in just under three years. Each time has been awesome and different but not always a progression. The first two with Eric and Kenny were about the same, phenomenal guitar playing and soulful vocals set in a very talented trio that sometimes seemed more like three accomplished players playing together than a band with a singular vision. The raw power-trio textures of the CDs were well represented.

The first show with Bogie and Mark seemed a progression in that there was a clearer focus on Joe's gift being supported by two other great players--more of a band feel. But, the genius (IMO) of You and Me and it's richly textured instrumentation was missing.

Friends, run, don't walk, to the neartest Joe show and be prepared to be blown away all over again. The new band does to the live shows what Kevin Shirley's production does for Joe's vision--it enriches Joe's gift by providing a multi-textured setting that simply shows off Joe's artistic potential in greater detail. Carmine brings out the best of Bogie and I suspect vice versa. They clearly communicate with each other and provide a foundation that is both rock solid and quickly adaptable. Rick's keyboards create subtle soundscapes that seem to release Joe to further explore his range as a singer and guitar player, if that's possible. The result is a  more complex artist presenting blues in a setting that is no less visceral and powerful but much more nuanced. (Oh my gosh, I hope I don't sound like some sort of jack-leg critic.) BTW, if you're concerned about the shows not featuring Joe's brilliant playing, relax. There are still those same stunning moments when you just have to shake your head and say, "Wow." There are also some cool twists, stunning acoustic versions of "If Heartaches Were Nickles," and "High Water Everywhere." The live version of "So many Roads" is worth the price of admission alone.

What I saw in Indy was not a boy-wonder prodigy trying to find a forum for his skills. I saw a mature blues man who seems to know exactly where he wants to go and has found the team to get him there. Joe is continuing to grow as an artist and this new offering is expanding into uncharted territory for a blues artist. Anyone who doesn't get it either doesn't want to or just hasn't opened up their mind to the possibilities like Joe has. 

I just turned 54 and have been going to concerts since I was 12. Let me take a deep breath and say that what I saw in Indy is the best I have ever seen, emotionally draining and totally fulfilling. It was the confluence of talent, skill, vision, and maturity. Joe is growing. I don't know about you, but I'm going to try to keep up because I can't wait to see where he goes next.

Blessings,
Larry

"...play skillfully and shout for joy." Psalm 33:3b (honest, it really says that)

2 (edited by suhl 2007-09-04 17:46:37)

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i see your point, was at the show in indy and loved it, but i have to say growth or not i could do without the soft rock tracks, just my two cents, i know few here agree with me but i prefer his earlier stuff to things like richmond, seagull, around the bend, etc.  in my opinion you can get tracks like that from many different people, you want so many roads you cant get that from anyone but bonamassa.  my humble opinion.  and also in my humble opinion eric czar was a better bass player, though this other guy is far from bad

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fCdNsm7gvu8

If wine and pills were hundred dollar bills
I might keep you satisfied

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Hey Guys, Glad you are all enjoying the shows and dig the record as well. I love the record and have a blast playing it live. It has been very cool seeing the growth of Joe's career since I've been with him. I started with him in Dec of 05 and we were in clubs and the occasional theater. Now we are in mostly theaters with the occasional club. The Festivals have been mind blowing(see the North Sea Jazz Videos) for me and playing with these guys gets better and better all the time. I must add this to all Eric and Kenny fans. They Were Great Players, period. I take nothing away from them or what they did. I do my best to play Kenny's parts on the songs he played while still putting in my own feelings of what I feel is right for the songs. I do the same with Jason Bonham's parts. I do the same with Anton Fig's parts. I love their playing and it's fun to play what they played. Now am I better? Please, let's just leave the judgements at the door. Some of us have bigger better resumes, experience, lineage, whatever. Kenny played how Kenny played, it's great. Bonham played how Bonham played, also great. Anton played how Anton played and guess what, yep, it's great. I do my best to be the best I can be, honestly, for me, each night. I know if I've played my best, it's great and guess what else...  it's all I can do. I understand preferences and so on, but again I ask you to realize that you're comparing people, who are as individualistic as their fingerprints, and at the end of the day, comparing people is futile.

Bogie

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Great post and well said Bogie!

Can we put this issue to bed now? It is getting a little old.

See you Friday in Springfield Bogie! smile

~Rhonda

"I don't think obsessions have reasons, that's why they're obsessions....National Geographic likes their pictures in focus..." Robert Kincaid

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That was beautifully stated, Larry.      BOGIE..YOU ROCK!!   Watching you guys interact is a pleasure. It's also clear you are all having fun. Your talent is beyond question or you wouldn't be there. There's always going to be those people........Cathy

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Thank you Bogie.

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Bogie, you don't have to validate anything you do as far as I'm concerned. You're a solid backbone to a very solid band behind an incredible talent. It just keeps getting better with time. My NorCal friends and I are countin' down the days to the SF show, finally right in the City at what a friend of mine who worked for Bill Graham for 30 years says is the nicest venue in SF. It's gonna be a great night. See you there.

                                                                                              16 Days and Counting,

                                                                                              J Dawg

What is success? Is it do yo' own thang, or is it to join the rest?   -Allen Toussaint

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Hey Guys,
Yall are all so nice and supportive and I really appreciate it. I just want to clarify that I'm NOT justifying what I do or what I don't do. I'm simply sharing with you all the way I work so maybe you get an understanding of how the whole new guy to band thing goes down, even though I'm the guy with the seniority now haha. It's funny, really, that we actually spend time talking/typing about this stuff to me. It all comes from individual opinions and taste and everybody has and deserves their own, I just get a little put off by the phrase "better than" or "worse than" because I'm a sensitive artist type lol. Again I'm glad you are all so supportive of Joe and his career and the live shows and everything. Remember the more we do this, the less danger I'm in of delivering a pizza.

Take Care,

Bogie

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bogie wrote:

Hey Guys, Glad you are all enjoying the shows and dig the record as well. I love the record and have a blast playing it live. It has been very cool seeing the growth of Joe's career since I've been with him. I started with him in Dec of 05 and we were in clubs and the occasional theater. Now we are in mostly theaters with the occasional club. The Festivals have been mind blowing(see the North Sea Jazz Videos) for me and playing with these guys gets better and better all the time. I must add this to all Eric and Kenny fans. They Were Great Players, period. I take nothing away from them or what they did. I do my best to play Kenny's parts on the songs he played while still putting in my own feelings of what I feel is right for the songs. I do the same with Jason Bonham's parts. I do the same with Anton Fig's parts. I love their playing and it's fun to play what they played. Now am I better? Please, let's just leave the judgements at the door. Some of us have bigger better resumes, experience, lineage, whatever. Kenny played how Kenny played, it's great. Bonham played how Bonham played, also great. Anton played how Anton played and guess what, yep, it's great. I do my best to be the best I can be, honestly, for me, each night. I know if I've played my best, it's great and guess what else...  it's all I can do. I understand preferences and so on, but again I ask you to realize that you're comparing people, who are as individualistic as their fingerprints, and at the end of the day, comparing people is futile.

Bogie

Wow! How did I end up here? I was just on dictionary.com looking up the phrase "Class Act" and there was a link that directed me to Bogie's post. Truly remarkable.

I have always been impressed by Bogie's past offerings here (click on his name and then click on "Show all posts") but this one should be accompanied by fireworks and a standing ovation. After nearly 2 years of lingering E&K posts, and being excluded from most of the Sloe Gin CD, Bogie continues to demonstrate nothing but class and professionalism. My hat is off to you, sir - much respect!

Since we're discussing Sloe Gin in this thread, I might as well share my thoughts. It's an outstanding record. Well concieved, well performed, and well produced. Yes it's a little different, and hinting (in places) that a slight move towards Adult Contemporary might be taking place.

Fear not! It's just a record, not a proclamation of things to come. Just one of the many faces of Joe and his music. We should enjoy it for what it is.

I will however offer this opinion. The fact that Sloe Gin is Joe's fastest selling CD to date, and 2nd straight record to debut at #1, is not necessarily a reflection of the material on the CD. I feel that Joe's work ethic, tour schedule, growing media coverage and international following, ever-expanding word of mouth, street team efforts and increasing airplay are largely responsible. The fact is, more people are learning about Joe and his music. I believe with every fiber of my being that if Blues Deluxe or Had To Cry Today or even So It's Like That had never been released before, and was released today, then THAT record would be Joe's biggest and fastest selling record to date.

I offer this only after reading a quote (I forget where) where Joe mentioned in an interview or something that You and Me had been his biggest selling record to date...and because of that, and all the new fans coming onboard, that he didn't want to change directions on them too much. That's cool, but I hope us "Old" fans don't get lost in the mix smile

And yes, as a matter of fact I DID tell someone about Joe Bonamassa today!

10 (edited by suhl 2007-09-05 08:33:31)

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hey bogie you were spot on with tea for one for having never had a real rehearsal with it or played it as a band before.  great work!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fCdNsm7gvu8

If wine and pills were hundred dollar bills
I might keep you satisfied

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Bogie, well founded words for sure.  As Stu said you are a class act and your not trying to be anybody else but you!  That is all that we could ask for.  Kenny and Eric are great musicans but that is in the past, now is now!  You are a very important part of the band and Joe has always surrounded himself with great musicans to compliment his playing.  You rock Tar Heel..

Stu made a very interesting point about how Sloe Gin is selling compared to earlier albums:
"The fact that Sloe Gin is Joe's fastest selling CD to date, and 2nd straight record to debut at #1, is not necessarily a reflection of the material on the CD. I feel that Joe's work ethic, tour schedule, growing media coverage and international following, ever-expanding word of mouth, street team efforts and increasing airplay are largely responsible. The fact is, more people are learning about Joe and his music. I believe with every fiber of my being that if Blues Deluxe or Had To Cry Today or even So It's Like That had never been released before, and was released today, then THAT record would be Joe's biggest and fastest selling record to date."

The fan base is indeed growing and more and more people should be buying his CDs and they are!  Growth is good!!!

Music is good for the Soul...

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Oh Man, now I can't get the image of Bogie as a pizza delivery guy out of my head. May have to mug the Domino's boy before my next show.Hummmm.......

13 (edited by Rocket 2007-09-05 10:38:00)

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Excellency in wordsmithing and idea promulgation. OR, I couldn'ta said it better!  Nicely stated my friend!

Rock On & Keep the Faith,
Rocket

larryt wrote:

I've been reading the posts about the various opinions about Sloe Gin (and You and Me I suppose) and the new textures Kevin Shirley is bringing to Joe's gift. With some fresh perspective I have to weigh in. I just got home from seeing Joe at The Rib America Festival in Indianapolis. It's the 5th show in just under three years. Each time has been awesome and different but not always a progression. The first two with Eric and Kenny were about the same, phenomenal guitar playing and soulful vocals set in a very talented trio that sometimes seemed more like three accomplished players playing together than a band with a singular vision. The raw power-trio textures of the CDs were well represented.

The first show with Bogie and Mark seemed a progression in that there was a clearer focus on Joe's gift being supported by two other great players--more of a band feel. But, the genius (IMO) of You and Me and it's richly textured instrumentation was missing.

Friends, run, don't walk, to the neartest Joe show and be prepared to be blown away all over again. The new band does to the live shows what Kevin Shirley's production does for Joe's vision--it enriches Joe's gift by providing a multi-textured setting that simply shows off Joe's artistic potential in greater detail. Carmine brings out the best of Bogie and I suspect vice versa. They clearly communicate with each other and provide a foundation that is both rock solid and quickly adaptable. Rick's keyboards create subtle soundscapes that seem to release Joe to further explore his range as a singer and guitar player, if that's possible. The result is a  more complex artist presenting blues in a setting that is no less visceral and powerful but much more nuanced. (Oh my gosh, I hope I don't sound like some sort of jack-leg critic.) BTW, if you're concerned about the shows not featuring Joe's brilliant playing, relax. There are still those same stunning moments when you just have to shake your head and say, "Wow." There are also some cool twists, stunning acoustic versions of "If Heartaches Were Nickles," and "High Water Everywhere." The live version of "So many Roads" is worth the price of admission alone.

What I saw in Indy was not a boy-wonder prodigy trying to find a forum for his skills. I saw a mature blues man who seems to know exactly where he wants to go and has found the team to get him there. Joe is continuing to grow as an artist and this new offering is expanding into uncharted territory for a blues artist. Anyone who doesn't get it either doesn't want to or just hasn't opened up their mind to the possibilities like Joe has. 

I just turned 54 and have been going to concerts since I was 12. Let me take a deep breath and say that what I saw in Indy is the best I have ever seen, emotionally draining and totally fulfilling. It was the confluence of talent, skill, vision, and maturity. Joe is growing. I don't know about you, but I'm going to try to keep up because I can't wait to see where he goes next.

Blessings,
Larry

"He still doesn't charge for mistakes! wink"
http://jbonamassa.com/tour-dates/
"Everybody wants ta get inta the act!"
“Now, this isn’t your ordinary party crowd, here.  I mean, there are professionals in here.”

14 (edited by Rocket 2007-09-06 00:20:40)

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Stu, love you! I'd been pondering for a week how to say almost everything you just did, and your clarity has always been so much better than-oooopps Bogie, I mean Stu your best that you can do always satisfies me exactly how I want the best I can do to satisfy others. The momentum has taken hold, so lookout, Joe Bonamassa is rolling in!  The best qualifier anyone can give Joe's body of work is "SO FAR".  You cannot accuse him of stagnation of any sort.  That alone is worthwhile for a musical nut like me.  Yeah LarryT, it's called growth! Right on!

Rock On & Keep the Faith,
Rocket
P.S. ME TOO..."And yes, as a matter of fact I DID tell someone about Joe Bonamassa today"!!! Twice!

Stu Craig wrote:
bogie wrote:

Hey Guys, Glad you are all enjoying the shows and dig the record as well. I love the record and have a blast playing it live. It has been very cool seeing the growth of Joe's career since I've been with him. I started with him in Dec of 05 and we were in clubs and the occasional theater. Now we are in mostly theaters with the occasional club. The Festivals have been mind blowing(see the North Sea Jazz Videos) for me and playing with these guys gets better and better all the time. I must add this to all Eric and Kenny fans. They Were Great Players, period. I take nothing away from them or what they did. I do my best to play Kenny's parts on the songs he played while still putting in my own feelings of what I feel is right for the songs. I do the same with Jason Bonham's parts. I do the same with Anton Fig's parts. I love their playing and it's fun to play what they played. Now am I better? Please, let's just leave the judgements at the door. Some of us have bigger better resumes, experience, lineage, whatever. Kenny played how Kenny played, it's great. Bonham played how Bonham played, also great. Anton played how Anton played and guess what, yep, it's great. I do my best to be the best I can be, honestly, for me, each night. I know if I've played my best, it's great and guess what else...  it's all I can do. I understand preferences and so on, but again I ask you to realize that you're comparing people, who are as individualistic as their fingerprints, and at the end of the day, comparing people is futile.

Bogie

Wow! How did I end up here? I was just on dictionary.com looking up the phrase "Class Act" and there was a link that directed me to Bogie's post. Truly remarkable.

I have always been impressed by Bogie's past offerings here (click on his name and then click on "Show all posts") but this one should be accompanied by fireworks and a standing ovation. After nearly 2 years of lingering E&K posts, and being excluded from most of the Sloe Gin CD, Bogie continues to demonstrate nothing but class and professionalism. My hat is off to you, sir - much respect!

Since we're discussing Sloe Gin in this thread, I might as well share my thoughts. It's an outstanding record. Well concieved, well performed, and well produced. Yes it's a little different, and hinting (in places) that a slight move towards Adult Contemporary might be taking place.

Fear not! It's just a record, not a proclamation of things to come. Just one of the many faces of Joe and his music. We should enjoy it for what it is.

I will however offer this opinion. The fact that Sloe Gin is Joe's fastest selling CD to date, and 2nd straight record to debut at #1, is not necessarily a reflection of the material on the CD. I feel that Joe's work ethic, tour schedule, growing media coverage and international following, ever-expanding word of mouth, street team efforts and increasing airplay are largely responsible. The fact is, more people are learning about Joe and his music. I believe with every fiber of my being that if Blues Deluxe or Had To Cry Today or even So It's Like That had never been released before, and was released today, then THAT record would be Joe's biggest and fastest selling record to date.

I offer this only after reading a quote (I forget where) where Joe mentioned in an interview or something that You and Me had been his biggest selling record to date...and because of that, and all the new fans coming onboard, that he didn't want to change directions on them too much. That's cool, but I hope us "Old" fans don't get lost in the mix smile

And yes, as a matter of fact I DID tell someone about Joe Bonamassa today!

"He still doesn't charge for mistakes! wink"
http://jbonamassa.com/tour-dates/
"Everybody wants ta get inta the act!"
“Now, this isn’t your ordinary party crowd, here.  I mean, there are professionals in here.”

15 (edited by Rocket 2007-09-05 11:03:24)

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Unless we're talking sports!!!  lol Rock On!

bogie wrote:

Hey Guys, Glad you are all enjoying the shows and dig the record as well. I love the record and have a blast playing it live. It has been very cool seeing the growth of Joe's career since I've been with him. I started with him in Dec of 05 and we were in clubs and the occasional theater. Now we are in mostly theaters with the occasional club. The Festivals have been mind blowing(see the North Sea Jazz Videos) for me and playing with these guys gets better and better all the time. I must add this to all Eric and Kenny fans. They Were Great Players, period. I take nothing away from them or what they did. I do my best to play Kenny's parts on the songs he played while still putting in my own feelings of what I feel is right for the songs. I do the same with Jason Bonham's parts. I do the same with Anton Fig's parts. I love their playing and it's fun to play what they played. Now am I better? Please, let's just leave the judgements at the door. Some of us have bigger better resumes, experience, lineage, whatever. Kenny played how Kenny played, it's great. Bonham played how Bonham played, also great. Anton played how Anton played and guess what, yep, it's great. I do my best to be the best I can be, honestly, for me, each night. I know if I've played my best, it's great and guess what else...  it's all I can do. I understand preferences and so on, but again I ask you to realize that you're comparing people, who are as individualistic as their fingerprints, and at the end of the day, comparing people is futile.

Bogie

"He still doesn't charge for mistakes! wink"
http://jbonamassa.com/tour-dates/
"Everybody wants ta get inta the act!"
“Now, this isn’t your ordinary party crowd, here.  I mean, there are professionals in here.”

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larryt wrote:

I've been reading the posts about the various opinions about Sloe Gin (and You and Me I suppose) and the new textures Kevin Shirley is bringing to Joe's gift. With some fresh perspective I have to weigh in. I just got home from seeing Joe at The Rib America Festival in Indianapolis. It's the 5th show in just under three years. Each time has been awesome and different but not always a progression. The first two with Eric and Kenny were about the same, phenomenal guitar playing and soulful vocals set in a very talented trio that sometimes seemed more like three accomplished players playing together than a band with a singular vision. The raw power-trio textures of the CDs were well represented.

The first show with Bogie and Mark seemed a progression in that there was a clearer focus on Joe's gift being supported by two other great players--more of a band feel. But, the genius (IMO) of You and Me and it's richly textured instrumentation was missing.

Friends, run, don't walk, to the neartest Joe show and be prepared to be blown away all over again. The new band does to the live shows what Kevin Shirley's production does for Joe's vision--it enriches Joe's gift by providing a multi-textured setting that simply shows off Joe's artistic potential in greater detail. Carmine brings out the best of Bogie and I suspect vice versa. They clearly communicate with each other and provide a foundation that is both rock solid and quickly adaptable. Rick's keyboards create subtle soundscapes that seem to release Joe to further explore his range as a singer and guitar player, if that's possible. The result is a  more complex artist presenting blues in a setting that is no less visceral and powerful but much more nuanced. (Oh my gosh, I hope I don't sound like some sort of jack-leg critic.) BTW, if you're concerned about the shows not featuring Joe's brilliant playing, relax. There are still those same stunning moments when you just have to shake your head and say, "Wow." There are also some cool twists, stunning acoustic versions of "If Heartaches Were Nickles," and "High Water Everywhere." The live version of "So many Roads" is worth the price of admission alone.

What I saw in Indy was not a boy-wonder prodigy trying to find a forum for his skills. I saw a mature blues man who seems to know exactly where he wants to go and has found the team to get him there. Joe is continuing to grow as an artist and this new offering is expanding into uncharted territory for a blues artist. Anyone who doesn't get it either doesn't want to or just hasn't opened up their mind to the possibilities like Joe has. 

I just turned 54 and have been going to concerts since I was 12. Let me take a deep breath and say that what I saw in Indy is the best I have ever seen, emotionally draining and totally fulfilling. It was the confluence of talent, skill, vision, and maturity. Joe is growing. I don't know about you, but I'm going to try to keep up because I can't wait to see where he goes next.

Blessings,
Larry

My point exactly. Wherever the Bonamassa ride goes, I'm on board.

I'm just saying.

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I've seen Joe probably about 7 times live, and this last performance in Indy was the best IMO. Gave me goosebumps multiple times. You can't help but smile when you see someone reaching their potential and doing what they were BORN to do. The collection of talent on that stage was incredible. It's also always fun to see people dropping their jaws as the guys do their thing up on stage. The show was amazing, and I'd say that the keyboards added a really cool effect. I liked what Rick brought to the stage. I'm a big Bogie fan, I loved Kenny too. I used to be a drummer...Bogie if you're still checking this your solo in Indy was AMAZING!!!! I just think it's cool that these guys have such good chemistry and can come together as a special unit, but when you break them down and they're on their own doing solos they're just as impressive.

On a side note I saw LD Miller after the show. Gave him my pen when someone wanted him to sign something. Really nice kid (haha I'm calling someone kid and I'm 20). I asked why he didn't get on stage and play, he said he couldn't get a hold of Joe. Looked pretty bummed. Would've been even cooler if LD had played because we would have had the rare treat of Joe/LD and Joe/Doug Henthorn. Fun stuff...maybe when he comes to Ball St. on Oct. 30.

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Hey Bogie

Saw you at Holmfirth and it was just awesome
Best gig ive seen in 20 years

Left me stunned

Thanks Bogie

Ian