Topic: Suggestions on getting a guitar refretted.

I've got a Stratocaster that I love dearly but its clear its was the guitar I learned on.  The first 5 frets have huge dings in them from where I pressed too hard while I was learning how to play.  If it wasn't for the fact that this guitar is so sentimental to me I would just shelf it or buy a new neck.  However  neck feels like home and I couldn't do away with this neck.  Everywhere I looked online says they will do a refret for $250, $300, and last $450!  For those prices I could buy a nice warmoth neck, or better yet an ebay guitar of the same make and year.  I don't mind spending a little bit but I would hate to have a refret job for the same price as a used American Standard.  HELP~!

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Personally, when it's time to refret any of my older guitars I'm going stainless steel.  It's about $100- $150 more, but sooooo worth it.  I'm never going back.

Prices vary depending on the area, the specific shop and of course the fretwire material.  Around here (Orlando, FL @ Guitar Factory) a full refret w/ nickel will be about $250, stainless around $400.  A friend of mine had his Jem refretted w/ stainless for $350, but his wife is a great negotiator. smile  You can also see if they only need to replace the worn frets.  If all the wear is on the first 5 frets and the others are fine, then maybe you can just get those replaced for a lot less.

If you really love the guitar, I'd get a refret.  I'd also see if a level & crown will do the job - I got a strat done earlier this year for about $80 and it plays great now. Much cheaper than a full refret, and sometimes that's all you need.  I had another one my strats refretted a for between $200 and $250, I forget but it was worth it.  I thought about getting a new neck for that, too, but the refret was cheaper and I liked the neck a lot.

I would hate to have a refret job for the same price as a used American Standard.

Sure, but then you have one (somewhat) unplayable guitar and one you may or may not like that much.  Is that what you really want?  I'm not judging one way or another, there are pros and cons.  Personally I would rather have fewer guitars that play and sound amazing than a closet full of guitars I rarely use because one thing or another isn't quite right.

Good luck!

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But at $400 I could get a neck of my dreams from Warmoth which would have SS frets.  Quarter sawn the works!  Its possible that a couple of frets need to be replaced but the rest could be leveled and crowned.  I just figured if I was going to the trouble of have some done I might as well do them all.  I'm also considering buying this and doing it myself. http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Fretting_su … g_Kit.html It would be nice to do its just a matter of it would take longer for the guitar to be finished because I'd have to practice on a spare cheap neck I have.

Re: Suggestions on getting a guitar refretted.

Only you can answer this question. Is the neck and real player and are you attached to it. If so then a refret is the only option. If not then the choice is yours.

AD3THREE wrote:

But at $400 I could get a neck of my dreams from Warmoth which would have SS frets.  Quarter sawn the works!  Its possible that a couple of frets need to be replaced but the rest could be leveled and crowned.  I just figured if I was going to the trouble of have some done I might as well do them all.  I'm also considering buying this and doing it myself. http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Fretting_su … g_Kit.html It would be nice to do its just a matter of it would take longer for the guitar to be finished because I'd have to practice on a spare cheap neck I have.

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If it were me, I would get the refret.  A new neck, like a new pair of shoes, takes time to break in so, for me, it just wouldn't feel the same.

P.S.  Straight Frets in Austin TX is a great place to get this type of work.  Tell Danny that Jeff sent you.

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But at $400 I could get a neck of my dreams from Warmoth which would have SS frets.

Wow, that's a lot cheaper than I remember.  Might be worth a shot.  On the other hand, don't you love the current neck?  What about the current neck makes it not the neck of your dreams?  If you like it but you're not *totally* happy, maybe it's worth trying a Warmoth neck to get it perfect.

Not sure if you've played SS frets before.  If not, I should add the caveat that some people don't like them.  Personally, I think they're the greatest thing since sliced bread, but I can understand that some folks don't like the feel.  Before dishing out the extra money you might want to try them out (find a Suhr or EVH dealer).

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Its just a standard C with a 9.5 radius.  There is nothing special about the neck.  I've bolted it to other strats thinking the mojo of it was in the body, but I always played the guitar with this neck.  It feels like home to me.  The head stock is cracked but I've patched that.  Fret 7 on the board has a huge ding on the board but you never notice it while your playing. 

As far as a dream neck I just have always wanted a quarter sawn neck.  They are stronger, I love the way the grain loons on them, and I believe they have a snapier sound but I might be crazy.  The Stainless Steel frets is the fact I want to have a tough neck that keeps perfect intonation.  I don't like it when you play one for a while and the frets wear slightly.  I've had my neck recrowned before and it always seems to get flat spots within a couple of months of playing.  I've never tried SS frets but I've heard tons of people who express who smooth they feel when they are crowned and polished.  EVH said once that he went could go through guitars in about a week with the finger taps and all.  In 2007 he did an entire tour with the same 3 Wolfgangs because they had stainless steel frets.  He said he can't hear a tonal difference and I believe I my ears are not good enough to notice any difference either.  If it is I'll adjust for it.

I'm trying to get a quote for these guys http://www.danerlewine.com/guitar_repairs.html I asked for a quote for SS frets, glued in, and a setup.  If I'm going to spend a fortune on this guitar its going to be with the best guy in the business.  I'm expecting it to cost $600 with shipping.  But I'll never have a problem again with the intonation smile

ZeyerGTR wrote:

But at $400 I could get a neck of my dreams from Warmoth which would have SS frets.

Wow, that's a lot cheaper than I remember.  Might be worth a shot.  On the other hand, don't you love the current neck?  What about the current neck makes it not the neck of your dreams?  If you like it but you're not *totally* happy, maybe it's worth trying a Warmoth neck to get it perfect.

Not sure if you've played SS frets before.  If not, I should add the caveat that some people don't like them.  Personally, I think they're the greatest thing since sliced bread, but I can understand that some folks don't like the feel.  Before dishing out the extra money you might want to try them out (find a Suhr or EVH dealer).

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Ouch $800 to get what I want done by Dan Erlwine shop and Dan Erlwine isn't even going to touch it.  I think I'll pass on him.  I think I'm just going to look into a warmoth neck or replacing the guitar all together in a few more years.

AD3THREE wrote:

Its just a standard C with a 9.5 radius.  There is nothing special about the neck.  I've bolted it to other strats thinking the mojo of it was in the body, but I always played the guitar with this neck.  It feels like home to me.  The head stock is cracked but I've patched that.  Fret 7 on the board has a huge ding on the board but you never notice it while your playing. 

As far as a dream neck I just have always wanted a quarter sawn neck.  They are stronger, I love the way the grain loons on them, and I believe they have a snapier sound but I might be crazy.  The Stainless Steel frets is the fact I want to have a tough neck that keeps perfect intonation.  I don't like it when you play one for a while and the frets wear slightly.  I've had my neck recrowned before and it always seems to get flat spots within a couple of months of playing.  I've never tried SS frets but I've heard tons of people who express who smooth they feel when they are crowned and polished.  EVH said once that he went could go through guitars in about a week with the finger taps and all.  In 2007 he did an entire tour with the same 3 Wolfgangs because they had stainless steel frets.  He said he can't hear a tonal difference and I believe I my ears are not good enough to notice any difference either.  If it is I'll adjust for it.

I'm trying to get a quote for these guys http://www.danerlewine.com/guitar_repairs.html I asked for a quote for SS frets, glued in, and a setup.  If I'm going to spend a fortune on this guitar its going to be with the best guy in the business.  I'm expecting it to cost $600 with shipping.  But I'll never have a problem again with the intonation smile

ZeyerGTR wrote:

But at $400 I could get a neck of my dreams from Warmoth which would have SS frets.

Wow, that's a lot cheaper than I remember.  Might be worth a shot.  On the other hand, don't you love the current neck?  What about the current neck makes it not the neck of your dreams?  If you like it but you're not *totally* happy, maybe it's worth trying a Warmoth neck to get it perfect.

Not sure if you've played SS frets before.  If not, I should add the caveat that some people don't like them.  Personally, I think they're the greatest thing since sliced bread, but I can understand that some folks don't like the feel.  Before dishing out the extra money you might want to try them out (find a Suhr or EVH dealer).

Re: Suggestions on getting a guitar refretted.

Check out Buzzy Feiten (sp) stuff.
http://www.buzzfeiten.com/
might see sumpn dere.

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Re: Suggestions on getting a guitar refretted.

it sounds like you want the new neck based on your comments....and of course, thats your choice.

but my experience indicates that 95% of the time someone believes they need new frets can actually be corrected with a fret dressing (leveling and crown). and at a fraction of the cost if you outsource it.....however, if you own  several guitars as some folks do then you can invest in the tools you need to do the work yourself and pay about the same to own the correct tools or a little more than you would pay someone to do one guitar for you.

it's very easy to do and if you go slow and take your time you will be amazed and extremely satisfied with the results you can achieve.

give a man a fish and eats for a day.....teach a man to fish and eats for a lifetime......lol

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If it's just dinged up, you don't need a refret... just a fret dress. They'll re-crown all the frets and take the divots out. Very normal, and shouldn't cost more than $120. Most places around WI only charge $40-60.

You can buy fret dressing tools yourself at StewMac.

The super expensive refret jobs come from re-radius'ing the fretboard... cheaper refrets don't do this.

In any guitar cheap or expensive... I'm finding the fretwork is one of (if not THE) most import things on a guitar. How they feel, how they were installed, the level of the frets, no low spots, etc... the good guys that do this charge accordingly and you will tell a difference. The fretwork is everything, and you pay for what you get. IMHO

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Great points.  I'm thinking I'll wait a year or so, its nothing I need done now.  Then I might consider buying some of the tools to do the job myself.  Just don't feel like burning the money on something like that when I got other guitars that are usable...  that being said I'm still gigging with this guitar so its not like the is not usable.  I am just wondering if I did it how much better it would play and sound.

NPB_EST.1979 wrote:

If it's just dinged up, you don't need a refret... just a fret dress. They'll re-crown all the frets and take the divots out. Very normal, and shouldn't cost more than $120. Most places around WI only charge $40-60.

You can buy fret dressing tools yourself at StewMac.

The super expensive refret jobs come from re-radius'ing the fretboard... cheaper refrets don't do this.

In any guitar cheap or expensive... I'm finding the fretwork is one of (if not THE) most import things on a guitar. How they feel, how they were installed, the level of the frets, no low spots, etc... the good guys that do this charge accordingly and you will tell a difference. The fretwork is everything, and you pay for what you get. IMHO

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Do the frets buzz or are they just unsightly?

I had my LP pleck'd because the frets made it impossible to set up but my strat that has worse divots plays just fine so I have left it.

Also fitting the frets yourself but getting a pro to dress them might be an option...

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The guitar has jumbo frets on it.  The biggest problem I see with it is I've had the guitar recrowned twice maybe out of the 11 years I've owned it.  It seems to me that jumbo frets make it easy to bend strings but when the frets wear they have rather large flat places in the frets.  Recrowning  them is fairly easy and I'm not worried about that, but what I dislike the most out of this guitar sustaining a note.  The flat places have so much touching the string I can hear a buzz depending on how hard I hit, or what really makes me made is it sounds as though its out of tune like the intonation is off.  But its not!  The flats are worse on some frets and it causes the intonation nightmares.  Honestly it forces me to add a vibrato to the sound because the note will kind of be pitchy anyway. 
The reason for the refret is more to go to a thinner wire and also a Stainless Steel wire so I won't have to worry about the frets for a really long time.  My other Strat has frets that were glued in place by a previous owner, you can still see the super glue.  That guitar has the best tone out of about a 10 Strats I've had over the last 13 years.  It smokes them all, but I hate the neck shape, and the frets are almost as bad on that guitar as they are on my main strat.  The difference being they are thinner but taller.
The idea of buying my own equipment is I've learned to setup guitars, I've done wiring, I've done about anything you can think of as far as tinkering with guitars is concerned.  This is the next step for me as far as tinkering to make it better for me is concerned.  Who knows pickups winding next?

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Having been the owner of a few "fretless wonder" Les Paul's the mid to late 70's  LP customs had super wide, super flat frets. You couldn't even dress or crown the things. As long as they didn't buzz, or fret out, or mess with the intonation too much, it was best to just leave them as-is... hmm  I tended to do more slides than bends on those guitars.

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If you can swing it, Joe Glaser does amazing work on guitars.

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I played the guitar tonight at band practice and without a doubt its the best guitar I've got right now.  It's frets are fine.  I'm going to look into have a local guy crown them, but I'm thinking I'm building this issue up in my head as something a lot worse then it really is.