Re: Recycled Music: When is it time to salvage your reputation?

My sister and I have made it a sentimental journey to see those we missed in our youth.  We have not been disappointed once.  It was absolutely a thrill beyond thrills to see Crosby,Stills, Nash & Young together....I can't even begin to tell you what a rush it was! To be transported back in time and to feel like you felt back in the day.  The roar of the sold-out arena crowd was beyond belief!  When it comes to seeing the groups of my generation, I'll be the first to admit I am not a music critic, I am a music lover and sentimentalist at heart.  I was always a HUGE Beatle fan as a kid & still...never dreamt in a million years that I would get to see one and there I was at Paul McCartney's feet and able to give him a bouquet of flowers.....talk about close to fainting lol  Would I ever have dreamt in a million years that I would have gotten to talk to and give flowers to Rod Stewart or John Fogerty?  No, but I did and I didn't have to pay any extra money to do it.  I am a pretty basic person and I operate a lot under the philosophy that the worst they can say or not say is no. They are just people like the rest of us and who doesn't like to get love from other people? I can even embarrass myself with them.  I went to see Stephen Stills in concert by himself....much too many people saying he's washed up, fat, etc........it was one of the best ever......no one else makes a  Stills guitar sound and his voice like Stills himself.....afterwards he stayed out on stage so fans could come down and meet him......I was telling him how much I enjoyed the show and his music over the years while shaking his hand....he was very kind and had to tell me politely that he needed his hand back....I had forgotten to let go of his hand after shaking it  lol   I have seen many bands playing the free stage at the Iowa State Fair over the years.  And talking with them afterwards it is just a big of a thrill for them to still hear the applause as it is for the fans who come to see them.  Meeting and hearing John McKay and Steppenwolf singing Born To Be Wild and Magic Carpet Ride....OMG.....my whole point is that everyone has a choice whether they want to go see someone, so if the "old groups" still want to get out there and do it, then more power to them!  I think it's fantastic that younger bands open for these guys! The world would be a much better place with a lot more love & fun than criticism, especially when it comes to the "non-serious" aspects of life.  Just my 2 cents and Rhonda (photogal) has promised me that she will push my wheelchair into Joe shows in the future...... lol 

                                     If I was a fan once, I will be a fan forever........

                                                                       pattyluvsjoe  wink

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Re: Recycled Music: When is it time to salvage your reputation?

mbcl wrote:

Sorry to bang on but its still makes no sense. We are currently out with Wilko and sold more tshirts to young ladies than we ever have. We seeing far more young folks coming out with their mums and dads.
As for limitations, there are none at all. The audience is the audience and they will differ from artists to artist. If you can figure out a way of getting a room full of youngsters to see this genre, please we are all ears (playing schools and such aside). Which artists should we be touring with (that are not going charge ridiculous fees for supports).

Greenose wrote:

Martin, I don't claim to have all the answers, and I certainly don't have time for management, but I do my part. The veteran circuit has it's benefits (more disposable cash etc) but also its limitations too.

Glad the tour's going well Martin, I've had good reports, and yes Wilko seems to be a cult figure with a greater profile since Oil City Confidential. I've not mentioned him in this thread (as someone who needs to salvage his reputation).

Yet its also true to say that the music industry in the UK is obsessed with image and categorisation and I do wonder if a lot of great young acts in the genre are pigeonholing themselves to the blues or vintage rock scene in a way that makes it hard to break out. It does seem to me that the few blues styled acts that do appear to have a younger following are the ones that have distanced themselves from those scenes. In my view, the best acts to be touring with are the overseas ones who are less subject to this categorisation, and usually tend to get a broader mix of audience due to general intrigue. The Tracer tour looked a good one! By contrast Wishbone Ash on Friday (which was coincidentally a very good show) there were maybe about 10-15 guys younger than me (with dads) and the limited number of females there matched the male average age. Trust me, young ladies catch my eye too!! smile

Back on subject, I was talking to a festival organiser about a one older performer who has suffered ill health over a few years. The guy inquired about playing at his event, but the sad thing was the length of time it took him to do so, indicated he was not really able to perform. I'll not mention his name, but it's sad when acts do want to keep going when they are no longer physically up for it.  Sadly I guess most of it comes down to finance.

"The recently formed Edinburgh Blues Club has identified an appetite for the personal communication between musicians and audience that the blues long ago perfected." The Herald Newspaper (Scotland)
http://www.edinburgh-blues.uk

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I just heard AC/DC announced another tour of Oz next year?!?

I remember an interview with Malcolm saying that "the money's there, but we just want to make music"...

When I was in high school in the early 80's, EVERYBODY had a cassette of 'Back In Black'.  I'll go to hear them again purely for the nostalgia value.

They're all a few years on either side of 60, but gee Angus still acts like a pre pubescent teenager on stage, and he can still play that SG... cool

JBLP Gold Top #129 - redubbed "#1 in Oz"

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hulldanfan wrote:
mbcl wrote:

Although I would pay serious money to see Pink Floyd.

No need to wonder about Floyd - Have you been to see the Roger Waters 'DSOTM' or 'Wall' shows ?

The Wall show in particular is spectacular - I was speaking to one of the tekkies in Birmingham last year and he said the light show alone cost £20 million to develop.

Goto 6:20 in this clip to see the most amazing visual display I've ever seen on stage in Comfortably Numb.  You many not want to listen to the whole solo, because Gilmour made a guest appearance and absolutely butchered it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUYzQaCCt2o

Waters solo band is just so good and Dave Kilminster is just one of the best players I have ever seen.

The 2007 DSOTM tour was musically the best non-blues concert Ive ever been to, and after the 2000 tour with Doyle Bramhall II I'll never miss Gilmour.

Unfortunately Roger's touring days doing his own music may be over. I expect a lot of walk-ons and guest appearances might be it. I would have a debate with myself whether to go to The Wall a 7th time smile

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holdemxpert wrote:
hulldanfan wrote:
mbcl wrote:

Although I would pay serious money to see Pink Floyd.

No need to wonder about Floyd - Have you been to see the Roger Waters 'DSOTM' or 'Wall' shows ?

The Wall show in particular is spectacular - I was speaking to one of the tekkies in Birmingham last year and he said the light show alone cost £20 million to develop.

Goto 6:20 in this clip to see the most amazing visual display I've ever seen on stage in Comfortably Numb.  You many not want to listen to the whole solo, because Gilmour made a guest appearance and absolutely butchered it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUYzQaCCt2o

Waters solo band is just so good and Dave Kilminster is just one of the best players I have ever seen.

The 2007 DSOTM tour was musically the best non-blues concert Ive ever been to, and after the 2000 tour with Doyle Bramhall II I'll never miss Gilmour.

Unfortunately Roger's touring days doing his own music may be over. I expect a lot of walk-ons and guest appearances might be it. I would have a debate with myself whether to go to The Wall a 7th time smile

Wow - 6 times - You must like it a little !!!

What are your thoughts on Waters miming those shows - Did it bother you?

For me, it took the edge off,especially on the DSOTM tour.  Saw the show in Manchester and when he played Fletcher Memorial Home,  his vocals started whilst he was still stood-up and talking to the Keyboard player. 

I knew he was using 'electronic vocal enhancements', but wasnt expecting outright miming.  By the time I had seen it a couple of times and then saw the Wall show, I had pretty well accepted it though.

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Devan wrote:

I just heard AC/DC announced another tour of Oz next year?!?

I remember an interview with Malcolm saying that "the money's there, but we just want to make music"...

When I was in high school in the early 80's, EVERYBODY had a cassette of 'Back In Black'.  I'll go to hear them again purely for the nostalgia value.

They're all a few years on either side of 60, but gee Angus still acts like a pre pubescent teenager on stage, and he can still play that SG... cool

Yip, tour and album next year for their 40th anniversary.

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i'm ok with the older acts still touring......it's up to us as fans to either go or not....in other words, if the old artists truly sucks and is terrible then i wont go see them......with the internet you can have a real good idea of how well they are doing prior to spending your own money on them.

and in some cases i think the older acts sound as good or better than they ever have....not very often but in some cases they do.

but as long as i'm enjoying the product they are providing me then i dont care how old they are and I'm glad they are still out doing what they do.

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mbcl wrote:

Sorry to bang on but its still makes no sense. We are currently out with Wilko and sold more tshirts to young ladies than we ever have. We seeing far more young folks coming out with their mums and dads.
As for limitations, there are none at all. The audience is the audience and they will differ from artists to artist. If you can figure out a way of getting a room full of youngsters to see this genre, please we are all ears (playing schools and such aside). Which artists should we be touring with (that are not going charge ridiculous fees for supports).

Greenose wrote:

Martin, I don't claim to have all the answers, and I certainly don't have time for management, but I do my part. The veteran circuit has it's benefits (more disposable cash etc) but also its limitations too.

I found this a very interesting post by someone who does know something about the subject.  Wilco doesn't fall into the category of a recycling band (they're still making viable music), nor are they a blues band.  They bring a whole new crowd to listen to VATA and that's every band's goal.

Reading Patty's statement that she's a music lover and not a critic is the reason these bands of her generation still have a gig.  There's certainly nothing wrong with that as long as these artists understand the law of diminishing returns and don't price gouge their loyal following.  I'd pay $250 to see ZZ Top circa 1975, but give me a break for the 2012 version just parodying themselves.  To be honest, I'd rather see the house band at a local club playing the same songs if I just wanted a taste of nostalgia.

Even as a boy I've always been particular about the bands I wanted to see or listen to.  Passed on seeing the Beatles cause I didn't want to hear them at a football stadium (D.C. Stadium, not RFK George), skipped Jimi Hendrix and The Cream cause they played drug music (although I did see Hendrix two months before he died).  My four favorite bands of the 70's, The Who, Led Zeppelin, Lynyrd Skynyrd and The Rolling Stones all pretty much lost my interest after tragic events or line-up changes.  After Keith Moon, John Bonham and Ronnie Van Zant passed away I never bought another album from their respective bands.  In the case of the Stones it was bad enough when Brian Jones died, but when Mick Taylor left that was it.

I drifted a bit in the ensuing decades getting married and raising a child.  It was about ten years ago when I came to the realization that the only music I was listening to was greatest hits albums from my youth.  I made a decision then to stop living in the past and to search for new artists that captured my fancy.  That's why I'm constantly trying to introduce new music here.  I don't pretend to hold myself above people that don't share my interest in the now and I admit I still occasionally listen to the old bands.  In other words I'm just speaking for myself on this subject.

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Curby - VATA are supporting Wilko Johnson ex Dr. Feelgood, not the group Wilco.

28 (edited by airportdon 2012-10-22 09:48:13)

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Saw Bachman/Turner the other day on a music cable channel.......without the "Overdrive in their title"... they really rocked out...
I was a big B.T.O. fan in the 70's....I think they nailed their songs.....
Randy Bachman can still play/sing like it was the 70's...and Fred Turner did the same on his Bass/vocals......It was an Impressive performance..

P/S Randy was playing a Reissue Les Paul....I remember he was a Fender Strat guy or not ?

And so castles made of sand melts into the sea, eventually.........

29 (edited by Curby 2012-10-22 09:52:26)

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Kenny wrote:

Curby - VATA are supporting Wilko Johnson ex Dr. Feelgood, not the group Wilco.

Damn!  Geez what a brain fart.  Martin please excuse my early senility.