Re: BCC/ Joe B/Musicradar Interview

Well, first off I think the statement by Joe is very good. Nothing to regret about it in any way.

He's felt 'under the gun' by Glenns comments since the summer and needed to set the record straight. Glenns tactic has been all wrong on this, but maybe it has been 'lead singer syndrome'.

Some of the posters here have their own personal dislike of Glenns vocals, but frankly, within the concept of this band, which is totally different to Joe's day job, they were/are perfectly in order. Thankfully, he even toned them down for BCC! So those people with a dislike of that were never going to 'get' BCC, and that is perfectly fine.

I'm one of those from the other camp, and find it has been some of Joe's best work. I think they were/are a great band. Speaking purely personally it wasn't necessary for me for BCC to tour anyway. I just love the recorded work and its dynamic. However, from a business aspect, I don't think the band could afford to create the albums endlessly without touring them....or could they? I don't know what the business model was intended to be for BCC.

In this day and age, artists earn their real money from performing, don't they? or have I got it wrong? OK, they did the albums real quick and maybe that saved some cash, but these 4 guys and Kevin Shirley don't do it for nothing do they?

I'm going to enjoy 'Afterglow', as I would have enjoyed its successor. The first 2 albums remain on constant play on my systems as will the latest offering. Touring? I would have supported it, but I don't need to see them, but I would have expected that they, the band, would need to do it to continue paying for the studio time and production costs.

In an earlier interview Joe gave the green light for another guitarist to be used for extended live touring and I for one thought this would be a logical solution to the problem. Strangely though, part of Glenn's tactic was to refuse this possibility. I would have supported the tour with my gate money to see the band minus Joe, in the hope that the maintained interest would continue to see him playing, recording and writing with the band when his own personal committments allowed.

I think respective managements could have and maybe should have nipped this in the bud. Jason's frustrations hint at a failure to reassure and definitively state what this 'project' was so that the band members knew exactly where they stood. But thats easy to say from where I am sat.

Still, it is now, what it is. I'll treasure the music already made. Joe is a class act and I think he has behaved very honourably throughout the saga, only now coming out to set the record straight and doing so in his typically frank and honest way. I'll genuinely be surprised if Glenn allows the potential of BCC to pass but you never know. Maybe even he really knows that it was Joe's star that gave this project the 'twinkle' it needed and without him it won't work. He has said as much.

I'm for the music at the end of the day. I loved 1, adore 2 and if an afterglow is all I am left with then I'll bask in it whatever.

No Hits, No Hype.......................Classic Rock Jan 2012

Re: BCC/ Joe B/Musicradar Interview

Your points are well stated, hansamike, and I believe you're correct - the real income is derived from the performances (which also helps to drive album sales).

While I prefer Joe's solo work, his work with BCC (and Beth Hart, John Hiatt, Leslie West, etc.) is indeed always exemplary!

Re: BCC/ Joe B/Musicradar Interview

Interesting article. I think it was always going to come to this as frankly Glenn needed Joe more than Joe needed Glenn. Glenn's last UK tour before BCC was former were in the same size venues that Joe was playing on the You & Me and Sloe Gin tours. His last solo tour was in bigger venues, showing his profile has increased, but still small by comparison to Joe. If this means Joe has more time to tour under his own name, and record with Beth Hart and all others, then I'll not be disappointed.

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Leave the albums. Can someone just go back and redo the whole LOE dvd please...it is the worst edited music dvd I have ever seen. I can only listen to the music in the car or on a stereo. I was so looking forward to the bluray...but it is dreadful.
Awful MTV director let out there!

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Instead of support for Joe we have to once again insult Glenn?  Disappointing.

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dknight16 wrote:

Instead of support for Joe we have to once again insult Glenn?  Disappointing.

It is disappointing. There is always more to these things than we know. This is a great band and I don't think that Joe ever thought that this thing would be as good as it is. Glenn is frustrated and the other members are as well, but he is the one who put it out there. These opportunities don't come around but once is a lifetime. They really don't. Joe! Glenn! Please get in a room or get on the phone and work something out. There is absolutely no reason on earth why you guys can't figure out a way to to do at least some shows here and there. It may just explode and I'd not be surprised at all if it did. The solo thing will not suffer for any of the members by taking a month or three to do this thing. In fact they may come back with renewed creativity.

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Forever Young wrote:
dknight16 wrote:

Instead of support for Joe we have to once again insult Glenn?  Disappointing.

It is disappointing. There is always more to these things than we know. This is a great band and I don't think that Joe ever thought that this thing would be as good as it is. Glenn is frustrated and the other members are as well, but he is the one who put it out there. These opportunities don't come around but once is a lifetime. They really don't. Joe! Glenn! Please get in a room or get on the phone and work something out. There is absolutely no reason on earth why you guys can't figure out a way to to do at least some shows here and there. It may just explode and I'd not be surprised at all if it did. The solo thing will not suffer for any of the members by taking a month or three to do this thing. In fact they may come back with renewed creativity.

I wit ya on that!

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hansamike wrote:

Well, first off I think the statement by Joe is very good. Nothing to regret about it in any way.

He's felt 'under the gun' by Glenns comments since the summer and needed to set the record straight. Glenns tactic has been all wrong on this, but maybe it has been 'lead singer syndrome'.
Some of the posters here have their own personal dislike of Glenns vocals, but frankly, within the concept of this band, which is totally different to Joe's day job, they were/are perfectly in order. Thankfully, he even toned them down for BCC! So those people with a dislike of that were never going to 'get' BCC, and that is perfectly fine.

I'm one of those from the other camp, and find it has been some of Joe's best work. I think they were/are a great band. Speaking purely personally it wasn't necessary for me for BCC to tour anyway. I just love the recorded work and its dynamic. However, from a business aspect, I don't think the band could afford to create the albums endlessly without touring them....or could they? I don't know what the business model was intended to be for BCC.

In this day and age, artists earn their real money from performing, don't they? or have I got it wrong? OK, they did the albums real quick and maybe that saved some cash, but these 4 guys and Kevin Shirley don't do it for nothing do they?

I'm going to enjoy 'Afterglow', as I would have enjoyed its successor. The first 2 albums remain on constant play on my systems as will the latest offering. Touring? I would have supported it, but I don't need to see them, but I would have expected that they, the band, would need to do it to continue paying for the studio time and production costs.

In an earlier interview Joe gave the green light for another guitarist to be used for extended live touring and I for one thought this would be a logical solution to the problem. Strangely though, part of Glenn's tactic was to refuse this possibility. I would have supported the tour with my gate money to see the band minus Joe, in the hope that the maintained interest would continue to see him playing, recording and writing with the band when his own personal committments allowed.

I think respective managements could have and maybe should have nipped this in the bud. Jason's frustrations hint at a failure to reassure and definitively state what this 'project' was so that the band members knew exactly where they stood. But thats easy to say from where I am sat.

Still, it is now, what it is. I'll treasure the music already made. Joe is a class act and I think he has behaved very honourably throughout the saga, only now coming out to set the record straight and doing so in his typically frank and honest way. I'll genuinely be surprised if Glenn allows the potential of BCC to pass but you never know. Maybe even he really knows that it was Joe's star that gave this project the 'twinkle' it needed and without him it won't work. He has said as much.

I'm for the music at the end of the day. I loved 1, adore 2 and if an afterglow is all I am left with then I'll bask in it whatever.

I second everything you said HMike.

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Your hard sweet and sticky

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Greenose wrote:

Interesting article. I think it was always going to come to this as frankly Glenn needed Joe more than Joe needed Glenn. Glenn's last UK tour before BCC was former were in the same size venues that Joe was playing on the You & Me and Sloe Gin tours. His last solo tour was in bigger venues, showing his profile has increased, but still small by comparison to Joe. If this means Joe has more time to tour under his own name, and record with Beth Hart and all others, then I'll not be disappointed.

This was a band.  In HSAS, Damn Yankees, and The Firm it wasn't about who needed who. 
HSAS was the shortest band sad

I love all the players in BCC.  I think they are all awesome. Jason, Derek, Joe and Glenn.  They Rock as a Band  It's amazing Glenn is 61 and still rocking it Out BIG TIME like he is.  Damn, I just have a hard time climbing stairs. The others are in their prime.   Glenn has a phenomenal range, that hardly anyone can touch. Glenn can bend a note like hardly any singers can. And Glenn can transition to different forms of music like nobody's business.
And that's not even talking about his bass playing and song writing skills.


It's amazing to be that age and still able to not lose that type of range and power and sound almost the same as when he was 20.  Most people by that age have damage to their vocal chords or lose some ability that they once had.  He just gets stronger, and it is even more phenomenal because he is a Power singer. That is one reason why Metal singers have the hardest time.  Because they have to go full throttle every night on tour.  That is one of the reasons why Robert Plant can't sing the same way today.  Because he gave it everything he had when he was in Led Zeppelin.  He pushed his vocal chords to the limit and beyond.  So we should admire these singers that get older who have a tremendous range and power and can still sing somewhat like they did when they were young. I admire Plant too because he gave it his all and took the damage that comes with it.  And now he tries to fit his vocals in other ways.

I have posted different clips on this forum with Glenn doing phenomenal work and not 30 years ago, but recently. With Tony Iommi, Chad Smith, Dave Navarro, Billy Sheehan, Joe Lynn Turner, Steve Lukather, Stuart Smith, etc. 

All the musicians in BCC are of such a high caliber, that most musicians would drool to work with any of them.

I don't worry about Glenn's career. With whom I posted he played with, and he just played with Andy Fraser(Both Joe and Glenn admire Andy, TY both from a Free fan) I just ask for more.

I've been hanging with Glenn since Trapeze. And all he has done is put out some fantastic, brilliant music.

Glenn's made a stellar resume, and like Joe, will just add more to the list. 

Glad BCC came to Fruition cause this is a great band. Lot's of great music for people to enjoy.  I hope it is very successful for all the band members.  I hope I do hear a track on the radio. That would be great to get it out on the airwaves.  I know I am going to blast it where ever I can big_smile

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The RiverCat^-^ wrote:
Greenose wrote:

Interesting article. I think it was always going to come to this as frankly Glenn needed Joe more than Joe needed Glenn. Glenn's last UK tour before BCC was former were in the same size venues that Joe was playing on the You & Me and Sloe Gin tours. His last solo tour was in bigger venues, showing his profile has increased, but still small by comparison to Joe. If this means Joe has more time to tour under his own name, and record with Beth Hart and all others, then I'll not be disappointed.

This was a band.  In HSAS, Damn Yankees, and The Firm it wasn't about who needed who. 

I love all the players in BCC.  I think they are all awesome. Jason, Derek, Joe and Glenn.  They Rock as a Band  For goodness sake, Glenn is 62 and still rocking it Out Big Time. The others are in their prime.   Glenn has a phenomenal range, that hardly anyone can touch. Glenn can bend a note like hardly any singers can. And Glenn can transition to different forms of music like nobody's business.
And that's not even talking about his bass playing and song writing skills.


It's amazing to be that age and still able to not lose that type of range and power and sound almost the same as when he was 20.  Most people by that age have damage to their vocal chords or lose some ability that they once had.  He just gets stronger, and it is even more phenomenal because he is a Power singer. That is one reason why Metal singers have the hardest time.  Because they have to go full throttle every night on tour.  That is one of the reasons why Robert Plant can't sing the same way today.  Because he gave it everything he had when he was in Led Zeppelin.  He pushed his vocal chords to the limit and beyond.  So we should admire these singers that get older who have a tremendous range and power and can still sing somewhat like they did when they were young. I admire Plant too because he gave it his all and took the damage that comes with it.  And now he tries to fit his vocals in other ways.

I have posted different clips on this forum with Glenn doing phenomenal work and not 30 years ago, but recently. With Tony Iommi, Chad Smith, Dave Navarro, Billy Sheehan, Joe Lynn Turner, Steve Lukather, Stuart Smith, etc. 

All the musicians in BCC are of such a high caliber, that most musicians would drool to work with any of them.

I don't worry about Glenn's career. With whom I posted he played with, and he just played with Andy Fraser(Both Joe and Glenn admire Andy) I just ask for more.

I've been hanging with Glenn since Trapeze. And all he has done is put out some fantastic, brilliant music.

Glenn's made a stellar resume, and like Joe, will just add more to the list. 

Glad BCC came to Fruition cause this is a great band. Lot's of great music for people to enjoy.  I hope it is very successful for all the band members.  I hope I do hear a track on the radio. That would be great to get it out on the airwaves.

Yes I too appreciate Glenn now more than back in the DP days.How cool would it be to hear BCC or Joe on mainstream radio!

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gary wrote:

Yes I too appreciate Glenn now more than back in the DP days.How cool would it be to hear BCC or Joe on mainstream radio!

That would be the Coolest cool  I think it would fit write in with today's music.  I will try both the classic rock station and the new rock station again.   

Unfortunately here, they have their music already programmed and don't want to here something not by their Program Director.  But on the new rock station, they have a Like/Dislike you can text for each song they play. 

What about in Chicago, Gary?  Do you hear it on your radio stations?

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I really think the solution is this... It is my opinion that there is no hard feelings either way..  Glenn is a legend.. He has been playing and singing at a high level since my parents where in junior high..  Lets give it all a break... What is done is done but the fact still remains that I consider him a friend  and will always do..  He is a master musician and so are the rest of the guys in BCC sans yours truly.. 

Lets move on... Enjoy the record.. I am positive this will all work out for the best..
Joe B

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Joe Bonamassa wrote:

I really think the solution is this... It is my opinion that there is no hard feelings either way..  Glenn is a legend.. He has been playing and singing at a high level since my parents where in junior high..  Lets give it all a break... What is done is done but the fact still remains that I consider him a friend  and will always do..  He is a master musician and so are the rest of the guys in BCC sans yours truly.. 

Lets move on... Enjoy the record.. I am positive this will all work out for the best..
Joe B

Great positive outlook Joe, you're the consumate professional and most importantly you're a great person with the best intentions...

Look forward to the album mate!

Re: BCC/ Joe B/Musicradar Interview

No insult to Glenn in what I wrote. I agree with all the positive comments about his singing and I've met him before at a show in the mid 1990s where he was playing to a crowd of 150 and he was really nice to me. The facts do show though that he didn't have the same crowd before BCC and without them, he may not do so again. He does have a loyal following though and he'll always be a fantastic performer. I wish him, and all the component parts of BCC all the best, wherever they do from here.

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IMO the most important element in this thread is Joe stating that he considers Glenn his friend and that he will always be.

Maybe I'm just a bit tender to this point, as yesterday I attended a memorial for an old friend who passed away a couple of weeks ago.  Through the years we had some of the best times and a few times that were not so smooth.  Of course our arguments were not played out in public for the world to have an opinion on.  So the only pressure was among us two and maybe a few of our friends who didn't enjoy us being at odds with each other.  Thankfully, these rougher times ended up making our friendship stronger than before and even brought a better understanding of each other.

It is one thing to admire and appreciate someone's talent or things they may do. But, to share a friendship with someone is something truly special.

In a few short days I will be cranking up some AFTERGLOW and keeping positive thoughts for the friendships to remain strong.

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Chuck Johnson wrote:

IMO the most important element in this thread is Joe stating that he considers Glenn his friend and that he will always be.

Maybe I'm just a bit tender to this point, as yesterday I attended a memorial for an old friend who passed away a couple of weeks ago.  Through the years we had some of the best times and a few times that were not so smooth.  Of course our arguments were not played out in public for the world to have an opinion on.  So the only pressure was among us two and maybe a few of our friends who didn't enjoy us being at odds with each other.  Thankfully, these rougher times ended up making our friendship stronger than before and even brought a better understanding of each other.

It is one thing to admire and appreciate someone's talent or things they may do. But, to share a friendship with someone is something truly special.

In a few short days I will be cranking up some AFTERGLOW and keeping positive thoughts for the friendships to remain strong.

Great post! Your message is so on point. When someone passes it makes you realize that all of this stuff means nothing. Recently a very dear friend died suddenly. He was the bass player in my band over 30 years ago. He was one of the most talented artists I've ever seen. His bass playing alone was astounding! But he was tough to deal with to say the least. Funny as hell, good heart, but simply unreliable with addiction problems etc. We planned to do a 30th anniversary show with a handful of new songs. He was off the hook excited about it and had some great ideas song wise. He was going to spend a week at my house to work it all out and he called me the night before telling me how he couldn't wait to get started. I got a call the next afternoon that he was found dead outside his house. Sorry for the long story but the point is that all the nonsense that this guy generated means nothing now and I'd give anything to have him around, BS and all. He has more friends and was more loved than he'll ever know.

Of course every situation is its own. But whatever the circumstances, I do hope that Joe and Glenn can talk this out and truly feel good about things again. As to the band, well I'm not alone in hoping that we haven't seen the last of them. They really are special and more and more people are discovering just how special they are.
That said, I agree with Joe on letting it go for now and seeing how it all plays out.

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Lee wrote:

I don't like soap operas - real or made for TV - so I couldn't care less.

I'm not paying attention, Lee. roll Couldn't care less about what? neutral Something bugging you? Are mosquitoes still living out of season up there or what?! yikes tongue big_smile

If we start talking about something regarding Joe and Beth Hart in this thread, will that be equivalent to being, say, claim jumpers back in the Californee Gold Rush Daze?! lol


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Re: BCC/ Joe B/Musicradar Interview

I think Joe's trying to tell us this dead horse has been beat enough..........

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