937 Reply by ahsmith33 (edited by ahsmith33 2012-09-25 12:03:46)

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Stu, I was the only one here that picked Seattle this week, and a win is a win is a win regardless of how it happened. But the reasoning you give is totally faulty because the regular refs would have had nothing to do with those statistics either. I have watched NFL football since about 1960 and have seen some simultaneous possessions through the years, but this was not one and should have been corrected on review. I think the officials had to make that call on the field, which they couldn't see, but managed to overlook the obvious offensive pass interference. I truly believe a regular crew makes that interference call.

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I always wondered what it felt like to be a Steelers fan!

Stu-It really does not bother me as much as I get older.....it's just a game....and I'm not betting like a lot of folks do....:)

I'm still pretty excited about the game. Yes, the "simultaneous possession" call was very controversial, however...

The officials did not sack Aaron Rodgers 8 times in the first half.
The officials did not hold the Packers to 87 yards of total offense in the first half.
The officials did not hold the Packers to under 300 total yards for the game
(which was the first time in 18 straight games for Green Bay).
The officials did not hold the Packers to 3-and-out at the end of the game to get the ball back.
The officials did not prevent the Packers from making their 2-point conversion.
And the officials called 14 penalties against Seattle, 4 more than they called against Green Bay.

I'll take the win, thank you :-)

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938 Reply by Stu Craig (edited by Stu Craig 2012-09-25 13:12:16)

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I'm sure it's a tough pill to swallow for Packer fans, but the NFL league offices today have upheld the simultaneous possession call as correct. However, the missed offensive pass interference call should have ended the game before the controversial catch ever happened.


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Stu, I was the only one here that picked Seattle this week, and a win is a win is a win regardless of how it happened. But the reasoning you give is totally faulty because the regular refs would have had nothing to do with those statistics either. I have watched NFL football since about 1960 and have seen some simultaneous possessions through the years, but this was not one and should have been corrected on review. I think the officials had to make that call on the field, which they couldn't see, but managed to overlook the obvious offensive pass interference. I truly believe a regular crew makes that interference call.

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Stu-It really does not bother me as much as I get older.....it's just a game....and I'm not betting like a lot of folks do....:)

I'm still pretty excited about the game. Yes, the "simultaneous possession" call was very controversial, however...

The officials did not sack Aaron Rodgers 8 times in the first half.
The officials did not hold the Packers to 87 yards of total offense in the first half.
The officials did not hold the Packers to under 300 total yards for the game
(which was the first time in 18 straight games for Green Bay).
The officials did not hold the Packers to 3-and-out at the end of the game to get the ball back.
The officials did not prevent the Packers from making their 2-point conversion.
And the officials called 14 penalties against Seattle, 4 more than they called against Green Bay.

I'll take the win, thank you :-)

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Some will say it's just one game early in the season, but if Seattle edges out another team for the playoffs by one win it's a travesty. As it's been pointed out, the offensive pass interference should have ended the controversy before it started. Geez, the ref on the end zone sideline was looking right at it.

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Some will say it's just one game early in the season, but if Seattle edges out another team for the playoffs by one win it's a travesty. As it's been pointed out, the offensive pass interference should have ended the controversy before it started. Geez, the ref on the end zone sideline was looking right at it.

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Exactly. Absolutely shocking, really a disgrace...as was the pass interference call a few plays earlier. I watched the fourth quarter (without ads) on ESPN and it still seemed to take forever. Apparently, the judge who ruled it a TD only had high school level experience. roll

Maybe we do need the players to walk out.....or we're going to see more travesties like this one. There's a Thursday game, so we'll have to get our brilliant picks in by then. wink

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Stu Craig wrote:
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I always wondered what it felt like to be a Steelers fan!

Stu-It really does not bother me as much as I get older.....it's just a game....and I'm not betting like a lot of folks do....:)

I'm still pretty excited about the game. Yes, the "simultaneous possession" call was very controversial, however...

The officials did not sack Aaron Rodgers 8 times in the first half.
The officials did not hold the Packers to 87 yards of total offense in the first half.
The officials did not hold the Packers to under 300 total yards for the game
(which was the first time in 18 straight games for Green Bay).
The officials did not hold the Packers to 3-and-out at the end of the game to get the ball back.
The officials did not prevent the Packers from making their 2-point conversion.
And the officials called 14 penalties against Seattle, 4 more than they called against Green Bay.

I'll take the win, thank you :-)

Did not watch the game, Stu, but there you go!  Reference my referees post earlier and there you go...Could be lots of bad reffing, but I DID see this so-called contrversial TD-sorry kids, that is a no penalties for interference either team, bona-fide TOUCHDOWN SEATTLE!!!  All the way.  Not questionable.  Why did the one ref call a touchback while the other called touchdown?  Simple.  Even regular referees get together and, here's the key-ask "what did you see", or "what have you got"?  The one saw a toucback from his position.  That position was originally far away on the other side of the end zone, then he runs up to the players jostling, and, at that moment, sees a Packer seemingly having "possession" (inoprrectly, but it appears that way to him, he calls it that way, re: the rulebook clause some are referencing, which would give the Packers the ball as an interception, and the point he deemed it Packers ball, the Packer player's shoe went over the end line-a touchback, and he signals it as such.  The other official is on the scene, makes HIS determination, they both make their signals.  The hidden reason both make the signal, is for the benefit of the review booth!!!!!!!!! NOT the crowd or tv audience.  It was the end of the game, under 2 minutes review is mandatory, the game is close, they were only communicating what to look for.  Called a touchdown.  The pressure goes to up to the review booth.  No penalties.  Both "caught" the ball, tie goes to the offensive player.  Correct call, game over.  Congrats Stu!!! 


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Rocket wrote:
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Stu-It really does not bother me as much as I get older.....it's just a game....and I'm not betting like a lot of folks do....:)

I'm still pretty excited about the game. Yes, the "simultaneous possession" call was very controversial, however...

The officials did not sack Aaron Rodgers 8 times in the first half.
The officials did not hold the Packers to 87 yards of total offense in the first half.
The officials did not hold the Packers to under 300 total yards for the game
(which was the first time in 18 straight games for Green Bay).
The officials did not hold the Packers to 3-and-out at the end of the game to get the ball back.
The officials did not prevent the Packers from making their 2-point conversion.
And the officials called 14 penalties against Seattle, 4 more than they called against Green Bay.

I'll take the win, thank you :-)

Did not watch the game, Stu, but there you go!  Reference my referees post earlier and there you go...Could be lots of bad reffing, but I DID see this so-called contrversial TD-sorry kids, that is a no penalties for interference either team, bona-fide TOUCHDOWN SEATTLE!!!  All the way.  Not questionable.  Why did the one ref call a touchback while the other called touchdown?  Simple.  Even regular referees get together and, here's the key-ask "what did you see", or "what have you got"?  The one saw a toucback from his position.  That position was originally far away on the other side of the end zone, then he runs up to the players jostling, and, at that moment, sees a Packer seemingly having "possession" (inoprrectly, but it appears that way to him, he calls it that way, re: the rulebook clause some are referencing, which would give the Packers the ball as an interception, and the point he deemed it Packers ball, the Packer player's shoe went over the end line-a touchback, and he signals it as such.  The other official is on the scene, makes HIS determination, they both make their signals.  The hidden reason both make the signal, is for the benefit of the review booth!!!!!!!!! NOT the crowd or tv audience.  It was the end of the game, under 2 minutes review is mandatory, the game is close, they were only communicating what to look for.  Called a touchdown.  The pressure goes to up to the review booth.  No penalties.  Both "caught" the ball, tie goes to the offensive player.  Correct call, game over.  Congrats Stu!!! 


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I'm keeping away from this one. 

But Rocket, do you really believe this?  I can show you some Raiders footage this weekend.  Even though we won, there was blown call after blown call. 

If  they would have called pass interference on the play before in the drive, Darrius Heyward-Bey WOULD NOT have been trying for that catch.  Because we would have had that Pass interference called. Blown call.

So Heyward-Bey goes up, then gets a helmet to face-mask ILLEGAL hit.
In front of the Replacement Refs.  NO CALL! Heyward-Bey is carted off.  Luckily he was okay, but what if he wasn't? 

If these guys want to be Replacements, then they have to make the calls, otherwise get them off the field.

It's okay to cry in football if you get your freakin ear lobe cutoff. I showed you in the clip above what Mays did to Houston's QB.

We play Denver this weekend. Be sure we got our eye on him. Raiders can play with rules or without rules. 

Get the other refs back.

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Rocket wrote:
Stu Craig wrote:
airportdon wrote:

Stu-It really does not bother me as much as I get older.....it's just a game....and I'm not betting like a lot of folks do....:)

I'm still pretty excited about the game. Yes, the "simultaneous possession" call was very controversial, however...

The officials did not sack Aaron Rodgers 8 times in the first half.
The officials did not hold the Packers to 87 yards of total offense in the first half.
The officials did not hold the Packers to under 300 total yards for the game
(which was the first time in 18 straight games for Green Bay).
The officials did not hold the Packers to 3-and-out at the end of the game to get the ball back.
The officials did not prevent the Packers from making their 2-point conversion.
And the officials called 14 penalties against Seattle, 4 more than they called against Green Bay.

I'll take the win, thank you :-)

Did not watch the game, Stu, but there you go!  Reference my referees post earlier and there you go...Could be lots of bad reffing, but I DID see this so-called contrversial TD-sorry kids, that is a no penalties for interference either team, bona-fide TOUCHDOWN SEATTLE!!!  All the way.  Not questionable.  Why did the one ref call a touchback while the other called touchdown?  Simple.  Even regular referees get together and, here's the key-ask "what did you see", or "what have you got"?  The one saw a toucback from his position.  That position was originally far away on the other side of the end zone, then he runs up to the players jostling, and, at that moment, sees a Packer seemingly having "possession" (inoprrectly, but it appears that way to him, he calls it that way, re: the rulebook clause some are referencing, which would give the Packers the ball as an interception, and the point he deemed it Packers ball, the Packer player's shoe went over the end line-a touchback, and he signals it as such.  The other official is on the scene, makes HIS determination, they both make their signals.  The hidden reason both make the signal, is for the benefit of the review booth!!!!!!!!! NOT the crowd or tv audience.  It was the end of the game, under 2 minutes review is mandatory, the game is close, they were only communicating what to look for.  Called a touchdown.  The pressure goes to up to the review booth.  No penalties.  Both "caught" the ball, tie goes to the offensive player.  Correct call, game over.  Congrats Stu!!! 


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Apparently you didn't see Tate(Sea) push the Packer defender in the back and knock him to the ground with no time left on the clock, game over! BTW, what color was the sun today????

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Keep all the cutting utensils away from Roy mad .....this will pass Bubba, you have one great team, but I would not want to be watching tape with your O-line, 8 sacks in one half is mind boggling

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Stu Craig wrote:

I'm still pretty excited about the game. Yes, the "simultaneous possession" call was very controversial, however...

The officials did not sack Aaron Rodgers 8 times in the first half.
The officials did not hold the Packers to 87 yards of total offense in the first half.
The officials did not hold the Packers to under 300 total yards for the game
(which was the first time in 18 straight games for Green Bay).
The officials did not hold the Packers to 3-and-out at the end of the game to get the ball back.
The officials did not prevent the Packers from making their 2-point conversion.
And the officials called 14 penalties against Seattle, 4 more than they called against Green Bay.

I'll take the win, thank you :-)

Did not watch the game, Stu, but there you go!  Reference my referees post earlier and there you go...Could be lots of bad reffing, but I DID see this so-called contrversial TD-sorry kids, that is a no penalties for interference either team, bona-fide TOUCHDOWN SEATTLE!!!  All the way.  Not questionable.  Why did the one ref call a touchback while the other called touchdown?  Simple.  Even regular referees get together and, here's the key-ask "what did you see", or "what have you got"?  The one saw a toucback from his position.  That position was originally far away on the other side of the end zone, then he runs up to the players jostling, and, at that moment, sees a Packer seemingly having "possession" (inoprrectly, but it appears that way to him, he calls it that way, re: the rulebook clause some are referencing, which would give the Packers the ball as an interception, and the point he deemed it Packers ball, the Packer player's shoe went over the end line-a touchback, and he signals it as such.  The other official is on the scene, makes HIS determination, they both make their signals.  The hidden reason both make the signal, is for the benefit of the review booth!!!!!!!!! NOT the crowd or tv audience.  It was the end of the game, under 2 minutes review is mandatory, the game is close, they were only communicating what to look for.  Called a touchdown.  The pressure goes to up to the review booth.  No penalties.  Both "caught" the ball, tie goes to the offensive player.  Correct call, game over.  Congrats Stu!!! 


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I'm keeping away from this one. 

But Rocket, do you really believe this?  I can show you some Raiders footage this weekend.  Even though we won, there was blown call after blown call. 

If  they would have called pass interference on the play before in the drive, Darrius Heyward-Bey WOULD NOT have been trying for that catch.  Because we would have had that Pass interference called. Blown call.

So Heyward-Bey goes up, then gets a helmet to face-mask ILLEGAL hit.
In front of the Replacement Refs.  NO CALL! Heyward-Bey is carted off.  Luckily he was okay, but what if he wasn't? 

If these guys want to be Replacements, then they have to make the calls, otherwise get them off the field.

It's okay to cry in football if you get your freakin ear lobe cutoff. I showed you in the clip above what Mays did to Houston's QB.

We play Denver this weekend. Be sure we got our eye on him. Raiders can play with rules or without rules. 

Get the other refs back.

I'll respond before reading your above reply beyond "do I believe this"?  Yes to that question, add the word unfortunately, and further realize I know before reading your reply I will TOTALLY EMPHATHIZE!

History would be different... Oh yeah.  I hold a decades long grudge against certain regular refs in consecutive 49ers-Cowboys NFC (merger year 1 & 2) Championship games which refs (with real "home field" bias VERY obvious, WAAAYYY before instant replay being part of the rule book, which also makes a statement on the historical "reliability" of "regular" referees by the way, i.e., replay today is the FINAL arbiter, hence the NFL lords refusal to overturn the call on the field of touchdown,.......WHEW!) blew to the benefit of the "wrong team", the Dallas Cowboys.  2 trips to the early days, far less ridiculous of a spectacle, compared to the modern day Super Bowl.  Is it just a fan based emotional grudge?  You bet!!!  But history is not always "right" now, is it?!  Those 2 Super Bowl appearances, while recorded as a loss first, followed by a win, elevated the status of the Landry era Cowboys (the pinnacle of the franchise hands down) to their lofty respectability (and the root of the "hate the Cowboys" movement) and disciplined achievements to follow in coming years.  The 49ers since, with the 1980's Walsh era (their pinnacle and rise of the join the 49ers bandwagon) teams, got the respect and admiration overdue.

Now, the illegal hits, note no quotation marks...  My opinion is, come down hard on them!  Yes, if I had the say, there would be automatic suspensions, "accidental, incidental, totally preventable or outright malicious" (mere appearance of) or not.  Criminal charges can and should apply.  Fines should be astronomical, suspensions WITHOUT (and forfeited back from some "bonus" clause) pay.  Sure it could deleteriously affect a player's career span, but maybe it should? hmm wink  No league interference!!!  EDITED TO ADD HERE: No Player's or other Union interference either!!!  Players need to learn how to (apply an age old saying I know still isn't outdated) do what is reasonable, fair, and contractually non-negotiable-Shape Up OR Ship Out mad!!!  And quit using kid gloves on the NFL "integrity" and integrity of  "image".  Review the current image.  We shall end my diatribe(s) with that review of everything NFL at this point-universally agreed a one word critique-UGLY.



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Apparently you didn't see Tate(Sea) push the Packer defender in the back and knock him to the ground with no time left on the clock, game over! BTW, what color was the sun today????

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Shoot, look again.  Packers are pushing as well, pushing their own players.  One Seahawk spreading arms like he's hanging with Jesus seals the deal yikes lol !!!  That is no foul.  Look again, Packer knocked to ground by own player (after Seahawk push yes) and he looked like wanted to go down anyway, was heading that way on purpose (being at the bottom of the pile is great in these scenarios) or play acting, take your pick (he had a fair swipe at the ball to boot).  BOTH PLAYERS HANDS ON BALL AT SAME TIME, NEITHER WITH (FULL) POSSESSION until grounded, which point it is a touchdown because they both do have possession.  That part is irrefutable.  Indisputable, heck the feet down makes you need to look further...The pass interference(s)....well yes, that is certainly debatable, but not subject to challenge per the (clock game time) RULES!!!, ...but it could've gone either way.  This game ended correctly.  Not without controversy.  But correct.  YOUR team on the winning end-you know what position you would take.  Neither team is "my" team, but I have a history of cheering LOUDLY for them both in given situations...and I do NOT bet on football.



My final argument-Plenty of time to be in charge of your team destiny at this early point.  Coaches, earn your fricking pay.  Like the military, it all falls on you, regardless...



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I have to agree with Rocket. The call is in the eye of the beholder. The games go on, the coaches and players will adjust....or lose.
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I have to disagree with Rocket and Rick. I don't bet either, neither of the teams concerned are 'my' teams, I have no personal axe to grind, BUT what happened is just so totally wrong that it goes far beyond 'just shut up and get on with it' for me. What happened was completely out of order, and something needs to be done, some kind of action undertaken to bring this unacceptable situation to a head so that the NFL powers that be pull their fingers out and settle this wretched dispute.

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I have to disagree as well. What choice do they have but to go on and suck it up. Rush's Roll the Bones comes to mind. But after looking at the replay several more times last night, they got it wrong on the review. I used to think that simultaneous meant "at exactly the same time" but the NFL has changed that definition. It is very clear to me that Tate had a hold of his arm, not the ball, he lost his grip and came back with his right hand only trying to grab the ball as they were going to the ground. The defender had the ball securely to his chest the entire time. That is NOT simultaneous possession. In spite of the non interference call, the refs made the correct call on the field, which should have been overturned on review. We've beaten this dead horse to hell and back. smile

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Replay had the video ball in their joystick hands to judge...and said "not enough to overturn".  That means inconclusive.  What's to debate?  Oh yeah, the (other) bad (or just confusing interpretations of rule boundaries) call(s) and the terribly frustrating situation.  Well, I say THAT is all on the NFL and the Ref's Union.  This is how you negotiate?  One side (two actually, NFL & the Players-where's the call by THEIR union to the NFL to meet some other union's demands, not just "settle this immediately", although calling the NFL out for being cheap shows they tilt toward the refs side a bit passively but not remotely strong-worded?) saying heck with it, we need incomes and cash flows AT ALL COSTS, which includes the dirty cheap (dirt cheap? Ok coach, sandlot rules, don't worry, it is ON!), the other saying it's whatever the beefs of pay and what not else, but take it or we don't fit into schemes at all.


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I seem to be stuck on being correct on 6 out of 15 picks.  Hopefully this week is better.
(p.s.   Just heard on ESPN radio that the NFL and the Referee's are very close to an agreement and there's a slight chance that the regular ref's will be on the field this weekend...one can only hope)

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at least we don't have to pick with the betting line, but seems like I'm doing about the same either way.

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  • Registered: 2006-12-28
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Re: The NFL - National Football League

IT'S OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!....the refs and the NFL have struck a deal.....the game with the Packers and Seahawks brought them back to the table......now lets see who ends up screwed from this ordeal when the season dies down....ARE YOU READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!