Topic: Joe Bonamassa Fuzz Face hates buffers... How does Joe use it???

A few weeks ago my Joe Bonamassa Fuzz Face and Cry Baby arrived. Both are really great pedals and I love using them with my 5E3 tweed amp wink

Very soon I noticed that the FF absolutely hates buffers infront of it (very distorted and harsh sound). That means using both pedals together, when the Wah is BEFORE the Fuzz Face, is impossible. That´s  because the Cry Baby has an inbuilt buffer...
When I put my TS 808 or an other buffered pedal infront of the JB FF you can hear the same awful sound (even when the TS is switched OFF). BUT I saw on pictures of Joes pedalboard that he´s using his FF AFTER his TS... So is there a special trick behind it???

Sorry about my english,

Greetings from Germany wink

Re: Joe Bonamassa Fuzz Face hates buffers... How does Joe use it???

That's a good question. I don't have the FF so I have not run into that problem. Here's a link to one of his pedal boards that shows both the wah and the TS in front of the FF.
Maybe someone more technical can chime in.
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk88 … CN0256.jpg

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Re: Joe Bonamassa Fuzz Face hates buffers... How does Joe use it???

The JB FF never found a home in my pedal chain, so I got rid of it sad Love the JB wah though!

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Re: Joe Bonamassa Fuzz Face hates buffers... How does Joe use it???

Is that Joes board? It doesn't quite look right to me. Looks like a scaled down version maybe? Where's the Lehle switcher and Whirlwind ABY?
I'm pretty sure on his main board Joe's only running the fuzzface through the Catagory 5 Super Lead/Bass. Perhaps that's how he gets around the buffer issue?

SgtB wrote:

Here's a link to one of his pedal boards that shows both the wah and the TS in front of the FF.
Maybe someone more technical can chime in.
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk88 … CN0256.jpg

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Re: Joe Bonamassa Fuzz Face hates buffers... How does Joe use it???

There was a few pics like that that I saw. This looks like a condensed version of his normal board. I also thought that looking at pics from his bigger boards that the FF went to an amp on its own as well.

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Re: Joe Bonamassa Fuzz Face hates buffers... How does Joe use it???

I've seen that board before. He's using the Super Chorus to go in to 2 separate amps. One to each input.. Then the delay on the bottom is going to the loop of another amp. Even on his regular board with the giant rig of doom, the Wah and Tube Screamer come before the fuzz BUT they go in to the whirlind selector. Whirlwind's second output goes into the LEHLE BOX. The fuzz comes AFTER the Lehle box. (Lehle box has 3 outs, one going into the fuzz)

I don't know if maybe the Lehle or Whirlwind boxes have something to do with it or not but when he has the fuzz on, it IS giving him a lot of noise should he stop playing. Its soul purpose is for leads so the fuzz is not left on during any dead space in a song.

The amp with the fuzz by itself is not the smoothest sounding when its engaged but you don't hear all that because the Jubilee sound is mixed with it. Thus a smoother sound, half broken up and fuzzy, other half smooth. -Seth

Re: Joe Bonamassa Fuzz Face hates buffers... How does Joe use it???

Even on his regular board with the giant rig of doom, the Wah and Tube Screamer come before the fuzz BUT they go in to the whirlind selector. Whirlwind's second output goes into the LEHLE BOX. The fuzz comes AFTER the Lehle box. (Lehle box has 3 outs, one going into the fuzz)

I don't know if maybe the Lehle or Whirlwind boxes have something to do with it or not but when he has the fuzz on, it IS giving him a lot of noise should he stop playing. Its soul purpose is for leads so the fuzz is not left on during any dead space in a song.

I was thinking the same when I saw Joe's main pedalboard. Maybe the LEHLE or the Whirlwind puts the buffered signal back to "normal".

But when you look at Joe's BCC pedalboard, there isn't a LEHLE or a Whirlwind switcher. And, how you can see, the wah and the TS are definitely BEFORE the Fuzz Face. That's strange... wink

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4104/501 … f795_o.jpg

Re: Joe Bonamassa Fuzz Face hates buffers... How does Joe use it???

Guys, these old-related fuzzfaces are very temperamental with buffers before AND after it. So you can really test because there are buffers and buffers. Each one is each one and combines in a different way with these "old" pedals. I have a silicon fuzzface, a MXR Classic 108 fuzz. Despite it has a possibility to activate a buffer to correct this divergences on the input circuit, it remains unstable in its output. Nowadays I'm using only one buffered pedal after it (a DOD fx70 Flanger) and fortunatelly it changes just a bit the sound (became lightly more agressive). But others DOD pedals that I'd used (after the fuzzface) they killed the sounds (and tone...) of my pedal.
Probably this week arrives my new Bonamassa Wah. I will test how its buffer reacts on my fuzzface input. Luckily its buffer can set on or off.

Re: Joe Bonamassa Fuzz Face hates buffers... How does Joe use it???

Just got mine today(FF).  It is a tone sucker with other pedals.  Still need time to play with it.

Re: Joe Bonamassa Fuzz Face hates buffers... How does Joe use it???

I was under the impression that the JB Wah has an internal kill switch for the true bypass - search through the forum and you'll find Joe has already posted about how he uses it.  Dunno, but perhaps that has something to do with it?  I used the FF after a Vox wah and TS and the only way to get it sounding half decent was to place a buffer between the FF and the ABY splitter.  Now the JB FF is off my board because I don't really use it and I need to make space for other toys! (;

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Re: Joe Bonamassa Fuzz Face hates buffers... How does Joe use it???

Is it me or does it seem people are happier with the wah than the fuzz face? Honestly the fuzz sounds great to me but I could take it or leave it. The wah however does seem to have a nice throaty sound which makes it stand apart from a regular crybaby or standard vox wah.

Re: Joe Bonamassa Fuzz Face hates buffers... How does Joe use it???

I love the wah. It sounds great out of the box. It's very thick sounding. It sounds the way I've always tried to mod my other wahs to sound. Previous attempts were unsuccessful but the JB wah is staying on my board

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Re: Joe Bonamassa Fuzz Face hates buffers... How does Joe use it???

helrazr84 wrote:

Is it me or does it seem people are happier with the wah than the fuzz face? Honestly the fuzz sounds great to me but I could take it or leave it. The wah however does seem to have a nice throaty sound which makes it stand apart from a regular crybaby or standard vox wah.

Fuzz Face's I've found are really finicky to get perfect sounding. Whether it's going through a clean, dirty-ish or really cranked amp the fuzz will always react differently and can be perfect sounding one day and sound like crap the next. It could be the germanium transistors in the JB Fuzz Face that are temperature sensitive causing the most problems? Although Silicon transistor fuzz's are more consistent that hasn't stopped Eric Johnson trying out a million different Silicon FF's before a show. I still find myself messing around with my Classic 108 fuzz trying to get a completely perfect sound out of it (using different amp EQ, running different boost/overdrive's before and after it.

You might hear it often on TGP, when it comes to fuzz, it never ends haha! smile

Re: Joe Bonamassa Fuzz Face hates buffers... How does Joe use it???

I think the Joe Bonamassa Fuzz Face should be the first pedal in the chain. Put your guitar directely into the FF and all other pedals after it. In the first position it sounds KILLER !!!!! Very fat and smooth... great for solo wink

My setup: guitar > JB FF > JB Wah > Fulltone FB-3 > Lovepedal AMP 50 > TS 808 > Full-Drive 2 > AMP

How I said before the JB FF hates buffered pedals before it. So you have to be careful with boosts, ODs and Wah Wahs infront of it. That´s why I don't understand Joe's setup. It's impossible to use the JB FF after a buffered pedal like a TS.

Re: Joe Bonamassa Fuzz Face hates buffers... How does Joe use it???

Although there is technically no hard and fast rule about pedal order; I was always lead to believe that it went guitar, wah, fuzz, distortion, EQ, chorus, reverb/delay out.

but here is what David Gilmour's setup is

guitar
fuzz
wah wah
compressor
distortion
booster/ overdrive
eq
phaser/ flanger/ chorus/ uni-vibe
volume pedal
delay
- amp

Maybe just try a different order of effects

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